Xerox Laser Printers

[frank]

Been looking at color lasers, and now considering Xerox 6350.

Main use will be for flyers and special offer leaflets, letterheads and when
we use up all the continous stationary, to replace dot matrix for invoices.

Unlikely to be used for photographs, occasionally some printing will be
laminated, and will need to print onto sheets of labels.

Any comments on advantage or disadvantages with toner or solid wax, as many
of the items will be folded would wax be more likely to crack on the folds?

Is there much different in sharpness of printed text between toner and wax?

Expect to print flyers in runs of 500 to1000, so reasonable speed printer
required.

If we were to get the flyers litho printed on large runs, does a colour
laser printer give a reasonable copy for proofing before sending work away
for printing?

Comments or suggestions on other brands would be welcome.


Thanks

Frank

 

[kolorwell]

Typically, the sharpness printing quality of Xerox 6350 is enoug
because it offers 2400 dpi output printing quality with PostScrip
printing language.

Consider what kind paper you apply! Maybe, the toner can not b
melted-down completely with paper of folding crack due to coatin
material on the paper surface

Toner and wax have no connection with sharpness but increase pape
thickness is possible to decrease color saturation of printin
quality

 

[me]

Been looking at color lasers, and now considering Xerox 6350.

Main use will be for flyers and special offer leaflets, letterheads and when
we use up all the continous stationary, to replace dot matrix for invoices.

Unlikely to be used for photographs, occasionally some printing will be
laminated, and will need to print onto sheets of labels.

Any comments on advantage or disadvantages with toner or solid wax, as many
of the items will be folded would wax be more likely to crack on the folds?

I've printed somewhere between 55-60,000 pages in two years on a wax
model and haven't noticed this at all.

The wax isn't ideal for laminating as you need to get the temperature of
the laminator as low as possible otherwise the wax can melt and thus
blur the image.

I've never shoved a sheet of labels through a laser printer (nor an
inkjet for that matter), so I can't comment on that side.

Is there much different in sharpness of printed text between toner and wax? Not really.

Expect to print flyers in runs of 500 to1000, so reasonable speed printer
required.

Might be worth looking at the Kyocera FS-C5030N (26 ppm colour/black),
which will cost a bit more to start with but should make up for it in
running costs.

If we were to get the flyers litho printed on large runs, does a colour
laser printer give a reasonable copy for proofing before sending work away
for printing?

Should do, when I've wanted something like that I just email them a
decent res pdf of whatever it is.

 

[frank]

Typically, the sharpness printing quality of Xerox 6350 is enough
because it offers 2400 dpi output printing quality with PostScript
printing language.

Consider what kind paper you apply! Maybe, the toner can not be
melted-down completely with paper of folding crack due to coating
material on the paper surface.

Toner and wax have no connection with sharpness but increase paper
thickness is possible to decrease color saturation of printing
quality.

Thanks for your comments

Frank

 

[frank]

folds?

I've printed somewhere between 55-60,000 pages in two years on a wax
model and haven't noticed this at all.

The wax isn't ideal for laminating as you need to get the temperature of
the laminator as low as possible otherwise the wax can melt and thus
blur the image.

I've never shoved a sheet of labels through a laser printer (nor an
inkjet for that matter), so I can't comment on that side.
wax?
Not really.
Might be worth looking at the Kyocera FS-C5030N (26 ppm colour/black),
which will cost a bit more to start with but should make up for it in
running costs.

Should do, when I've wanted something like that I just email them a
decent res pdf of whatever it is.

Thanks Timothy,

Things are a little clearer now. Trying to understand difference between
toner and wax. Does one or other tend to look more embosed on the paper
surface, or do both methods come out the same?

Would wax be more glossy than toner?

Looking at buy printer between now and Christmas, don't want to rush in and
later find one type of printer will have been a better choice for one reason
or another.

Frank.

 

[Charles C.]

frank wrote:

Things are a little clearer now. Trying to understand difference between
toner and wax. Does one or other tend to look more embosed on the paper
surface, or do both methods come out the same?

Hi,

Solid ink is embossed and if you print in high quality setting (+ dense
paper) it is "very" embossed. Using an 840 I find that using expensive
paper it is easy to scratch the ink or crack it on folds. Not so though
on ordinary printing.

Would wax be more glossy than toner?

The whole sheet becomes more glossy and particularly where there is ink.

Looking at buy printer between now and Christmas, don't want to rush in and
later find one type of printer will have been a better choice for one reason
or another.

Ask xerox for samples, but you may or may not get them by Xmas.

Having said all this, I have not seen the output of Xerox toner based
printers.

If it helps you at all.
Charles

 

[me]

Things are a little clearer now. Trying to understand difference between
toner and wax. Does one or other tend to look more embosed on the paper
surface, or do both methods come out the same?

Would wax be more glossy than toner?

Looking at buy printer between now and Christmas, don't want to rush in and
later find one type of printer will have been a better choice for one reason
or another.

The wax tends to be glossier, with the Phaser 8200 (and probably the
other solid ink ones) they like to be left on all the time (there is a
standby mode) as they use some black ink charging up or cleaning or
something everytime you turn them on.

Some people like the glossier finish, some don't. If you get up close
to the wax print outs you can see the dithering as it makes up an image
(photo) but its only noticeable if you go looking for it, and isn't
noticeable in solid blocks of colour, as I guess you might get in the
fliers.

Have you got hold of some samples yet? Your local reseller should be
able to provide some.

 

[me]

Solid ink is embossed and if you print in high quality setting (+ dense
paper) it is "very" embossed. Using an 840 I find that using expensive
paper it is easy to scratch the ink or crack it on folds. Not so
though on ordinary printing.

An 840 or an 8400? IIRC they stopped making the 840 about 5 years ago.
This cracking business isn't something I've observed, the thickest stuff
I've shoved through the 8200 has been Datacopy 160 gsm glossy paper, so
twice the weight of normal copier paper. I've recently found that
Xerox's Colortech papers are available in a glossy finish and I've just
been churning out church calendars on the 135 gsm version.

 

[frank]

The wax tends to be glossier, with the Phaser 8200 (and probably the
other solid ink ones) they like to be left on all the time (there is a
standby mode) as they use some black ink charging up or cleaning or
something everytime you turn them on.

Some people like the glossier finish, some don't. If you get up close
to the wax print outs you can see the dithering as it makes up an image
(photo) but its only noticeable if you go looking for it, and isn't
noticeable in solid blocks of colour, as I guess you might get in the
fliers.

Have you got hold of some samples yet? Your local reseller should be
able to provide some.

Got a sample print yesterday. Full A4 page photo printed on Xerox Phaser
6350. This is a photo of a pile of tools. Very good quality. I will call
them today and see if they can send a printout of text, would like to see
small text and small photos such as a catalogue page.

I have shortlisted choice to the Phaser 6350, reasonable print speed, upto
35 ppm.
Estimated copy costs.

5% 1.78 pence
15% 4.94 pence
20% 6.51 pence
40% 12.83 pence
90% 28.61 pence

Have not looked into cost of compatable toner, as it will be a new machine
under waranty.

Thanks for your comments, much appreciated

Frank

 

[me]

Got a sample print yesterday. Full A4 page photo printed on Xerox Phaser
6350. This is a photo of a pile of tools. Very good quality. I will call
them today and see if they can send a printout of text, would like to see
small text and small photos such as a catalogue page.

Text really shouldn't be an issue. I can't remember whether it was with
the HPIIP I had or the IIIP I still have, but (I think) 14 years ago a
silly maths teacher at school gave us a challenge to fit as many
different things into a standard sized match box, and he said to us a
piece of paper with the letter A on it was different to a piece of paper
with the letter B on it, so two of us had the same idea and handed in a
match box with a few thousand tiny pieces of paper with numbers on them
in either 3 or 4 point. They were quite legible, however for months
later tiny pieces of paper were turning up in that classroom!

I somehow doubt he repeated the challenge the next year.