Xbox 360 is 'better' than PS3. it has more RAM memory

[Paul Heslop]

Ah yep, James Dean's car made pancakes.

or mincemeat

 

[MS#1Fanboy-JoJo]

LOL! Add FBI.gov and UFOHunters.org too! Hilarious

Don't forget Boyscout Troop Number 99 from Tualatin Valley Oregon. They are in
charge of Homeland Security and Newsgroup crossposting for the greater
northwest.

 

[Fred Liken]

Don't forget Boyscout Troop Number 99 from Tualatin Valley Oregon. They
are in
charge of Homeland Security and Newsgroup crossposting for the greater
northwest.

D'oh, how could I be so careless! Yes, them too! Thanks for the eyes, MAN!

 

[Dog Bowl]

Sure it does.

Nope, you are simply wrong. Are you sure you know what an OS is and are
not confusing it with APIs or hardware abstraction layer?

What OS did the Binatone video game system use? Or the Vextrex? Or even
the Atari VCS. Hell even the ZX Spectrum didn't have an operating
system, it just had a basic interpreter running from ROM.

There might be plenty of systems that do that, but the XBox and 360 aren't
one of them, sorry. The XBox ran a 2000 deriviative and the the 360
supposedly is running a XBox derivative.

http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3988467635.html


General Purpose OS, perhaps, but OS, no. There's no getting away from it on
the XBox or 360.


lol. Quite a funny quote, coming from you.

It's silly to say that a system as complex as the XBox(2) has no OS. Sure,
your iToaster might not have one, but that's a silly comment to make.
There's no comparison between your iToaster and the XBox(2).

Nope is doesn't *need* and OS. And yes there is a *big* difference
between an Apple Handbag and a game console. The handbag has to be more
general purpose catering for all sorts of applications and user input
devices. It also has to cater for multiple variants on the hardware such
as memory, graphics cards, keyboards, mice and the like. On top of that
the OS ( at least in a multi processing environment) has to cater for
multiple processes, resource sharing, allocation and signaling of
avaliablity back to processes. In the environment of a games console the
game is working on a fixed baseline for hardware or at least a known
limited selection of possibilities, possibly with a hardware abstraction
layer to hide this. There are *plenty* of consoles which don't run an
OS.

PS2 runs a proprietary Sony OS. That's no secret. The PS3 has an OS. Phil
Harrison talks about it here.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9051

"You showed demonstrations of the console running multiple applications
across the two HDMI outputs - is that something which is actually built into
the system's operating systems, or do games have to support it specifically?
Depending on the features that you exploit, some of it's handled by the OS,
some of it will be handled by the applications."



Even the PSP has an OS.

No need to thank me for clearing this up for you. You're quite welcome in
advance. Hope you don't make the same silly mistake again.

Thats fine as the term there for an OS is certainly not the classical OS
I'm thinking of.

 

[Fred Liken]

Nope, you are simply wrong.
HAhahaha!

Are you sure you know what an OS is and are
not confusing it with APIs or hardware abstraction layer?

Um, neither of those make sense in this context, so I'm going to have to
say, yes, I know what I'm talking about.

What OS did the Binatone video game system use? Or the Vextrex? Or even
the Atari VCS. Hell even the ZX Spectrum didn't have an operating
system, it just had a basic interpreter running from ROM.

WTF? Who's talking about antiques? We're talking about current and next
gen, son. Keep up.

Nope is doesn't *need* and OS. And yes there is a *big* difference
between an Apple Handbag and a game console. The handbag has to be more
general purpose catering for all sorts of applications and user input
devices.

Who cares? The PS2 and XBox both have operating systems. It's documented.
End of discussion.

It also has to cater for multiple variants on the hardware such
as memory, graphics cards, keyboards, mice and the like.

That's moot since many PCs of past, which had only one flavor and resembled
modern consoles more than PCs, ran operating systems.

On top of that
the OS ( at least in a multi processing environment) has to cater for
multiple processes, resource sharing, allocation and signaling of
avaliablity back to processes.

Hehehe... All moot. We're talking about consoles. The XBox has an OS.
It's documented. The Playstation has an OS. That's documented.

In the environment of a games console the
game is working on a fixed baseline for hardware or at least a known
limited selection of possibilities, possibly with a hardware abstraction
layer to hide this. There are *plenty* of consoles which don't run an
OS.

Sure, you named a few, but we're talking about the current and next gen
systems, so that's a red herring.

Thats fine as the term there for an OS is certainly not the classical OS
I'm thinking of.

LOL, and that's quite a wiggle, my friend. Fact is you were wrong. It's
been proven. Especially in the case of the XBox. The thing even blue
screened.

 

[Guest]

Do you really think 10mb more ram will make ANY difference?

.Jarle

-check this out-

J. Allard quote:

"One more important point is the eDRAM in the ATI part. This is another plus
against PS3. Both XBOX 360 and PS3 have 512MB memory so it seems 10MB eDRAM
makes no difference. However it becomes a different story if it's put on the
graphics chip. If a super wide-bandwidth memory is connected with the
graphics chip, it allows a shader program to access the memory with a very
low latency."

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23635

 

[Thomas]

People do this all the time, Paul. I remember back when I was 7 or 8 years
old and the friends around the neighborhood used to argue Ford vs. Chevy, or
even whether it should be Chevy vs. Ford. Or there shouldn't be any
comparison because (fill in a name) was so much better.

It is the competitive world. And that's why major league baseball started
the inter-league play with "rivals weekend" or whatever they're calling it.
Nothing better than bragging rights on something, even gaming consoles,
whereas other "normal" people might think Cal vs. Stanford, Arizona vs.
Arizona State or Notre Dame vs. USC is THE GAME.

That's easy. UM vs. OSU is THE GAME.

All the myopic West Coast idiots can eat a bowl. The rest of the world
(and yes, there is life east of Tucson and West of San Francisco!) knows
full well what "THE GAME" is.

-Thomas

 

[Thomas]

I know, but they really seem to think that by posting some flame
against a certain company they can change our minds.

You don't think he posted that just to get people to argue?

It's called trolling and he did a damn fine job of it. Trolling is an
artform.

-Thomas

 

[Thomas]

something that most people seem to be overlooking when comparing
Playstation3 to Xbox 360
-- the Xbox 360 has more total RAM memory than PS3.

Xbox 360 has 522 MB RAM total: 512 MB + 10 MB EDRAM

Playstation3 has 512 MB total: 256 MB + 256 MB


this alone makes Xbox 360 better, as far as its hardware.

there are other areas where Xbox 360 seems totally superior to PS3, such as
memory bandwidth, thanks to that EDRAM, but looking at the amount of RAM
alone, I don't see how PS3 can be stronger than Xbox 360. RAM means more
than almost anything. more than nonsense Gflops numbers or other
theoretical specs. RAM amount is a hard, provable, solid measure. there
is no denying that Xbox 360 has more memory than PS3. Also, Xbox360's
GDDR3 memory is the same memory than PS3 uses on the GPU side of its memory.
The other half of PS3's memory, the Rambus XDR memory, is totally unproven
(like Cell) and could have HORRIBLE latency problems as Rambus has a history
of having bad latency issues with its RAM. it was true of the Nintendo64 and
the Playstation2 which both used Rambus DRAM.


how could Sony, who is claiming that PS3 is twice as powerful as Xbox360,
put LESS RAM memory into their console, than a supposedly weaker console?
does not make sense.

Sack up and buy them all.

XBox 360, PS3 AND Revolution will all be mine on their release dates.
That's the only way to do it. That's the only way to be assured that you
can play the best games in every genre.

Fanboy nonsense is ridiculous.

-Thomas

 

[Paul Heslop]

You don't think he posted that just to get people to argue?

It's called trolling and he did a damn fine job of it. Trolling is an
artform.

-Thomas

I don't think of it as an art form. It's as much an art as scratching
someone's car and photographing yourself doing it is art. It's a
vandalism, a graffiti at best, and a bloody pointless waste of
bandwidth.

My biggest grievance with these people is their abusive nature, again
not an artform but the same mindless tripe which spawned 'happy
slapping'

 

[Thomas]

Thomas wrote:




I don't think of it as an art form. It's as much an art as scratching
someone's car and photographing yourself doing it is art. It's a
vandalism, a graffiti at best, and a bloody pointless waste of
bandwidth.

My biggest grievance with these people is their abusive nature, again
not an artform but the same mindless tripe which spawned 'happy
slapping'

This isn't 1984. "Waste of bandwidth" is a stupid argument.

And trolling is an artform. A good troll is nearly as good as a good
poster. A good troll can get the group regulars to laugh on a regular
basis. A good troll is a hell of a lot more interesting to read than a
post by some know-it-all windbag who tries to prove something that is
utterly inconsequential with a barrage of useless facts.

-Thomas

 

[Paul Heslop]

This isn't 1984. "Waste of bandwidth" is a stupid argument.

And trolling is an artform. A good troll is nearly as good as a good
poster. A good troll can get the group regulars to laugh on a regular
basis. A good troll is a hell of a lot more interesting to read than a
post by some know-it-all windbag who tries to prove something that is
utterly inconsequential with a barrage of useless facts.

-Thomas

There's no such thing as a 'good' troll, though I agree they can be
amusing. Was that last sentence an attack on me or are you just being
generally abusive?

 

[Thomas]

There's no such thing as a 'good' troll, though I agree they can be
amusing. Was that last sentence an attack on me or are you just being
generally abusive?

Attack on you? I have been subscribed to this group for two days and
don't know ANYONE by name yet (and it takes me months if not years of
heavy arguing to remember someone's name). I enjoy a good technical
discussion just as much as the next guy, and as someone who is very
interested in hardware, probably moreso.

That said, I have a sense of humor and if someone can get me to laugh,
THAT is what I remember.

I respect people who have the ability to get a bunch of people to argue
as if their mother were insulted just by taking a shot or two at their
favorite piece of hardware, athlete, team, political affiliation, or
whatever. It's a skill, a talent and an artform.

-Thomas

 

[Paul Heslop]

Attack on you? I have been subscribed to this group for two days and
don't know ANYONE by name yet (and it takes me months if not years of
heavy arguing to remember someone's name). I enjoy a good technical
discussion just as much as the next guy, and as someone who is very
interested in hardware, probably moreso.

fairy nuff... problem is, due to our little friend, if you look in the
headers you will see this is being xposted to half a dozen groups, and
I don't know which one you're in. I do post some factual stuff in some
groups, obviously, though being me the word 'factual' is loose :O)

It's as much the xposting I object to as anything else. It causes
confusion.

That said, I have a sense of humor and if someone can get me to laugh,
THAT is what I remember.

oh me too, but sometimes when you wade through all the crap you forget
to laugh

I respect people who have the ability to get a bunch of people to argue
as if their mother were insulted just by taking a shot or two at their
favorite piece of hardware, athlete, team, political affiliation, or
whatever. It's a skill, a talent and an artform.

-Thomas

Well, we'll have to differ. If they spent their time doing something
constructive instead of destructive I'd call it art. I agree they (or
certain ones at least) have a knack or skill, but not art. I've
recently bumped into one who responds by calling anyone who objects to
his posts a troll... but the whole thing still smacks heavily of 'my
dad's bigger than your dad' and at best is a childish game.

I also think the intention is actually to do harm, to stop potential
customers from purchasing a piece of hardware. A 'good' troll wouldn't
take sides. This is more a flame than a troll.

 

[Bob Myers]

This isn't 1984. "Waste of bandwidth" is a stupid argument.

"Waste of bandwidth" is never a stupid argument; bandwidth
is definitely neither infinite nor free, especially when "bandwidth"
is broadened slightly to include the time the readers have to
spend slogging through and/or killfiling such idiocy.

Bob M.

 

[Paul Heslop]

"Waste of bandwidth" is never a stupid argument; bandwidth
is definitely neither infinite nor free, especially when "bandwidth"
is broadened slightly to include the time the readers have to
spend slogging through and/or killfiling such idiocy.

Bob M.

Thanks for putting it so well Bob, I was starting to lose the plot a
little today.

 

[theOne]

Bob,
I agree with you wholehearteldy on how ignorant these cross posters are
but c'mon. Bandwidth? It is free above and beyond what I pay for my
monthly pkg. If there were a cap on my ISP, I'd be one of the first
they'd call, a loooooonng time ago.

Your're right in terms of the broader implications though. Probably why
so many people have dropped usenet all together in favor of moderated
forums and bulletin boards with avatars, sigs, and the like.

btw, you just crossposted to a shitload of groups

 

[Thomas]

fairy nuff... problem is, due to our little friend, if you look in the
headers you will see this is being xposted to half a dozen groups, and
I don't know which one you're in. I do post some factual stuff in some
groups, obviously, though being me the word 'factual' is loose :O)

It's as much the xposting I object to as anything else. It causes
confusion.

I know it was crossposted. Most decent trolls are. But why do *you*
care? Are you paying for the bandwidth? Is it to your personal detriment
in any way for this to occur?

Are you a regular of alt.politics? Comcast's newsserver is showing 1.1m
posts in that group. I bet that there have been hundreds of instances of
people crossposting trolls over the past year. If you're not a regular
there, you don't know that it occurs. There may be confusion, but it
doesn't effect you.

The only difference between that and this is that you aren't a member of
that group. Crossposting into this group isn't to your detriment any
more than that is. Crossposting into this group doesn't waste any more
bandwidth than that does. In the end, all you have to do is ignore a
post if you don't like its content, where it was posted, that it was
crossposted, etc.

oh me too, but sometimes when you wade through all the crap you forget
to laugh

So don't wade through the crap.

When I see something is crossposted, I laugh a little no matter what the
subject is because I know that SOMEONE is going to throw a fit without
ever realizing that it was crossposted.

But it's my choice to read it. I can always ignore it.

Well, we'll have to differ. If they spent their time doing something
constructive instead of destructive I'd call it art.

It's all in how you look at it. People say the same about graffiti.

I mean, I bet the majority of America would say that talking about video
games on an internet newsgroup with people you have never and will never
meet is about as far away from "constructive" as it gets. The people who
think that are douchebags who don't understand how utterly crucial to
human survival that video games are, but that is beside the point.

I agree they (or
certain ones at least) have a knack or skill, but not art. I've
recently bumped into one who responds by calling anyone who objects to
his posts a troll... but the whole thing still smacks heavily of 'my
dad's bigger than your dad' and at best is a childish game.

I also think the intention is actually to do harm, to stop potential
customers from purchasing a piece of hardware. A 'good' troll wouldn't
take sides. This is more a flame than a troll.

Anyone who thinks that their post will cause someone to pick a different
next-gen system is a farking retard. Anyone whose opinion can be changed
by someone's post (buying a $300 piece of machinery is a little
different than "hey, should I check out Prince of Persia from the
bargain bin?" so my comment here is obviously referring to a relatively
major decision) is even more retarded.

But why do *YOU* care?

This asswipe thinks that his system is better than the others (mind you,
none have been released yet and 2/3rds will not be released for a year
or more) because of a completely irrelevant number. Who cares if he
thinks that? Who cares if he wants to flame? Who cares if he's immature?
These are video games. I would argue that ANYONE who plays video games
has a certain lack of maturity. I know I do. I haven't met anyone who
plays video games who doesn't. It's to be expected.

Don't go to McDonalds and expect filet mignon.

For the record, I will buy all three systems. I am most looking forward
to XBox 360. I am least looking forward to the next Sony POS. I will buy
it anyway because I know that I will want to play something on it at
some point, and because I have owned EVERY console other than Neo Geo
since Sega Master System and Nintendo. I agree, fanboyism is stupid and
immature, but there's no reason to get my panties in a bunch over it.
There are stupid people everywhere. You can't avoid it and you can't
change them.

-Thomas

 

[Thomas]

"Waste of bandwidth" is never a stupid argument; bandwidth
is definitely neither infinite nor free,

True, it is finite to some degree. Explain your detriment when something
is crossposted though. Didn't think so.

especially when "bandwidth"
is broadened slightly to include the time the readers have to
spend slogging through and/or killfiling such idiocy.

"Have to"?

I have to pay my bills. I have to go to work. I don't have to read every
post in a group, nor do I have to killfile everyone I disagree with.

-Thomas

 

[Thomas]

Bob,
I agree with you wholehearteldy on how ignorant these cross posters are
but c'mon. Bandwidth? It is free above and beyond what I pay for my
monthly pkg. If there were a cap on my ISP, I'd be one of the first
they'd call, a loooooonng time ago.

Your're right in terms of the broader implications though. Probably why
so many people have dropped usenet all together in favor of moderated
forums and bulletin boards with avatars, sigs, and the like.

btw, you just crossposted to a shitload of groups

Good point. Every time you bitch, you "waste" just as much if not more
bandwidth than the guy you are complaining about.

At that point, not only are you a whiner, but you are a hypocrite.

-Thomas