Would love to improve this group

[Ken Blake]

In

My suggestion, 15 people post the same solution in one single
thread??? Why is that? I see & read every post in the thread,
so a
newsserver not possibly posting all the threads is
bullcrap..............Who tries to outshine who in
here????????? ;0)

Individuals will often give a response similar or identical to
what others have already said, for a variety of good reasons:

1. Not everyone uses the same news server, and messages are
propagated to different servers at different times. A message
that's available on your server may not yet be available on
everyone's server, so some people may not yet have seen the other
messages with the same answer.

2. Messages are usually downloaded in batches. Even if the
message is available on someone's server, it may not have yet
been downloaded to his computer. Again, some people may not yet
have seen the other messages with the same answer.

3. Someone may answer a question with what seems to you like the
same answer, but was meant to make an additional point, give a
somewhat different stress to a particular point, or to explain a
particular point in a better way.

4. Someone may answer a question with the same answer to lend
weight to a particular opinion.

5. Someone may, either through carelessness or haste, not realize
that a question has already been answered.

It hardly ever hurts to get the answer more than once, and often
helps. If I want to know something, and four people tell it to
me, I'm a lot more likely to believe it than if only one does.

 

[Steve N.]

ByTor wrote:




You misunderstand how Usenet works. Posts propagate at different speeds
to news servers all over the world. There are time differences and
different ways of dealing with posts. Those of us who have broadband
may read all the posts at once; others with dialup or different posting
styles may download the headers and then pick through the ones that
interest them to answer. It is quite common that someone in another
country from me (I'm in the US) in a completely different time zone
could be reading the same question, answer it when I do, and because of
the differences in time zones and news server propagation we might not
see that the question was already answered.

Some people also download and read offline, again not seeing the other
answers yet. Others (the late, great Alex Nichol, for example) have
admitted to seeing other replies posted but elect to answer the OP
dirtectly anyway because they knew the correct answer, without reading
the other replies. Additionally, there is certainly nothing wrong with
confirming the same answer with such experts and this lends even greater
credibility to those answering. Plus, it just makes me feel better to
confirm that I answered correctly when I see a trusted expert give the
same answer.

As for the responders asking questions (which I do), this is how one
troubleshoots. Many posters in this group are not particularly
technically savvy and may also not be very articulate in writing.
Remember, we are providing free tech support about computers that we
can't see, often from information provided that is scanty. Asking
questions about the situation helps narrow down the problem areas.
Writing paragraphs of tech support for a problem that is basically
undefined is a waste of time. Hence the request for more definitions of
the situation so that focused answers can be given.

Very well put.

As for any sarcasm or unpleasantness, well this is Usenet. The MS groups
tend to be far more polite and pleasant than many others. If you doubt
me, take a stroll over to some of the alt.* groups.

Malke

Heheh. Right on.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

Do I understand this as sarcasm??

Coming from Kurt, yes it is reasonable to presume so.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

Most of the time, I ask questions that are obvious and was information
that should have been given in stating the problem. It may be
frustrating, but it is a subtle way of showing people how to frame a
proper question and giving necessary info, when they post their next
question.

I go under the assumption, that once people find this place, they'll be
back again, and part of helping them, is helping them help themselves.




And enable their reliance on others to hand them every answer on a
silver platter? I sometimes give a link to a Google search using a word
or phrase contained in the post I'm responding to so that they can see
how easy it is to find the answer on their own.




LOL! There goes half of Carey's cut and paste responses!

Seriously, that's where the peers come in, in this peer to peer support
group. Mistakes are made by everyone. I doubt there is one person here
that has given advise that wouldn't want to take back one of their
replies from time to time. None of us is perfect.

It is nice when one admits their errors, isn't it? That way we can all
learn from our mistakes.

No one, I believe I just said that. ;-) And some people learn better
with a little negative reinforcement. RTFM is a perfectly acceptable
response to many of the questions asked, especially about things such as
BIOS settings, where almost every mobo has different ones.




Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day, but teach a man to fish, and
eat for a lifetime. And if you have ever gone fishing, you know what a
frustrating experience that really can be.

LOL! A freind of mine said once, why spoil a perfectly good day fishing
by actually catching something?

Steve

 

[kurttrail]

kurttrail wrote:


It is nice when one admits their errors, isn't it? That way we can all
learn from our mistakes.

Yeah. It would be nice.

LOL! A freind of mine said once, why spoil a perfectly good day
fishing by actually catching something?

Of course, a case of beer is usually a necessary ingredient.

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[Steve N.]

You have to understand that about 25 percent of the people on Usenet are
only here in order to trash and denigrate others.

That's too generous. At least here in XP.gen. I'd say more like 2%.

They do it because it is
an anonymous environment and they don't have to answer to anyone for their
stupidity. They live for it and do it in an attempt to appear superior to
others, when in fact they are only showing their inferiority. You can't
change this type of individual, so trying will only frustrate you.

Don Dunlap

Why they do it isn't really relevant, IMO.

Steve

 

[Bob I]

Humm, a strict reading of what you posted would indicate Malke is correct.

 

[ByTor]

Humm, a strict reading of what you posted would indicate Malke is correct.

Well, irregardless, it's a helluva an assumption to make that someone
doesn't know something......I don't misunderstand how usenet works, I
call it as I see it......The need to shine, shine, shine in this groups
is very, very apparant to me..........

 

[ByTor]

You can understand it any way you like.

So let me get this straight? I deserve this from someone that I have
never disrespected or even responded to before??

Any credibility, and believe me I read your posts, that you may have had
with me just flew out the window....Than again you probably don't even
care. But, that's okay, neither do I............

 

[kurttrail]

So let me get this straight? I deserve this from someone that I have
never disrespected or even responded to before??

Any credibility, and believe me I read your posts, that you may have
had with me just flew out the window....Than again you probably don't
even care. But, that's okay, neither do I............

LOL! If that's the way you are gonna take one throw-away phrase, then I
do care to know that.

If you are gonna be so over-sensitive over what people write on the
USENET, then you probably do not understand it. And if you really look
at the rest of my post, especially the couple of the sentences after the
"two cents," I was generally agreeing with you.

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[ByTor]

LOL! If that's the way you are gonna take one throw-away phrase, then I
do care to know that.

If you are gonna be so over-sensitive over what people write on the
USENET, then you probably do not understand it. And if you really look
at the rest of my post, especially the couple of the sentences after the
"two cents," I was generally agreeing with you.

Yes I seen that, it's why I clipped it out, I was just trying to
understand your remark.....But come on really, was there a need for
that? I'm not sensative at all it just suprises me when people have
never encountered one another they blatantly throw out sarcasm or say
something in a degrading manner......If I misunderstood than I
apologize.....
And I was really beginning to like your debates with the "moral"
activists............. ;0)

Peace.......................

 

[kurttrail]

Yes I seen that, it's why I clipped it out, I was just trying to
understand your remark.....But come on really, was there a need for
that? I'm not sensative at all it just suprises me when people have
never encountered one another they blatantly throw out sarcasm or say
something in a degrading manner......If I misunderstood than I
apologize.....
And I was really beginning to like your debates with the "moral"
activists............. ;0)

Peace.......................

I'm a sarcastic person. Steve is right. No need for you to apologize.

And what I was trying to get across with my reply "You can understand it
any way you like," is that people are gonna do it anyway. You have the
right to understand what I say any way you like. Just try to
understand, that we are all individuals, and have different ways of
expressing ourselves. Some, like me, tend to TRY to interject some
humor in our replies. I don't always succeed in getting that across.

I like Malke, but I said some things in jest, that I believe she didn't
take too kindly to, and she has been rather aloof towards me ever since.
And while I regret that that has happened, I am who I am. I wouldn't be
me, if I didn't joke around. That is just who I am.

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[Opinicus]

Welcome to the internet. Have you ever tried herding cats?
That's something like what managing a newsgroup is like.
Only harder.

--

Bob (who has a dog who DOES herd cats, but that's another
story)

Kanyak's Doghouse
http://www.kanyak.com

 

[Tom]

Yes I seen that, it's why I clipped it out, I was just trying to
understand your remark.....But come on really, was there a need for
that? I'm not sensative at all

<snipped>

Despite the fact that you got sensitive over the previous posts?

 

[kurttrail]

Welcome to the internet. Have you ever tried herding cats?
That's something like what managing a newsgroup is like.
Only harder.

ROFL! Overcoming the laws of gravity, would be easier.

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[ByTor]

I'm a sarcastic person. Steve is right. No need for you to apologize.

And what I was trying to get across with my reply "You can understand it
any way you like," is that people are gonna do it anyway. You have the
right to understand what I say any way you like. Just try to
understand, that we are all individuals, and have different ways of
expressing ourselves. Some, like me, tend to TRY to interject some
humor in our replies. I don't always succeed in getting that across.

I like Malke, but I said some things in jest, that I believe she didn't
take too kindly to, and she has been rather aloof towards me ever since.
And while I regret that that has happened, I am who I am. I wouldn't be
me, if I didn't joke around. That is just who I am.

Most posters don't matter much and I could care less, I actually like
your positions on "certain" issues I have read here and developed a
respect for it......

Anyway, I have a better understanding now of how we can communicate
possibly in furthur encounters so "cheers" to ya.... ;0)

 

[ByTor]

<snipped>

Despite the fact that you got sensitive over the previous posts?

One does not have to be defined as "sensitive" when just seeking
clarification............

 

[Leythos]

No, you're wrong, I'm right!

I just started taking the pain meds again, had to work all week and could
not take it until I got done, so, assuming that I'm on 2 pills now, I'm
thinking your posting that in a funny mode and not a slam mode.

 

[Steve N.]

I just started taking the pain meds again, had to work all week and could
not take it until I got done, so, assuming that I'm on 2 pills now, I'm
thinking your posting that in a funny mode and not a slam mode.

It's a sad, sad day when you can't recognize Kurt's sarcasm,
_especially_ if you're on drugs!!



I don't know what you're taking pain killers for but by all means, feel
better soon.

Steve

 

[Leythos]

It's a sad, sad day when you can't recognize Kurt's sarcasm,
_especially_ if you're on drugs!!



I don't know what you're taking pain killers for but by all means, feel
better soon.

Thanks Steve - I separated a couple ribs (not Damons) on Monday and they
said it would take a couple weeks to heal if I was able to schedule some
down time, but I've got a couple guys on vacation and had to do some cable
plants myself, so I was bending in ways that my ribs didn't like. I took
two percaset (sp) about 8PM and I'm feeling really good now, but I think I
should have stayed down a little longer than I did.