wireless connection makes online gaming impossible. ping spikes!

Z

ZippyDan

perform a google search for: vista ping spike wireless

you will find hundreds of results:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vista+ping+spike+wireless

this is a nearly universal issue:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=23270
http://www.vistax64.com/vista-networking-sharing/72358-vista-wireless-network-lag-spikes-2.htm
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7813_102-0.html?forumID=19&threadID=162124&messageID=1797233
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/660137.html
http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Wireless-Network-Ping-Spikes-t101910.html
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3PDI66ELMMV5U
http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/gaming-sky/16563-ping-spikes-2.htm
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19228204-Info-DLink-DGL4500-Wireless-N-Gaming-Router

That is just the first page of results from google and ALL of them are
relevant to the issue I will describe.

Apparently since Windows XP and continuing with Vista, Windows will poll (or
search) for wireless connections every 60 seconds. This searching causes a
regular and predictable ping spike of around or over 1000ms every 60 seconds.
This makes playing any online game impossible because you get constant ping
spikes and unplayable lag.

In Windows XP there were some relatively reliable and easy ways to get
around this problem, but in Vista there is no reliable solution! The easiest
method for solving this problem in XP was simply to use a third party
wireless configuration utility (the one supplied with your wireless hardware
usually,) that would not perform this incessant polling. Unfortunately, few
if any hardware manufacturers have created wireless utilities that work in
Vista.

Even if they did, it is difficult to understand why Microsoft has not solved
this problem themselves. Windows afterall portrays itself as the ultimate
gaming platform (among other uses such as office productivity, Microsoft does
sell Windows as a gaming OS especially as compared to Linux or Mac.) With
wireless connectivity becoming more and more prevalent, and online gaming
becoming more and more popular, how exactly does Microsoft justify making the
two impossible on their latest and greatest OS?

Even if a third party wireless utility were available, I would prefer to use
the built-in Windows features, if only they worked! Now I understand that
Microsoft does see this polling as a useful feature. In any application
where latency does not matter much, such as surfing the web or downloading a
file, this ping spike is not at all noticeable as performance is fine 99% of
the time. And polling for better connections is certainly important to
making sure the computer is always connected to the best possible Access
Point in a world where people are constantly on the go, often using laptops,
and roaming from one Access Point to the next. But there is a whole segment
of people such as myself who are using wireless as a landline replacement, in
their own homes, on a desktop computer! My computer never moves, my access
point never moves, no better connection will ever be available!

All that is needed here is a simple option, a checkbox, that allows me to
tell Windows: THIS IS THE ONLY ACCESS POINT I EVER WANT TO CONNECT TO, DO NOT
POLL FOR NEW ACCESS POINTS. Even laptop users would benefit from this. Many
laptops are becoming capable gaming machines. If you know you are not going
to be moving and you want to get a quick game in while on the road, you could
tell Windows WLAN to lock on to the current access point. Then when its time
to get back to everyday business, return to normal polling.

Please Microsoft: wireless is the future, online gaming is the future,
please bring your OS in line with the times!

ZippyDan - unable to play games online with his quad core desktop, 4 gb
memory, 25mbit connection, and WINDOWS VISTA with Service Pack 1 - i had hope
that SP1 would fix this problem, but no... :-(
 
P

perstromgren

Apparently since Windows XP and continuing withVista, Windows will poll (or
search) forwirelessconnections every 60 seconds. This searching causes a
regular and predictable ping spike of around or over 1000ms every 60 seconds.
This makes playing any online game impossible because you get constant ping
spikes and unplayable lag.

Thank you, ZippyDan, for this information! I have been troubleshooting
this problem for a week now, without knowing about this design! I can
now stop trying to solve the problem, then.

Is this design documented at an official site anywhere?

Per
 
J

jase.au

In the same boat here ZippyDan...have posted about the problem about 12 pages
in and yet to hear an official response, and havent seen any official MS
responses in my extensive google/ yahoo searches....:(

It seems the solution you posted is so simple but obviously there is some
reason MS dont give us the option to stop polling...I hope to find out before
I have to climb into my roof and install a telephone line splitter and cable
hardwired down to where my computer permanently sits....(i hate getting into
my roof)

So much for wireless ehh....
 
J

James Lucktaylor

ZippyDan said:
perform a google search for: vista ping spike wireless

you will find hundreds of results:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vista+ping+spike+wireless

this is a nearly universal issue:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=232702
http://www.vistax64.com/vista-networking-sharing/72358-vista-wireless-network-lag-spikes-2.html
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7813_102-0.html?forumID=19&threadID=162124&messageID=1797233
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/660137.html
http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Wireless-Network-Ping-Spikes-t101910.html
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3PDI66ELMMV5U
http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/gaming-sky/16563-ping-spikes-2.html
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19228204-Info-DLink-DGL4500-Wireless-N-Gaming-Router

That is just the first page of results from google and ALL of them are
relevant to the issue I will describe.

Apparently since Windows XP and continuing with Vista, Windows will poll (or
search) for wireless connections every 60 seconds. This searching causes a
regular and predictable ping spike of around or over 1000ms every 60 seconds.
This makes playing any online game impossible because you get constant ping
spikes and unplayable lag.

In Windows XP there were some relatively reliable and easy ways to get
around this problem, but in Vista there is no reliable solution! The easiest
method for solving this problem in XP was simply to use a third party
wireless configuration utility (the one supplied with your wireless hardware
usually,) that would not perform this incessant polling. Unfortunately, few
if any hardware manufacturers have created wireless utilities that work in
Vista.

Even if they did, it is difficult to understand why Microsoft has not solved
this problem themselves. Windows afterall portrays itself as the ultimate
gaming platform (among other uses such as office productivity, Microsoft does
sell Windows as a gaming OS especially as compared to Linux or Mac.) With
wireless connectivity becoming more and more prevalent, and online gaming
becoming more and more popular, how exactly does Microsoft justify making the
two impossible on their latest and greatest OS?

Even if a third party wireless utility were available, I would prefer to use
the built-in Windows features, if only they worked! Now I understand that
Microsoft does see this polling as a useful feature. In any application
where latency does not matter much, such as surfing the web or downloading a
file, this ping spike is not at all noticeable as performance is fine 99% of
the time. And polling for better connections is certainly important to
making sure the computer is always connected to the best possible Access
Point in a world where people are constantly on the go, often using laptops,
and roaming from one Access Point to the next. But there is a whole segment
of people such as myself who are using wireless as a landline replacement, in
their own homes, on a desktop computer! My computer never moves, my access
point never moves, no better connection will ever be available!

All that is needed here is a simple option, a checkbox, that allows me to
tell Windows: THIS IS THE ONLY ACCESS POINT I EVER WANT TO CONNECT TO, DO NOT
POLL FOR NEW ACCESS POINTS. Even laptop users would benefit from this. Many
laptops are becoming capable gaming machines. If you know you are not going
to be moving and you want to get a quick game in while on the road, you could
tell Windows WLAN to lock on to the current access point. Then when its time
to get back to everyday business, return to normal polling.

Please Microsoft: wireless is the future, online gaming is the future,
please bring your OS in line with the times!

ZippyDan - unable to play games online with his quad core desktop, 4 gb
memory, 25mbit connection, and WINDOWS VISTA with Service Pack 1 - i had hope
that SP1 would fix this problem, but no... :-(

I am suffering from the exact same issue, my ping between my brand new
machine that I've spent my hard-earned on and my wireless AP router spikes up
over 1000ms every single minute. Running wires to the router from where the
PC lives is not an option.
Surely this can sorted out and patched without too much trouble.
I'm running Vista Ultimate SP1, network card is a brand new Linksys WMP54G,
drivers/Windows Update are all up to scratch.. very disappointed that
something so trivial is so disruptive to online gaming. I can't play any
online/multiplayer games at all without disruption. :C
 

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