Windows XP System Utilities

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Let me preface this post by saying that, in general, I am NOT a fan of third
party utiltilies or utility suites that attempt to tweak, change, or modify
the way Windows XP operates. I do make an exception for defraggers such as
Diskeeper and PerfectDisk, but that's it.

Disclaimer aside, is there anyone out there, especially MVPs, who is a fan
of this category software even for Windows XP Pro SP2, e.g. Systemworks,
Registry Mechanic, SystemSuite, and the like?

Also, does anyone know of a third party utility (other than Spinrite) that
attempts to replace or enhance chkdsk or otherwise monitor your hard drive
for errors?

TIA,
Ken
 
Norton DiskDoctor (part of Systemworks) is good. It will diagnose problems
with hard drives without automatically fixing them before you get a chance to
review what its about to do.
 
I'm familiar with Norton Disk Doctor. Does it do anything above and beyond
what chkdsk does?
 
Ken said:
Disclaimer aside, is there anyone out there, especially MVPs, who is a fan
of this category software even for Windows XP Pro SP2, e.g. Systemworks,


I've no use for Systemworks, at all. Once a useful utility suite,
back in the days of MS-DOS, when Peter Norton was more than a picture on
the box, Norton Utilities have been becoming increasingly useless and
redundant over the years. There's little offered by NU that WinXP
cannot already do natively. And some of Systemworks's features, like
CrashGuard and CleanSweep (if they're still included) cause far more
problems then they prevent.


Registry Mechanic,


The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability.

What specific problem are you experiencing that you *know* beyond
all reasonable doubt will be fixed by using an automated registry
cleaner? If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it
would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only
the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. Why
use a shotgun when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the
manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to
have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously.

I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment
far more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly
encourage others to acquire the knowledge, as well.





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My point about DiskDoctor (which is the only reason I have SystemWorks
installed -with least features possible) is that it will give a
viewable/printable diagnosis wheras to get anything info out of chkdsk, at
least through GUI, you have to select automatically fix errors and reboot. I
suppose you could specify switches so chkdsk won't do fix things
automatically, but who wants to do that everytime.
 
Ken said:
I'm familiar with Norton Disk Doctor. Does it do anything above and
beyond what chkdsk does?

I don't like any third-party utilities with XP. I don't think they are
necessary and in some cases, like registry cleaners, can do some real
damage. I definitely would not recommend Norton Systemworks or anything
else from Symantec at this point. If well-maintained (see below) XP
does not require the constant tinkering that Win9x/ME did. In fact, I
get a lot of business from clients who tinkered or who had a friend
"optimize" their computer. ;-)

As far as monitoring your hard drive for errors, modern hard drives have
S.M.A.R.T. monitoring. If you want to check the health of your hard
drive, download a free diagnostic utility from the drive mftr.'s
website. Usually you will make a bootable floppy or bootable cd (need
third-party burning software for the latter) and boot with that media.

If you want a healthy system, do Disk Cleanup regularly, run a defrag in
Safe Mode once in a while, have a current version av installed, remove
non-viral malware with Spybot S&D and Ad-aware regularly, and don't
install beta or questionable software. Keep your computer clean and
with good airflow. Use quality hardware. Your system will work well
then.

Malke
 
Thanks for your comments. I agree with just about everything you said. I
think that much of the appeal of these programs, at least in my case, is that
they were much more necessary or at least very helpful in the pre-XP days.
With XP, however, you already have pretty much everything you need to keep
your machine in top shape (except that I still use a third party defragger).
 
A couple of other things about DiskDoctor vs. chkdsk that I like:
Disk Doctor caught a buch of invalid time stamps that chkdsk missed-okay
that's minor
Disk Doctor found and reported lost clusters on numerous occasions chkdsk
missed
Disk Doctor found and rescued a partition at the end of my drive chkdsk
probably would have deleted
I have 5 separate checkable partitions. With chkdsk (unless I'm missing
something) I have to open a separate property sheet for each. DiskDoctor
automates the whole thing.
 
I've no use for Systemworks, at all. Once a useful utility suite,
back in the days of MS-DOS, when Peter Norton was more than a picture on
the box, Norton Utilities have been becoming increasingly useless and
redundant over the years. There's little offered by NU that WinXP
cannot already do natively. And some of Systemworks's features, like
CrashGuard and CleanSweep (if they're still included) cause far more
problems then they prevent.

I agree 100 percent. Systemworks used to be a virtual necessity for me back
in the Windows 9x days, but not since XP was introduced in 2001.

[...]
The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

Again, words to live by, IMO.
Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability.

This is a huge issue with me -- the lack of solid, empirical, transparent,
objectively verifiable evidence that these programs actually do any good. It
seems crazy to assume the very real risk that a registry cleaner may cause
significant harm to your system when the program cannot even point to any
transparent benefits. performance.
I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment
far more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly
encourage others to acquire the knowledge, as well.

Me too.

Ken
 
=?Utf-8?B?SG9tZXI=?= said:
Norton DiskDoctor (part of Systemworks) is good. It will diagnose problems

When encountering odd pc operations the first thing good techs do is
remove ANYTHING NORTONS [tho the anti-virus is ok].

Which quite often, fixes the problem.
 
Ken said:
Let me preface this post by saying that, in general, I am NOT a fan of third
party utiltilies or utility suites that attempt to tweak, change, or modify
the way Windows XP operates. I do make an exception for defraggers such as
Diskeeper and PerfectDisk, but that's it.

Disclaimer aside, is there anyone out there, especially MVPs, who is a fan
of this category software even for Windows XP Pro SP2, e.g. Systemworks,
Registry Mechanic, SystemSuite, and the like?

Not this one, apart from TweakUI which is an officially unsupported
product of one of Microsoft's most respected people.

And the backup/partition management software from www.bootitng.com
 
Ken said:
This is a huge issue with me -- the lack of solid, empirical, transparent,
objectively verifiable evidence that these programs actually do any good

Just occurs to me to add a category that should be thrown with the
greatest possible force. These are the programs that purport to
'manage' or 'Free up' RAM, or otherwise 'tune' the VM System (you can do
all the tuning necessary in Control Panel - System). They produce a
purely cosmetic effect at best , and often result in the page file
running away
 
Yep...in fact, it was your article on virtual memory that first alerted me to
these problems.
 
Norton DiskDoctor (part of Systemworks) is good. It will diagnose problems
with hard drives without automatically fixing them before you get a chance to
review what its about to do.

Umm, all Norton DiskDoctor does is run the system chkdsk. What a joke.
 

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