Windows XP SP3 handles Daylight Savings Time end incorrectly?


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Joe Zygala

This morning (Sunday, 10/26/2008) when I got up and rebooted my 3 computers,
the 2 that are at SP2 say, correctly, that they are on Eastern Daylight Time.
The one running SP3 says it is on Eastern Standard Time. All three are
configured the same way - (GMT - 5:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) and
Automatically adjust clock for daylight saving changes.

Is there a bug in the SP3 code? How can I fix this?
 
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]

Joe Zygala said:
This morning (Sunday, 10/26/2008) when I got up and rebooted my 3
computers, the 2 that are at SP2 say, correctly, that they are on
Eastern Daylight Time. The one running SP3 says it is on Eastern
Standard Time. All three are configured the same way - (GMT - 5:00)
Eastern Time (US & Canada) and Automatically adjust clock for
daylight saving changes.

Is there a bug in the SP3 code? How can I fix this?

I'm not running SP3, so I don't know. Did you run the DST updates for
Windows XP when they came out, on all three computers?
 
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Big_Al

Joe said:
This morning (Sunday, 10/26/2008) when I got up and rebooted my 3 computers,
the 2 that are at SP2 say, correctly, that they are on Eastern Daylight Time.
The one running SP3 says it is on Eastern Standard Time. All three are
configured the same way - (GMT - 5:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) and
Automatically adjust clock for daylight saving changes.

Is there a bug in the SP3 code? How can I fix this?

Don't think its SP3, I have SP3 and mine shows EDT right now.
 
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Daave

Joe Zygala said:
This morning (Sunday, 10/26/2008) when I got up and rebooted my 3
computers,
the 2 that are at SP2 say, correctly, that they are on Eastern
Daylight Time.
The one running SP3 says it is on Eastern Standard Time. All three
are
configured the same way - (GMT - 5:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) and
Automatically adjust clock for daylight saving changes.

Is there a bug in the SP3 code? How can I fix this?

I believe this is expected behavior for the earlier *beta* version of
SP3. From Shashank Bansal:

"Our current plan is not to integrate the time zone package with SP3,
but instead release a new updated update to windows update. the new
package would be installable on SP3."

http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2834373&SiteID=17
 
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Joe Zygala

Well, I don't think I have the SP3 beta. Due to various problems, I had to
reinstall this computer back in May. I did the SP3 update on May 8, 2008.
Granted, I have not done updates since then, but don't know what, if any, fix
in the interim would have fixed this problem. Do you have a specific fix
number for this? I will probably go to the library to do an update tomorrow.
At home, with dial-up, this is just too painful.
 
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Joe Zygala

I ran the DST updates on all three machines back in 2007. However, in May
2008, I had to reinstall the machine having the problem. This put this
system back to its initial state in 2006. Upon doing a Windows Update after
this reinstall is when SP3 went on. Is there another fix I would need? If
so, can you provide a link? Thanks.
 
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Joe Zygala

I have found the Daylight Saving Time Help and Support Center for home users
at http://support.microsoft.com/gp/dst_hu1, but the OS choices only go up to
XP Service Pack 2. I am loath to download the fix onto a Service Pack 3
system unless I am told that this will indeed NOT screw my SP3 system
entirely. Can you give any guidance in this respect? Thanks.
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

Assuming your time, date, *and* time zone settings are all correct and the
DST option is enabled, CrystalBall© sez...

Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you perform a new Windows XP
installation or you repair a Windows XP installation
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

Do Methods 1 and or 2, as needed, then go to
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | select CUSTOM and scan | Install any
critical security updates and DST-related updates offered.

NB: If IE7 is not installed, I would NOT recommend installing it via Windows
Update. If IE7 is installed and a Root Certificates update is listed in the
Optional Updates category, install it to take full advantage of IE7's
enhanced security.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
 
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Alan

Well, I DO have SP3, and my PC is off by an hour.

There is supposedly a fix at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951072, which
was released

I downloaded the file and when I try to install it, I am told that "Update
cannot be installed as a newer or same timezone update has already been
installed on the system.

Microsoft, in its own inimitable jargon has this to say:

"Note When you apply this update, you may receive the following message:
Update cannot be installed as a newer or same time zone update has already
been installed on the system.
This message indicates that you have already applied the correct update or
that Windows Updates or Microsoft Update has automatically installed this
update. No additional action is required to update the Windows operating
system software.

The update that this article describes is also supported by Windows XP
Service Pack 3 (SP3).

Note This update is not included in Windows XP SP3. If you have already
applied Windows XP SP2, and you then apply Windows XP SP3, you do not have
to reapply this update. If you have not applied Windows XP SP2, and then you
apply Windows SP3, you must apply this update after you apply Windows XP
SP3."

I might just set the time manually and deselect the tick mark in the box
that says: "Automatically synchronize with an Internet time server" until
next Sunday.

I wonder if this is still going to be a problem when we go back on Daylight
savings Time next Spring.

Alan
 
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Joe Zygala

Alan,

I decided to run the Daylight Savings Time tool at
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/dst_hu1 to see if that helped. Even though I
have SP3, I selected the option to install the one for XP SP2, as after
reading through other stuff in the knowledge base it appears that the update
should only affect some time zone entries in the registry. It did work. I
think my problem was that I had to rebuild my system after some previous
problems and went directly from SP1 to SP3. SP3 evidently does not include
the time zone changes (neither did SP2 for that matter). So, you have to
apply this change to your system. Perhaps you had a similar situation. As I
said, in any case the utility worked and I am now officially on DST!
 
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Joe Zygala

Alan,

The only thing I can suggest is to read through the links that PA Bear
supplied earlier in this thread. It deals with not being able to do
additional updates in an environment such as you and I have - having done a
reinstall pre-SP3 then doing the SP3 update. I have not yet done this, so
have no feedback.

Why the DST update worked on my system but not on yours? I have no clue
other than what I said in the previous paragraph. Not being at all a Windows
expert, I can supply no further guidance. Good luck!
 
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Alan

Hi Joe,

This computer came with SP2, which I upgraded to SP3 in May.

About a month ago, I did a Windows Repair install using the SP2 CD that came
with the machine. At that point I was back to SP2 so I re-installed SP3.

I just downloaded the DST patch from the link you provided.

As it turns out, it is the same file that I had downloaded from
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951072. However, I did download the file
from your link and tried running it. I received the same message as
yesterday: ""Update cannot be installed as a newer or same timezone update
has already been
installed on the system."

Alan
 
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Alias ;-)

Alan said:
Joe,

After I did the repair install, I did have to re-register certain DLLs as
described in the article that PA Bear posted, in order to be able to use
Window Updates again.

I just went to the Windows Update site and performed a Custom scan; there
were no updates related to DST that were offered.

At this point, I think I'll just wait until the official end of DST this
coming Sunday and worry about DST again in March 2009. :)

Alan

I have SP3 and this past Sunday daylight savings time kicked in and XP
recognized it and changed the clock.

Alias
 
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Alan

Joe,

After I did the repair install, I did have to re-register certain DLLs as
described in the article that PA Bear posted, in order to be able to use
Window Updates again.

I just went to the Windows Update site and performed a Custom scan; there
were no updates related to DST that were offered.

At this point, I think I'll just wait until the official end of DST this
coming Sunday and worry about DST again in March 2009. :)

Alan
 
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Alias ;-)

Alan said:
Hi Alias,

You say that this past Sunday daylight savings time kicked in, so it sounds
as if you are in the Southern hemisphere.

I'm in the Eastern Time Zone of the USA, and here in the USA -- and Canada I
believe -- Daylight Savings Time ends this coming Sunday.

I wonder if it makes any difference what Time Zone someone is in as to
whether the DST 'fix' works or not.

Alan

I'm in Europe. We do it a week before you do. Wait until next week and
see what happens. I predict your computer's clock will change automagically.

Alias
 
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Alan

Hi Alias,

You say that this past Sunday daylight savings time kicked in, so it sounds
as if you are in the Southern hemisphere.

I'm in the Eastern Time Zone of the USA, and here in the USA -- and Canada I
believe -- Daylight Savings Time ends this coming Sunday.

I wonder if it makes any difference what Time Zone someone is in as to
whether the DST 'fix' works or not.

Alan
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

Please feel free to begin a new threadd about /your/ problem to avoid
confusion, Alan. Thanks.
 

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