Windows XP OEM

[Guest]

I agree with you, WGA is a major pain the posterior, all the opinions and all
the argueing will come down to this Microsoft and their WGA will make the
final decisions, I said and I still say, replace the MB and be prepared to
buy a new copy of xp, if you manage to not have to do that GREAT, GOOD for
you, many others are not going to be so lucky, I've read in the WGA
newsgroup, that even replacing the HD can cause a situation where you are
told to buy a new copy of XP, SO
You take your chances, with lovely MS and their customer unfriendly WGA

 

[-~Alias~-]

I agree with you, WGA is a major pain the posterior, all the opinions and all
the argueing will come down to this Microsoft and their WGA will make the
final decisions, I said and I still say, replace the MB and be prepared to
buy a new copy of xp, if you manage to not have to do that GREAT, GOOD for
you, many others are not going to be so lucky, I've read in the WGA
newsgroup, that even replacing the HD can cause a situation where you are
told to buy a new copy of XP, SO
You take your chances, with lovely MS and their customer unfriendly WGA

You are very ill informed to say the least. How many motherboards/hard
drives have you changed that caused this problem for you? I've changed
three on my computers and know of hundreds more that a friend of mine in
the computer business has changed with no problems whatsoever.

Until you can come up with some proof other than hot air, your
credibility is zero.

Alias

 

[-~Alias~-]

I was running under sgopus's assumptions. I see that your position is
different..
I don't intend to take a side yet because I haven't looked nito it. But
to you I would ask.

If upgrading a machine is ok, then surely if you "upgrade" (change) the
MBRD and case, then it's a dfiferent machine. What if you change every
part?

Been there, done that, except the case and the power cord and it
activated on line. Next?

Replacing a defective MB or upgrading a motherboard does not a "new
computer" make. A computer is a combination of many components and MS
has remained vague on this subject for obvious reasons.

If you have a generic OEM version of XP, read the EULA. The word
"motherboard" is not used once, much less referred to as "the computer".

Alias

 

[Rock]

I agree with you, WGA is a major pain the posterior, all the opinions and all
the argueing will come down to this Microsoft and their WGA will make the
final decisions, I said and I still say, replace the MB and be prepared to
buy a new copy of xp, if you manage to not have to do that GREAT, GOOD for
you, many others are not going to be so lucky, I've read in the WGA
newsgroup, that even replacing the HD can cause a situation where you are
told to buy a new copy of XP, SO
You take your chances, with lovely MS and their customer unfriendly WGA

<snip>

So you've changed your posture from the previous post where you stated,

"....you stand a chance if the hd crashes of having to get an entire new
copy of XP..."

Now it's that you've, "...read in the WGA newsgroup, that even replacing
the HD can cause a situation where you are told to buy a new copy of XP...".

Assuming that message did display, it's misleading. A new copy of XP is
not needed.

Maybe you will stop spreading inaccurate information.

 

[Guest]

<snip>

So you've changed your posture from the previous post where you stated,

"....you stand a chance if the hd crashes of having to get an entire new
copy of XP..."

Now it's that you've, "...read in the WGA newsgroup, that even replacing
the HD can cause a situation where you are told to buy a new copy of XP...".

Assuming that message did display, it's misleading. A new copy of XP is
not needed.

Maybe you will stop spreading inaccurate information.

You guys sure like to argue, I gave my link where I got the info, so you can
stuff it
where the sun don't shine

 

[-~Alias~-]

in fact read this Oh annoying one!

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm

Um, that applies to system builders, not end users that buy OEM generic
versions of XP, oh ill informed one!

Alias

 

[-~Alias~-]

You guys sure like to argue, I gave my link where I got the info, so you can
stuff it
where the sun don't shine

And you can believe the FUD and spend your hard earned cash on licenses
you don't need to buy.

Alias

 

[Rock]

:




You guys sure like to argue, I gave my link where I got the info, so you can
stuff it
where the sun don't shine

Except your info is wrong. A hard drive change does not require a new
OEM XP copy. You have lost whatever credibility you might have had -
first by posting a false statement, then fudging it, then posting this
invective.

People make mistakes, are misinformed or some times just blow it, but
then the way to handle it is to admit it and move on.

The important thing is to give accurate info to the people who post here
for help.

 

[q_q_anonymous]

Been there, done that, except the case and the power cord and it
activated on line. Next?

Replacing a defective MB or upgrading a motherboard does not a "new
computer" make. A computer is a combination of many components and MS
has remained vague on this subject for obvious reasons.

If you have a generic OEM version of XP, read the EULA. The word
"motherboard" is not used once, much less referred to as "the computer".

Alias

so the license is vague. Clearly the other side agree on that, since
they use a clarification from microsoft to make their case. You deny
that there is any clarification from microsoft, even given the obvious
evidence.

If you think the license is vague, who are you to say one way or the
other '*whether* *or not*' changing every single computer part or
certain computer parts makes it a new computer? All you've said is
that the term "the computer" is not used.

So far it appears that going by the vague license, it doesn't say
anything conclusive! It doesn't even use the phrase "the computer".. So
the best you can say or have said, is that anybody that claims anything
about what the license says regarding which changes are allowed and
which are not allowed, has no case. I think they would agree with
you. They just say they have a clarfication that specifies which
part(s). The MBRD.

 

[-~Alias~-]

so the license is vague.

Actually, it isn't. Have you read it?

Clearly the other side agree on that, since
they use a clarification from microsoft to make their case. You deny
that there is any clarification from microsoft, even given the obvious
evidence.

What they post is for system builders like Dell. Please do more
research. Read this for end users or for people who build their own
computers like me:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

If you think the license is vague, who are you to say one way or the
other '*whether* *or not*' changing every single computer part or
certain computer parts makes it a new computer?

Because I am the OEM building the computer and it's up to me what I want
to allow to be upgraded. DUH!

All you've said is

that the term "the computer" is not used.

No, I said the word "motherboard" is not mentioned. Do you have a
reading comprehension problem?

So far it appears that going by the vague license, it doesn't say
anything conclusive! It doesn't even use the phrase "the computer".. So
the best you can say or have said, is that anybody that claims anything
about what the license says regarding which changes are allowed and
which are not allowed, has no case. I think they would agree with
you. They just say they have a clarfication that specifies which
part(s). The MBRD.

Yawn, I am not a system builder and therefore I am not bound by the
system builder's EULA. Further proof is that I have been continually
upgrading three computers and have never, ever, had a problem with WPA.

Alias

 

[q_q_anonymous]

Actually, it isn't. Have you read it?


What they post is for system builders like Dell. Please do more
research. Read this for end users or for people who build their own
computers like me:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx


Because I am the OEM building the computer and it's up to me what I want
to allow to be upgraded. DUH!

All you've said is

No, I said the word "motherboard" is not mentioned. Do you have a
reading comprehension problem?


Yawn, I am not a system builder and therefore I am not bound by the
system builder's EULA. Further proof is that I have been continually
upgrading three computers and have never, ever, had a problem with WPA.

Alias

fair enough. You've brought in some new evidence, and made a statement
that their evidence clarifying hasn't been applied properly.
You've also said that the lock is technical - WPA. So, this needn't
even be a matter of law. Merely of running a few experiements. Which
you've said you've done.

It's possible that WPA doesn't properly implement the license.

If I had time i'd look into it - the license, clarification, your link,
your comments as to applicability. Suggested tests with WPA ..

Thanks for the many clarifications and concise critical comments to
posts from the other side.

I'm sure it's useful to people. It is archived and available for all to
learn from.

 

[Guest]

not my invective, sorry someone else wrote that, mine is likely to more profane

 

[-~Alias~-]

fair enough. You've brought in some new evidence, and made a statement
that their evidence clarifying hasn't been applied properly.
You've also said that the lock is technical - WPA. So, this needn't
even be a matter of law. Merely of running a few experiements. Which
you've said you've done.

It's possible that WPA doesn't properly implement the license.

If I had time i'd look into it - the license, clarification, your link,
your comments as to applicability. Suggested tests with WPA ..

Thanks for the many clarifications and concise critical comments to
posts from the other side.

I'm sure it's useful to people. It is archived and available for all to
learn from.

If you want problems with WPA, install the same copy of XP with the same
Product Key on two computers simultaneously and install it on one five
days before you install it on another. You'll have problems whether it's
retail or OEM and I have no problem with that because I have agreed to
only install it on one computer.

Alias