Windows XP OEM

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Guest

Hello, Can XP home OEM version with CD and COA sticker be used for hardware
upgrades such as the MB or do I need the Retail version only. I do not mean
just coa sticker but both CD and COA. Isn't the difference beween OEM and
retail Just the box and maybe manual ?

Also what is a Windows XP Home Gateway CD Will Work for Any System.
-- http://anysoftwares.com/default.aspx?Page=34&104=2588

Can I do major upgrades with this CD ?

orchirdchild
 
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Carey Frisch [MVP]

OEM versions of Windows XP:

-- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
-- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
-- cannot be transferred to a different computer or if motherboard is upgraded.
-- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.
-- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
-- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the "seller".
-- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.

Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!


--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

Enjoy all the benefits of genuine Microsoft software:
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.mspx

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| Hello, Can XP home OEM version with CD and COA sticker be used for hardware
| upgrades such as the MB or do I need the Retail version only. I do not mean
| just coa sticker but both CD and COA. Isn't the difference beween OEM and
| retail Just the box and maybe manual ?
|
| Also what is a Windows XP Home Gateway CD Will Work for Any System.
| -- http://anysoftwares.com/default.aspx?Page=34&104=2588
|
| Can I do major upgrades with this CD ?
|
| orchirdchild
 
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Ghostrider

steve said:
Hello, Can XP home OEM version with CD and COA sticker be used for hardware
upgrades such as the MB or do I need the Retail version only. I do not mean
just coa sticker but both CD and COA. Isn't the difference beween OEM and
retail Just the box and maybe manual ?

Other than the packaging, how an OEM version of Windows XP
may be used actually depends on the licensing agreement, as
stated in the EULA. Succinctly, the license is valid for only
the first motherboard in which it is installed. What the user
actually does is limited by whether or not XP can be activated
afer subsequent installs. But this is more of an ethical issue.
Also what is a Windows XP Home Gateway CD Will Work for Any System.
-- http://anysoftwares.com/default.aspx?Page=34&104=2588

Can I do major upgrades with this CD ?

One needs to really think what one is getting for $44.99. There
is nothing that states how genuine this version is or whether it
is bios-locked or not for a Gateway system. Nor is this a current
version of XP being retailed, i.e., XP-SP2,leaving the buyer to
possibly download SP2 and going through WGA in the process.

Do you feel lucky?
 
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Gordon

Other than the packaging, how an OEM version of Windows XP
may be used actually depends on the licensing agreement, as
stated in the EULA. Succinctly, the license is valid for only
the first motherboard in which it is installed. What the user
actually does is limited by whether or not XP can be activated
afer subsequent installs. But this is more of an ethical issue.


Umm no - this is the source of all the debate. the EULA does NOT say "the
first motherboard". My EULA, which is OEM, says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about
what does or does not constitute a computer. All it says is that I may
install on one machine, and that I may have to reactivate if I upgrade or
modify the hardware. That is all.
The System Builder agreement, on the other hand, to which the purchaser of
the OEM copy of windows does *NOT* agree and *never* *sees*, says
different.

That is why MS has NEVER tested this in court as it knows full well that any
competent judge would throw the case out.
 
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Guest

Well, this should apply to just a oem COA sticker purchased without the CD. I
cannot believe everybody that builds a computer uses the retail version ? I
also have a hard time believing everytime we want a upgrade a motherboard
we must go buy another license and toss the old in the garbage. Talk about
someone getting rich.
 
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Guest

Steve,

As long as you have an open source OEM version of XP then you are good to
upgrade your Motherboard you will just have to run a repair install before
booting. Now if you have an OEM from a major manufacturer (ie. Dell, HP, or
Gateway) then you may run into some problems. I have replaced many
motherboards with Windows XP OEM versions. Most I had to call to activate
the version of windows and told them it had a motherboard upgrade and they
gave me an activation code. I wouldn't follow Carey's advice in buying a
retail version you can go online to Newegg and get an OEM version from them
for cheaper if you need a new version.

Good Luck,

Joe

Kemco Technician
 
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Guest

Steve,

If you've bought an open source OEM version of XP then you are free to
change motherboards all you want. System builders use OEM versions not
retail versions. No worries if you've bought an OEM copy then you are good
to change the motherboard just make sure you either repair install windows or
format and clean install windows before booting. Then you may have to call
Activation but it is pretty painless but I would suggest typing in the
numbers on the phone rather than speaking them to the automated voice, avoids
screwups.

Good Luck

Joe

Kemco Technician
 
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Harry Ohrn MS MVP

OEM versions are tied to the first system they are installed on. You can
swap out hardware as you wish. At some point though you will be required to
reactivate. This might result in a phone call to the Microsoft Activation
Center. From the Activation Center you might be directed to a live person
who will assist you in activation however I have had experiences with OEM
versions where the automated activation center simply tells me that I can
not activate and I am not transferred to a live person. So it's a bit of a
crap shoot with OEM versions and one reason why OEM versions are much
cheaper than retail versions.

As for the heading explained this particular OEM can be installed on any
computer has to do with it not being BIOS locked. Some OEM versions that
come pre-installed on computers are built so that they will not recognize
the BIOS of any other system. This means it can not be installed on the same
system if you swap out the motherboard as the BIOS will be changed and the
OEM version will say No Go.
 
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Bruce Chambers

steve said:
Well, this should apply to just a oem COA sticker purchased without the CD.


Why? There is no such thing as a *legitimate* sale involving only the CoA.

I
cannot believe everybody that builds a computer uses the retail version ? I
also have a hard time believing everytime we want a upgrade a motherboard
we must go buy another license and toss the old in the garbage.


Where'd you get such silly ideas? None of that applies.





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Guest

It is usually cheaper to buy just the COA and maybe we do not need the
install disk. Why pay extra to get the CD if we already have one. That is
why most people were buying these COAs in the first place since they do not
need the CD.
orchirdchild
 
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

If you are buying just the COA without a CD or anything else, there is a
high probability the product you buy is not legitimate since it is an
incomplete product.

To a degree OEMs can buy just the COA from Microsoft, but they need to
provide some way of restoring the computer.
Unless you are an OEM, that does not apply to you.
Buying the COA does not make you an OEM.

Another clue the sale is not legitimate:
Do you buy just the COA directly from Microsoft?
If you purchase through any type of middleman...Warning.
I wonder how many of these have Activation or WGA issues when the buyers
mistakenly believe what they have is genuine?
 
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Donald McDaniel

OEM versions of Windows XP:

-- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
-- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
-- cannot be transferred to a different computer or if motherboard is upgraded.
-- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.
-- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
-- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the "seller".
-- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.

Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!


NOTE that the OEM EULA says absolutely NOTHING about "motherboard
upgrades" (or "upgrades", for that matter). If you have trouble with
the Activation Wizard, simply tell the Activation person NOTHING about
your "upgrades", since it is none of their business what you do to
your machine.

Now, if you want to transfer your license to ANOTHER machine, (or a
second machine, or if you want to TRANSFER the license to a different
person, you must abide by the EULA), and must purchase a new license
if you want to continue using XP.

Those who built their own machines are their OWN support, and have the
right to decide the "upgrade" options for their own machines.

If you don't feel safe with installing your Generic OEM product,
simply purchase the OFFICIAL "Retail Upgrade" for LESS than $175 from
Amazon.com. Why pay Microsoft $300 when there is no need to
(especially if you already have valid versions of a Microsoft OS (from
Win95-2k).

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Donald L McDaniel
Please Reply to the Original Thread.
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-Alias-

Carey said:
OEM versions of Windows XP:
-- cannot be transferred to a different computer or if motherboard is upgraded.

Why do you lie? I just upgraded three motherboards on three computers,
all running a generic OEM XP. All activated on line, no phone call
necessary. NOWHERE in the EULA that I have does it mention the word
"motherboard".

Alias
 
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Donald McDaniel

It is usually cheaper to buy just the COA and maybe we do not need the
install disk. Why pay extra to get the CD if we already have one. That is
why most people were buying these COAs in the first place since they do not
need the CD.
orchirdchild

Sorry, Steve. While I am all for using Generic OEM licenses of XP, I
am ALWAYS for the user abiding by the terms of the OEM EULA.

The facts are, these stand-alone COAs are NOT sold according to the
terms of the License, and are therefore in violation of the License.

The LEAST you will get away with when purchasing a valid XP license is
by purchasing a "Generic" OEM edition (these are produced by Microsoft
themselves, not a third-party system manufacturer). In addition, this
license MUST be sold along with a "necessary hardware item", such as a
powercord or mouse. Many sellers will include the "necessary hardware
item" in the purchase price. Do NOT purchase so-called "DSP OEM"
editions of XP, unless it also comes with a complete system, and the
copy was produced by the system builder which built the machine (or a
licensed third-party who produces the media for the system builder).
These are usually sold by major system builders. If you purchase one
"stand-alone", it is almost ALWAYS a "pull" from a machine which was
returned, or is excess stock. These "stand-alone" DSP copies are NOT
properly licensed.

By the way, there is no such thing as an "open source" license of XP.
Windows XP is NOT an "open source" OS, and ALL the code for the OS
belongs EXCLUSIVELY to Microsoft. Do NOT purchase ANY so-called
"open-source" copies of XP, since they are more than probably PIRATED,
which is why such copies are usually so cheap. While Microsoft HAS
released older PORTIONS of it's PAST OS software to "open-source",
this "open-source" license is NOT the "GNU Public License", and as far
as I know, NOTHING of XP is released to "open-source".

If I'm not mistaken, it IS possible to purchase a COA directly from
Microsoft, but it will usually be priced at about 10%-12% below the
RETAIL price of an official Microsoft boxed copy, not $44.95. In
addition, you must ALREADY own a valid (Retail) license of XP (and
therefore the distribution Media) to do this.

This is why many purchase Generic OEMs. We can purchase them for
$120-$150, rather than $299 (the Retail price of XP). But make sure
you purchase a TRUE "Generic" OEM. I usually purchase mine directly
from Amazon.com, which always guarantees their authenticity. Just
remember the limitations of this type of license. They may be $10-$15
more expensive than most OEMs, but they will be genuine.

True "Generic" OEM copies will ALWAYS have FULL edge-to-edge
MULTI-COLORED (and very vivid) holograms. OEMs produced by system
builders are many times silver, and with very indistinct holograms.
These indistinct "holograms" are probably printed on the CDs, rather
than made part of the physical manufacturing of the CDs themselves (or
they are very cheaply manufactured.)

In addition, OEMS produced by system builders will many times have
BRANDED COAs. This is especially true for so-called "DSPs" and
"pulls".


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Donald L McDaniel
Please Reply to the Original Thread.
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Bruce Chambers

steve said:
It is usually cheaper to buy just the COA and maybe we do not need the
install disk. Why pay extra to get the CD if we already have one. That is
why most people were buying these COAs in the first place since they do not
need the CD.
orchirdchild

It's cheaper because it's not legal.

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