Windows Vista?

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Then the answer is simple, stay with the current hardware , build your own,
buy from a local dealer.
Those and other options allow people to continue to use the current OS or an
OS of your choice.
If someone is forced to buy Vista or any other OS, they are ignoring or
unaware of their options of which there are many.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Why are you forced to buy anything?
Keep your current configuration.
You as well as everyone else has a choice, use it.
If you but Vista or any other OS for that matter, it is because you chose to
buy it.

 

[GO]

I just finished stating that the average computer user (ie the vast majority
of users out there) are unaware of their options. Your average user who
goes out to buy a new PC really has no choice. They are not going to want
to build their own PC and will end up buying a complete system and Windows
(Vista) will come bundled with it, even from a local dealer. And asking to
have Windows not included is useless as the price difference is so neglible
most people will decide to take it. Also, once Vista hits the shelves the
XP will become next to impossible to obtains, just as Win2k was when XP was
released.

I'm through debating this as there is no way in getting through to you
clones and your pimping of MS. And besides, all I really wanted to know is
what Vista has to offer.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

If people are unaware of their options, that does not mean there is no
choice.
People need to educate themselves before investing their money.
If they choose not to, they live with the result of that choice.
But the choice is there.
Windows XP as well as other options will probably be available for several
more years.
Your denying the choice exists does not make it so.

Calling others names as you have is a sure sign you lack the ability to
discuss since you need to prop your point with an insult.
There are others capable of discussing your point without the need to
insult, leave the task to those more qualified.

 

[Kelly]

And over time Vista will become the dominant Windows OS, which will in

turn result in new applications being written that won't be backwards
compatible.

Did you suffer the same within XP? If so, which are/were they?

My main complaint, is that the systems bought off the shelf or online (97%
of the time) are XP Home and the hard drive (80-200) is not partitioned.
Makes it awfully difficult to aid others bringing their systems in here to
my shop with OEM's, for many reasons.

--

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

 

[GO]

Did you suffer the same within XP? If so, which are/were they?

Nothing specific as of yet. But there is one primary example just on the
horizon. IE7 will not be able run on Win2k (or lower). And from as far as
I know/understand there is absolutely no reason besides MS's decision not to
make it happen. I could understand it possibly not running on Win9x but 2k
and XP share the virtually identical code base.

 

[GO]

I'm not calling anyone names, just stating how I perceive the MVPs in this
group, again....not all MVPs
Maybe I do lack the ability to discuss but perhaps it is because I am trying
to discuss things with people that seem programmed to only see one side of
things.

Yes, in a perfect world it would be nice for people to educate themselves
before making purchases. But is it going to happen? Not likely. And yes,
ultimately it is their fault, but we cannot change human nature, yet we all
have to suffer because of it, and MS is taking advantage of that fact. As
you said XP will most likely be available for several more years but if
someone wants it it would be at an additional price for someone that wants
it with a new computer, as the Windows that comes bundled with computers (in
this case it will be Vista) is virtually free.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Windows 98 SE was available in stores as well as installed on new computers
up to 3 years ago, possibly more recent where I lived at the time.
Going by that alone Windows XP has at least 3 years from now and that is
easily done even for average people if they do a little research.
If they are a little more capable or do a little more research, Systems with
almost any OS will be available for the foreseeable future since most if not
all versions of Windows are still readily available.

The degree that Microsoft takes advantage could be endlessly debated. But
are the buyers talking to Microsoft and taking their buying suggestions?
More likely there is a salesperson from another company.
That person shares the blame if the buyer is not informed.
What about knowledgeable friends and family of the buyer?
Shouldn't they help those less informed?
There is blame to go to many places, to place blame at one source and ignore
others sets the buyer up for continued mistakes.

Buyers MUST become educated or risk themselves becoming proof of what PT
Barnum once said.

 

[SC]

Calling others names as you have is a sure sign you lack the ability to

discuss since you need to prop your point with an insult.
There are others capable of discussing your point without the need to
insult, leave the task to those more qualified.

And this, my friend, is nothing more than a glorified insult from you.

 

[Alias]

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote

Why are you forced to buy anything?
Keep your current configuration.
You as well as everyone else has a choice, use it.
If you but Vista or any other OS for that matter, it is because you chose
to buy it.

I can tell you I am not going to buy it until it has been out for at least a
year.

 

[listener]

Then the answer is simple, stay with the current hardware , build your
own, buy from a local dealer.
Those and other options allow people to continue to use the current OS
or an OS of your choice.
If someone is forced to buy Vista or any other OS, they are ignoring
or unaware of their options of which there are many.

Which one of the big dealers (Dell, Gateway, HP etc..), and even little
ones can I call today to buy a desktop with Win98se preloaded?

Choices?

 

[listener]

Why are you forced to buy anything?
Keep your current configuration.
You as well as everyone else has a choice, use it.
If you but Vista or any other OS for that matter, it is because you
chose to buy it.

Where can I "choose" to buy a computer TODAY preloaded with Win98se, or
Millenium, NT, Win95, or how about Windows 3.1?

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Have you tried your local shops?
Just about all Microsoft OSs are easily available.
The big OEMs do not sell the older OSs, but most anyone including the
smaller shops can easily locate them if someone wanted a computer with that
OS.

Yes there are choices.
In the case of Windows 98 you would have to choose another source other than
the big OEM.
You probably can not buy a Model T from Ford, but to say they are not
available ignores other options.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Talk to your local computer shops.
They can do it if they want since those are readily available.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

None. Windows 98/98SE is considered "obsolete".

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx

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| Which one of the big dealers (Dell, Gateway, HP etc..), and even little
| ones can I call today to buy a desktop with Win98se preloaded?
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| Choices?

 

[Alias]

Which one of the big dealers (Dell, Gateway, HP etc..), and even little
ones can I call today to buy a desktop with Win98se preloaded?

Choices?

Pirated or legit Win98SE?

 

[Sparda]

None. Windows 98/98SE is considered "obsolete".

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security
Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx

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| Which one of the big dealers (Dell, Gateway, HP etc..), and
even little
| ones can I call today to buy a desktop with Win98se
preloaded?
|
| Choices?

"Windows 98/98SE is considered "obsolete"."

Thats true, but dosnt mean you carnt buy it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7171265325&category=41884&rd=1

 

[Al Smith]

The bottom line is that I am getting tired of MS's practices as of

late and this new OS seems to be no exception. MS has been boasting about
it for a long time now with all these new and exciting innovations, all of
which have been removed/postponed now, so I am just wondering what's left to
warrant a new OS release?

Greed.

 

[adamfletcherone]

People will get used to "Vista", just like they have got used to
"Windows"!

Adam,
http://www.vistaarticles.com

 

[Alpha]

Maybe so. However, your link is certainly hugely underwhelming. I see
nothing of use there.