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wojo
kurttrail said:
Wow we're all just so friendly with each other today.
Brought a tear to my eye
Wow we're all just so friendly with each other today.
Brought a tear to my eye
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
You're welcome, Wojo.
In the context in which Unknown mentioned antivirus, I was under the
impression he was making a point about AV software and issues it can cause
versus those of driver issues. That seemed to spiral a bit into whether or
not AV software should even be used.
In the context of whether or not it should be installed and used, my answer
is an unequivocal yes. I don't want to give any user the impression they
could be so careful as to avoid that need.
That said, it seemed to me that Unknown wasn't suggesting that no one should
install such software and that he was limiting his view to specialized cases
of very experienced users.
In my view, that still leaves too much to chance. You can get a virus from
a website without having consciously downloaded anything simply by clicking
an item at the website, it doesn't have to be an ad or a popup, just some
malicious code. I don't think you can simply say, well, I'll never go to
such a site because you can't always know before you get their that you
haven't responded to a ruse for exactly that purpose.
As I and other's in the MVP program check the newsgroups, we try to watch
for such posts and click the links ourselves to check the sites and post
warnings but we are not always here, we're not always online and personally,
I've just seen too many devious things go on from the bogus security e-mails
purporting to be from Microsoft that also include malicious attachments
(Microsoft never attaches security updates to its security notifications) to
people in some newsgroups posting a virus that executes when you open the
post.
Many times my AV software has saved me from such malicious posts and that's
certainly an instance where regardless of knowledge or how careful you are,
you can become an innocent victim.
There are enough different antivirus applications out there that people
should be able to find one that offers them the needed protection without
them having to incur the problems that some such applications can cause.
Some weigh very heavy on the system, some are quite lite and virtually all
offer free trial versions that would allow users to test to see which works
best with their setup.
In the context in which Unknown mentioned antivirus, I was under the
impression he was making a point about AV software and issues it can cause
versus those of driver issues. That seemed to spiral a bit into whether or
not AV software should even be used.
In the context of whether or not it should be installed and used, my answer
is an unequivocal yes. I don't want to give any user the impression they
could be so careful as to avoid that need.
That said, it seemed to me that Unknown wasn't suggesting that no one should
install such software and that he was limiting his view to specialized cases
of very experienced users.
In my view, that still leaves too much to chance. You can get a virus from
a website without having consciously downloaded anything simply by clicking
an item at the website, it doesn't have to be an ad or a popup, just some
malicious code. I don't think you can simply say, well, I'll never go to
such a site because you can't always know before you get their that you
haven't responded to a ruse for exactly that purpose.
As I and other's in the MVP program check the newsgroups, we try to watch
for such posts and click the links ourselves to check the sites and post
warnings but we are not always here, we're not always online and personally,
I've just seen too many devious things go on from the bogus security e-mails
purporting to be from Microsoft that also include malicious attachments
(Microsoft never attaches security updates to its security notifications) to
people in some newsgroups posting a virus that executes when you open the
post.
Many times my AV software has saved me from such malicious posts and that's
certainly an instance where regardless of knowledge or how careful you are,
you can become an innocent victim.
There are enough different antivirus applications out there that people
should be able to find one that offers them the needed protection without
them having to incur the problems that some such applications can cause.
Some weigh very heavy on the system, some are quite lite and virtually all
offer free trial versions that would allow users to test to see which works
best with their setup.
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
Thanks, Kurt.
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wojo
My impression differed when it came to AV software.
At first I wasn't sure which way he was going with the comment but in a
later post he tells me
"Why don't you delete all your virus programs, use common sense and see how
a computer should run. There are far more (magnitudes) of problems caused by
virus detect programs than problems prevented"
I take that to mean your better off without AV software to which I respond
that the idea is ridiculous.
At first I wasn't sure which way he was going with the comment but in a
later post he tells me
"Why don't you delete all your virus programs, use common sense and see how
a computer should run. There are far more (magnitudes) of problems caused by
virus detect programs than problems prevented"
I take that to mean your better off without AV software to which I respond
that the idea is ridiculous.
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
Don't push it, Wojo!<VBG>
Coming from Kurt, I took it as a major compliment!
Coming from Kurt, I took it as a major compliment!
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
I thought he was asking that of you specifically, essentially in response to
assertions about drivers. While it certainly implies that is his view, I'm
not sure he is suggesting everyone should do this and I've responded
elsewhere in this thread, I think that's a bad idea for even the most
experienced of users.
assertions about drivers. While it certainly implies that is his view, I'm
not sure he is suggesting everyone should do this and I've responded
elsewhere in this thread, I think that's a bad idea for even the most
experienced of users.
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wojo
lol, I agree
Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User) said:Don't push it, Wojo!<VBG>
Coming from Kurt, I took it as a major compliment!
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Windows Shell/User
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wojo
You might be right, might have been aimed at me. Guess I'm not popular with
him (aww shucks)
I think it's not only a bad idea for even the most experienced users but
also most experienced users wouldn't even consider it.
him (aww shucks)
I think it's not only a bad idea for even the most experienced users but
also most experienced users wouldn't even consider it.
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kurttrail
Michael said:
ROFL!
Coming from Kurt, I took it as a major compliment!
And I sincerely meant it!
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Peace!
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
Thanks, Kurt, greatly appreciated!
K
kurttrail
huh said:
There is nothing wrong with cross-posting, if there was, then MS would not
have put the ability to cross-post into OE.
And 4 newsgroups isn't even half of MS's XP newgroups, let alone the whole
of USENET.
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Peace!
Kurt
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"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
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kurttrail
Unknown said:
And how do you know this?
Correct, but you will only find the latest 'signed' drivers on the video
card manufacturers web site, not on Windows Update. And none of this has
anything to do with whether the WinUpate drivers are generic or not.
My ATI AIW 9700 Pro isn't old or unsupported by the manufacterer, and MS has
a driver for it on WinUpate. The latest driver that MS hosts for it was
issued in December of 2003. The latest 'signed' driver on the ATI site was
issued April 7th of 2004. 3.19MBs for the WinUpdate driver, and 27.7MBs
for the one on ATI's site.
Missing from the WinUpdate drivers:
ATI Control Panel
Dual Display
Video Capture
Full Range of Screen Sizes & Refresh Rate that my card supports.
Plus much, much more.
I wouldn't even consider the drivers WinUpdate has for my card "generic."
More like minimalist, but I'm sure that if you are running some legacy video
card from the last century, WinUpate drivers will work just fine for you.
Actually, it's your lack of computer knowledge that's showing. Most modern
AV programs have a way to turn off real-time scanning, so you can turn off
it most obtrusive aspects, when you are off the internet doing memory
intensive things, like rendering the video of your kid's birthday, and turn
it back on, when you go back on the Wild, Wild Net to find & download the
Paris Hilton video. Best of both worlds. Now that's common sense.
You forgot about the crossing of fingers part! A few "Hail Mary's" wouldn't
hurt either.
He was speaking his opinion, and at least he wasn't try to pawn of his
opinion as fact. I bet you can't even program your VCR, let alone computer
code!
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Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
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wojo
kurttrail said:
Careful Kurt
I'm starting to like you <g>
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Guest
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Guest
I have a similar problem.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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neil
Hi,
Ignore the MS driver files unless you know of a very good reason to use
them. (they are generic drivers only) You always need to go to the
manufacturers website to use their drivers they are written specifically for
your hardware.
Neil
Ignore the MS driver files unless you know of a very good reason to use
them. (they are generic drivers only) You always need to go to the
manufacturers website to use their drivers they are written specifically for
your hardware.
Neil
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Wesley Vogel
Go to Windows Update | In the left head frame |
Under: Other Options | Click:
Personalize Windows Update | Click: Scan for updates |
Pick from the following items to specify what you see when you use Windows
Update. To apply your changes, click Save Settings.
Choose which categories and updates to display on Windows Update
Under: Other Options | Click:
Personalize Windows Update | Click: Scan for updates |
Pick from the following items to specify what you see when you use Windows
Update. To apply your changes, click Save Settings.
Choose which categories and updates to display on Windows Update
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Wesley Vogel
Go to Windows Update | In the left head frame |
Under: Other Options | Click:
Personalize Windows Update | Click: Scan for updates |
Pick from the following items to specify what you see when you use Windows
Update. To apply your changes, click Save Settings.
Choose which categories and updates to display on Windows Update
Under: Other Options | Click:
Personalize Windows Update | Click: Scan for updates |
Pick from the following items to specify what you see when you use Windows
Update. To apply your changes, click Save Settings.
Choose which categories and updates to display on Windows Update