Windows Security and Newsgroups

[Paul Adare - MVP]

I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will
contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who
uses it's services?

And you'd be wrong. Access is typically controlled by restricting the
subnet from which access can be gained to those subnets controlled by the
ISP in question. While there are some ISPs that use PPOE most are simply
direct connect with no user name or password required.

 

[Paul Montgomery]

I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will
contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who
uses it's services?

??

We use MODEMS, not routers.

In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it
isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the
switching station's end.

NO log-in credentials required.

Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with
multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer
connected to the modem.

 

[Paul Montgomery]

And you'd be wrong. Access is typically controlled by restricting the
subnet from which access can be gained to those subnets controlled by the
ISP in question. While there are some ISPs that use PPOE most are simply
direct connect with no user name or password required.

RCN - a struggling ISP/phone/cable provider - while not requiring
log-in credentials - does require that the modem be "registered" with
them. One either rents the modem from them - or buys their own - and
the machine ID is then allowed to connect.

Routers can be used at will behind the modem.

 

[Gordon]

??

We use MODEMS, not routers.

In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it
isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the
switching station's end.

NO log-in credentials required.

Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with
multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer
connected to the modem.

<sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a
Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you
access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you
have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...

 

[Gordon]

RCN - a struggling ISP/phone/cable provider - while not requiring
log-in credentials - does require that the modem be "registered" with
them. One either rents the modem from them - or buys their own - and
the machine ID is then allowed to connect.

Routers can be used at will behind the modem.

as I said - way to go USA!

 

[Paul Adare - MVP]

<sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a
Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you
access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you
have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...

<sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider
which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and
password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone
who isn't even on this continent.

 

[Paul Montgomery]

<sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a
Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you
access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you
have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...

<bigger sigh>

You're full of it Gordon.

I purchase my own modems. Are you saying that somehow my ISP
magically inserts the Username and Password?

You need some sleep.

 

[Paul Montgomery]

<sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider
which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and
password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone
who isn't even on this continent.

Please: we're "the Colonies" <harrumph!>

How does your explanation reconcile purchasing one's own modem (which
I did) and it works right out of the box?

The RCN cable company I mentioned earlier uses the MAC address method.
If one buys their own modem, all they have to do is call the support
desk and give them the MAC.

 

[Paul Montgomery]

<bigger sigh>

You're full of it Gordon.

I purchase my own modems. Are you saying that somehow my ISP
magically inserts the Username and Password?

You need some sleep.

I hope "Gordon" isn't the same "Gordon" running the web-hosting
service.

 

[Richard G. Harper]

<double sigh> You are both right and both wrong.

Paul - yeah, depending on your service, you put a username and password into
the MODEM. My DSL modem/router certainly does have a place to put my
username and password and if I don't put them in there it won't connect.

Gordon - yeah, that's true for DSL ... but for CABLE modems, there is no
place to put a username and password, the MAC address controls whether or
not you can access the Internet.

So both of you may wish to consider that your view depends entirely on the
direction one is looking in. ;-)

 

[Paul Adare - MVP]

Paul - yeah, depending on your service, you put a username and password into
the MODEM. My DSL modem/router certainly does have a place to put my
username and password and if I don't put them in there it won't connect.

You might to actually read the post of mine where I mentioned PPOE there
sport.

 

[Coogee]

Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got answer I
can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. I DO! Anyway
this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed yet - hard for me
to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL server, which I didn't
have before. So now I can't get mail or newsgroups. Such agita.

 

[JohnJ]

Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got answer
I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. I DO!
Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed yet - hard
for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL server, which I
didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or newsgroups. Such agita.

Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and
password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). But
sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and complain and see
where that goes.

John

 

[Coogee]

I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So that's
not the problem. Thanks for replying, though.

 

[FromTheRafters]

I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So that's
not the problem. Thanks for replying, though.

Have tou tried creating a new account (Standard User)
and setting up the NNTP account in that user account?
Maybe there's corruption in your admin user account data
or code.

 

[Paul Montgumdrop]

I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So
that's not the problem. Thanks for replying, though.

It's a problem on Vista. You were given information about how to go to
the account itself on WM, Outlook or whatever is being used and entering
the credentials again typing over the existing credentials and doing
send/recv of email or post/read on NNTP until the credentials hold. You
giving the credentials when being prompted is not going to work, as they
will not hold. It has to be done on the account iteslf off of Tools menu
and select the account and set it there.

And besides, they are going to be lost again, but it has not happened
for me in a long long time, knock on wood.

 

[Coogee]

As I said before, I have done this many, many times, just as you suggested.
My next try will be to follow the directions in
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/62560-windows-mail-problems.html Think
it will work?

 

[Paul Montgumdrop]

As I said before, I have done this many, many times, just as you
suggested. My next try will be to follow the directions in
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/62560-windows-mail-problems.html
Think it will work?

I don't know if anything in that link will correct the authentication
problems.

You might try deleting the account and creating the account again in
your client newsgroup reader and/or POP3/SMTP email programs.