Windows not load

[Beex]

something happened, now windows not loads: when power on PC, it stay black
screen, and there is no beep sound when OS start loading, just stay black
screen, also red LED is constantly ON. I was still able to load Windows for
a few times, but now I can no. Windows freezes very often at some mouse
movement or click, red LED is constantly ON, when I try Ctrl+Alt +Del - it
does not even shown - so I need do restart - but restart also not work, so I
need press power off buttton for some minute to force shutdown.

There was following symptoms before it occured: Firefox 3.x crashes very
often, so I did a system restore, this not help, Firefox still crashes, and
windows freezes frequently, I reinstalled Firefox, but still not help, and
in addition, Windows freezes and stops responding soon after loading.

 

[Beex]

I trust you have anything important backed up. You need to reinstall
Windows, Windows updates and all your programs. Have fun.

 

[VanguardLH]

something happened, now windows not loads: when power on PC, it stay black
screen, and there is no beep sound when OS start loading, just stay black
screen, also red LED is constantly ON. I was still able to load Windows for
a few times, but now I can no. Windows freezes very often at some mouse
movement or click, red LED is constantly ON, when I try Ctrl+Alt +Del - it
does not even shown - so I need do restart - but restart also not work, so I
need press power off buttton for some minute to force shutdown.

There was following symptoms before it occured: Firefox 3.x crashes very
often, so I did a system restore, this not help, Firefox still crashes, and
windows freezes frequently, I reinstalled Firefox, but still not help, and
in addition, Windows freezes and stops responding soon after loading.

If you see absolutely nothing painted on your monitor's screen during a
cold boot then you have a monitor problem. Before any OS is loaded, you
should see the POST screen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test

You say Windows "not loads" but never mention just how far into the boot
process your host gets. Then you mention Windows freezing which means
you have loaded Windows. Have you tried hitting the F8 key during the
boot to show the boot menu for Windows? If that works, just leave the
host paused on that screen for awhile to see if it remains or freezes,
locks up, or crashes. Maybe you have a heat problem.

Can you use F8 to boot into Windows' safe mode (with networking) and use
it that way?

 

[Beex]

If you see absolutely nothing painted on your monitor's screen during a
cold boot then you have a monitor problem. Before any OS is loaded, you
should see the POST screen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test

You say Windows "not loads" but never mention just how far into the boot
process your host gets. Then you mention Windows freezing which means
you have loaded Windows. Have you tried hitting the F8 key during the
boot to show the boot menu for Windows? If that works, just leave the
host paused on that screen for awhile to see if it remains or freezes,
locks up, or crashes. Maybe you have a heat problem.

Can you use F8 to boot into Windows' safe mode (with networking) and use
it that way?

well, I said, sometimes I was able load Windows - it worked for a short
time, than freeze and stop responding, and I can no open TaskManager via
Ctrl+Alt +Del, so only way press Shutdown button and wait a little. But I
was able load it 2-3 times, all seems worked normally, but then freezes..
Not load - when I press power ON, computer has a black screen, and i can’t
see anything on the screen, no beep, not even a flashing cursor; the fans
and the CPU seems to be running(?), monitor is plugged in, but right after
boot attempt it goes straight into Power Saving Mode.

 

[Don Phillipson]

something happened, now windows not loads: when power on PC, it stay black
screen, and there is no beep sound when OS start loading, just stay black
screen, also red LED is constantly ON. I was still able to load Windows
for
a few times, but now I can no. Windows freezes very often at some mouse
movement or click, red LED is constantly ON, when I try Ctrl+Alt +Del - it
does not even shown - so I need do restart - but restart also not work, so
I
need press power off buttton for some minute to force shutdown.

There was following symptoms before it occured: Firefox 3.x crashes very
often, so I did a system restore, this not help, Firefox still crashes,
and
windows freezes frequently, I reinstalled Firefox, but still not help, and
in addition, Windows freezes and stops responding soon after loading.

Probably either
1. Failure of Power Supply Unit (cf. software errors.)
2. Bad RAM chips.
3. Damage to the motherboard.

Specialist computer repair shops can test #1 and 2
(usually without charge, if you propose to buy replacements.)

 

[Paul]

something happened, now windows not loads: when power on PC, it stay black
screen, and there is no beep sound when OS start loading, just stay black
screen, also red LED is constantly ON. I was still able to load Windows for
a few times, but now I can no. Windows freezes very often at some mouse
movement or click, red LED is constantly ON, when I try Ctrl+Alt +Del - it
does not even shown - so I need do restart - but restart also not work, so I
need press power off buttton for some minute to force shutdown.

There was following symptoms before it occured: Firefox 3.x crashes very
often, so I did a system restore, this not help, Firefox still crashes, and
windows freezes frequently, I reinstalled Firefox, but still not help, and
in addition, Windows freezes and stops responding soon after loading.

Test the computer with an alternate OS. Download a Linux LiveCD and boot
with that.

http://www.ubuntu.com

If the computer is not stable, freezes or the like, you have a hardware
problem.

If the computer remains stable while running the Linux CD (like Ubuntu),
then something in the Windows software is the problem. For example,
malware and viruses can be responsible for the symptoms.

For example, this boot media can perform two functions for it. If it
boots and remains stable and does not crash, it will help identify
whether the hardware is OK. And since this is also an offline
virus scanner, it can look for malware. It would be a smaller
download, than a full Ubuntu CD. You can also load this on a USB flash
stick, and boot with it, as long as the computer BIOS supports USB
boot. For network connectivity, this uses DHCP, and assume the LAN
connection is already set up. As far as I know, this doesn't support
dialup networking. I think there is a web browser included in the
package.

http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208282163

Paul

 

[BillW50]

Test the computer with an alternate OS. Download a Linux LiveCD and boot
with that.

http://www.ubuntu.com

If the computer is not stable, freezes or the like, you have a hardware
problem...

I did that Paul! Although Windows XP was running fine, I just wanted to
try Linux Live. After all I was told it wouldn't hurt a thing.

WRONG! Linux Live toasted my Windows XP install! And after hundreds of
hours of investigation it turns out that Linux Live really touches your
Windows XP install. Oh it sounds harmless and all, as all it wants is to
borrow the Windows swap file for its own purpose.

The problem was that I was running Windows XP on a SSD. And excessive
writes kills SSD. So I turned off the XP swap file. Ubuntu Live in
return gets mad and toasts your Windows install.

So I think you should warn people Paul. So others don't make the same
mistake that I had.

 

[BillW50]

Running an Ubuntu Live CD will not toast your XP install. Turning off
your swap file like a natural born idiot will, though.

Really! Why does Windows XP runs well without one then if you have
plenty of RAM? Windows XP doesn't toast itself and runs just fine.

People like you are a bit slow when it comes to technical things. As RAM
is like a thousand times faster than a hard drive and you stupidly
rather use slower technology.

But what is stupid is Ubuntu! As it takes a perfectly running XP system
and toasts it. Yet clowns like you say it will never happen. But then
again, you people are clueless anyway.

I kind of like the Japanese legal system. As if you give out bad advice
and somebody gets harmed, you go to jail! That sure would clean up a lot
of the nonsense around here. ;-)

 

[Paul]

I did that Paul! Although Windows XP was running fine, I just wanted to
try Linux Live. After all I was told it wouldn't hurt a thing.

WRONG! Linux Live toasted my Windows XP install! And after hundreds of
hours of investigation it turns out that Linux Live really touches your
Windows XP install. Oh it sounds harmless and all, as all it wants is to
borrow the Windows swap file for its own purpose.

The problem was that I was running Windows XP on a SSD. And excessive
writes kills SSD. So I turned off the XP swap file. Ubuntu Live in
return gets mad and toasts your Windows install.

So I think you should warn people Paul. So others don't make the same
mistake that I had.

I can't report I've had a similar experience.

But my systems have nothing but hard drives.

The only practice I don't approve on, from the Linux community, is
"scanning" of drives as part of the startup sequence. Some LiveCD
distros, are known to "search" for a copy of the image you're booting
from. Presumably the purpose, is to do a loopback mount of the image,
as a replacement for accessing the CD itself. But I still don't
approve of monkey-business. A LiveCD should just mind its own business.

If you have a "toasted install", it sure would be nice to tell us what
got toasted, so we can judge the mechanism.

The older releases of Knoppix (5 series), used to bring up foreign
file systems read-only, as a precaution. (You had to tick something
in a dialog to go read/write.) But newer releases enable read/write
(presumably because the NTFS driver is now more trusted than it used to be).

And yes, I have seen re-use of the page file. The Kaspersky scanner,
which is based on Gentoo, seems to like to use the Windows pagefile
for swap. The easiest way to tell this, is to use the "top" command,
and see how much swap is evident in the display. Then, correlate that
with the size of pagefiles on your various partitions. It's not really
a big deal, but also not the best practice I can think of.

I've worked with plenty of older LiveCDs, where they don't provide swap automatically
(because there may be no place to put it), and if the OS is then put under
memory pressure, the OS will crash. (It seems at least a few LiveCDs,
have had poor tuning of a couple of kernel parameters. I've noticed
that improved on some of them, so somebody figured it out.) If you're
using one of the older LiveCDs, then either do your own "swapon", or at
least watch with vmstat, how full you're getting.

Paul

 

[VanguardLH]

well, I said, sometimes I was able load Windows - it worked for a short
time, than freeze and stop responding, and I can no open TaskManager via
Ctrl+Alt +Del, so only way press Shutdown button and wait a little. But I
was able load it 2-3 times, all seems worked normally, but then freezes..
Not load - when I press power ON, computer has a black screen, and i can¢t
see anything on the screen, no beep, not even a flashing cursor; the fans
and the CPU seems to be running(?), monitor is plugged in, but right after
boot attempt it goes straight into Power Saving Mode.

Sounds like a problem with the video card. Even before the system BIOS
loads, the video BIOS must load so you can actually see the POST and
system BIOS screens. If you don't hear any beep(s), the video or memory
is bad.

How many video controllers are in your host? Do you have onboard video
(on the motherboard)? Do you have a video daughercard in a slot? Do
you have both?

Did you check the fan on the video card's GPU is spinning?

 

[Beex]

Ok, it seems, I understand where can be a possible problem.
I opened a cover case and examined the motherboard (8 years now) and I can
see that electrolytic capacitors (5pcs, 3300mA x 6,3V) which is near the
CPU, have signs of capacity loss: one of them was a bit swelled and
inflated, other have obvious traces of leak of electrolyt. I think that
capacity loss of these 5 capacitors can cause a CPU malfunction, on which
the processor doesn't get normal voltage (especially after capacitors will
heat up). This can explain why sometimes I still can load Windows on cold
computer, but after it warm up, then it not function at all and all it
malfunction appear. I have passed a motherboard to the technician for
replacement of capacitors, will check my assumption Monday.


Regards,

 

[Trifle Menot]

Ok, it seems, I understand where can be a possible problem.
I opened a cover case and examined the motherboard (8 years now) and I can
see that electrolytic capacitors (5pcs, 3300mA x 6,3V) which is near the
CPU, have signs of capacity loss: one of them was a bit swelled and
inflated, other have obvious traces of leak of electrolyt. I think that
capacity loss of these 5 capacitors can cause a CPU malfunction, on which
the processor doesn't get normal voltage (especially after capacitors will
heat up). This can explain why sometimes I still can load Windows on cold
computer, but after it warm up, then it not function at all and all it
malfunction appear. I have passed a motherboard to the technician for
replacement of capacitors, will check my assumption Monday.

That will probably fix you up. But where do you find such a tech?

 

[Beex]

That will probably fix you up. But where do you find such a tech?

---------------

the tips I got from person who had the same problem with his PC.
I removed motherboard and gave it to repair service in PC store, tech will
replace capacitors.

Regards,

 

[Rich]

the tips I got from person who had the same problem with his PC.

I removed motherboard and gave it to repair service in PC store, tech will
replace capacitors.

Greetings,

May I ask what the price estimate was from the store to do this? It would be
my assumption that, unless someone does this themselves as a hobby or labor
of love, that the retail cost for labor of this tedious task would be close
to a new motherboard.

Rich


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[Beex]

Greetings,

May I ask what the price estimate was from the store to do this? It would be
my assumption that, unless someone does this themselves as a hobby or labor
of love, that the retail cost for labor of this tedious task would be close
to a new motherboard.

Rich

 

[Rich]

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will cost 10 -15 dollars. It's not too difficult to solder 5 capacitors (I
already desoldered 2 ones). Motherboard already pulled out from PC.

Beex

I stand corrected...that's a good deal.

Rich


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[VanguardLH]

I stand corrected...that's a good deal.

Rich

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[VanguardLH]

Ok, it seems, I understand where can be a possible problem.
I opened a cover case and examined the motherboard (8 years now) and I can
see that electrolytic capacitors (5pcs, 3300mA x 6,3V) which is near the
CPU, have signs of capacity loss: one of them was a bit swelled and
inflated, other have obvious traces of leak of electrolyt. I think that
capacity loss of these 5 capacitors can cause a CPU malfunction, on which
the processor doesn't get normal voltage (especially after capacitors will
heat up). This can explain why sometimes I still can load Windows on cold
computer, but after it warm up, then it not function at all and all it
malfunction appear. I have passed a motherboard to the technician for
replacement of capacitors, will check my assumption Monday.

Regards,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

It's an ironic story of espionage where the spy only stole half the
formula from a competing electrolyte maker with the consequences of
producing a crappy paste that got used in many mobos. Many mobo makers
immediately banned the inclusion of this company's components (I forget
their name but they don't exist anymore and they got drilled under from
lack of reorders).

http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4

Some mobo makers offered to replace the bad caps whether in or out of
warranty. Others decided to hide their head in the sand and pretend the
problem didn't exist and only repaired in-warranty mobos. Those that
announced they may have bad caps and offered to replace them (maybe for
just the shipping cost from customer to maker) got burned by the press -
because the press only had those brand names to attack.

Considering the cost mentioned at the badcaps site, I have to wonder
just what capacitors this technician is putting on your motherboard.
They may not match the correct type. Capacitance alone is not the only
measure of a capacitor. Considering the price you quoted is super
cheap, either the tech is replacing with the wrong and much cheaper caps
or he's doing this for free by giving you the caps he already has in his
inventory. Or it could be this was where you bought the mobo and
they're making it good by just charging you for the caps and giving you
the labor for free. If the tech is charging for both labor and parts,
I'm not sure you want what he is giving you.

You physically saw 5 bad capacitors. That means the others on that mobo
are also bad. Maybe not now but they will be. All those bad
electrolyte caps need to be replaced, not just the ones you happen to
see bulging or have defecated onto your mobo. Replacing just the 5
visibly bad caps on your mobo instead of all of them is like replacing
just the moldy slices of bread in an old loaf.

 

[BillW50]

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I can't report I've had a similar experience.

But my systems have nothing but hard drives.

The only practice I don't approve on, from the Linux community, is
"scanning" of drives as part of the startup sequence. Some LiveCD
distros, are known to "search" for a copy of the image you're booting
from. Presumably the purpose, is to do a loopback mount of the image,
as a replacement for accessing the CD itself. But I still don't
approve of monkey-business. A LiveCD should just mind its own
business.
If you have a "toasted install", it sure would be nice to tell us what
got toasted, so we can judge the mechanism...

After running the most recent version of Live Ubuntu at the time in late
2008, which I was running from a flash drive on a netbook. Windows XP
would boot up with a window saying Windows Installer and nothing more
and the computer would lockup. I couldn't believe at the time that Linux
had anything to do with it.

So I restored XP from backup and it was running just fine. Then tried
Live Ubuntu once again and blam! It screwed up XP once again. Restored
again and tried a third time and Linux did it again. I quit testing
since it was very clear that Linux was screwing up XP.

During this testing I figured something out that I could do to get XP
running after Ubuntu toasted it. That is a have iBand (USR) sitting in a
window in the taskbar (toolbar). And if I boot BartPE and rename iBand
to something else, XP would run.

So that is all I know. Later I found out that Ubuntu borrows the Windows
swapfile and if there isn't one, Ubuntu misbehaves. I also tried Puppy
Linux and that one doesn't mess up XP on the same machine.

Although I will never allow Linux and Windows on the same machine
anymore. If I want to run Linux, I will remove Windows first. As I have
first hand experience that the two doesn't mix well.

 

[BillW50]

In

Especially if you eliminate the swap file on XP, which is kind of
stupid. So, the real culprit here is your stupidity as Ubuntu assumes
people won't eliminate the swap file and most don't.

Nothing stupid about it. As Microsoft even tells you to turn it off when
you have Microsoft's EWF (Enhanced Write Filter) running. As if you
didn't, Windows would crash in a few minutes. But clueless people like
you are just too ignorant to know any better.

That said, on this machine I have three hard drives, one with XP,
another with Win 7 and another with Linux Mint. I never have had a
problem with any of them interfering with each other. When I get a new
kernel update or Grub update, I power down, disconnect both XP and
Win 7 and then power back up into Mint to do the updates. I use the
BIOS to choose into which OS I will boot.

Good for you! But that doesn't mean something bad cannot happen. Only
clueless people would believe that lie. As all you have to do is to
Google this and learn that there can be zillions of problems with
dualboot systems. You can avoid all of them by not doing it.

Heck I am having a problem here from dualbooting. As I had Windows 7
dualbooting on this very machine with XP. I removed Windows 7 and XP
works just fine after repairing the MBR and running FIXBOOT. Although
Paragon somehow thinks Windows 7 is still here. So restoring or a clone
copy won't boot XP anymore, but it tries to boot non-existing Windows 7
instead.