Windows Mail older posts

[Jan Kucera]

Hi,
If I read the newsgroups on the web, there are lot of topics. But when I
use Outlook Express / Windows Mail it shows only the newer one. How can I
make it to display the older ones too? I tried to reply to the older one on
the web and waited what happens. When Windows Mail checked the posts, it
showed one unread message (by bolding the group name and adding (1), the
message hadn't appeared in the messages pane) and immediately discarded
it...

Jan

 

[Alexander Suhovey]

Depending on the exact place on the web you are reading newsgroups on, you
may be reading archived posts that do not exist anymore on actual news
servers hosting newsgroups in question.

To get all messages that are available on the news server, in Windows Mail,
select newsgroup in question, click Tools, then click "Get next xxx
Headers", where xxx is 300 by default but you can change it via Tools >
Options. You may need to repeat that several times as there are probably
several thousands of messages stired on news server at any given time.

 

[Jan Kucera]

Well I'm reading microsoft.public.imagecomposer.discussion group and using
Windows Mail, and the last message I can see is from 7.11.2006. If I use
microsoft web to access it, it displays posts since 25.7.2006. I understand
that for example groups.google.com access which displays posts since
10.1.2006 has its own archive, but I don't believe that Microsoft tracks two
archives of posts.

Moreover, remember that Windows Mail actually downloaded the post but did
not showed it and marked it as readed.

You can try it, this discussion groups has as much as 17 topics altogether.

Jan

 

[Jan Kucera]

Just posting this to the vista.mail group where it probably belongs more.
Any idea?

Thanks,
Jan

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

Well I'm reading microsoft.public.imagecomposer.discussion group and using
Windows Mail, and the last message I can see is from 7.11.2006. If I use
microsoft web to access it, it displays posts since 25.7.2006. I
understand that for example groups.google.com access which displays posts
since 10.1.2006 has its own archive, but I don't believe that Microsoft
tracks two archives of posts.

Moreover, remember that Windows Mail actually downloaded the post but did
not showed it and marked it as readed.

You can try it, this discussion groups has as much as 17 topics
altogether.

They have just set a very low the retention of that newsgroup on the
newsserver. The administrator of the newsserver is the only person that
could change this.

Google Groups is archiving this group, and seems to have even older posts
than the MS web access:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.imagecomposer.discussion/topics?gvc=2&hl=en


What is annoying is that this group, microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,
is still not being archived by Google, so thousands of posts of Vista
experience has been lost already.

ss.

 

[Jan Kucera]

They have just set a very low the retention of that newsgroup on the
newsserver. The administrator of the newsserver is the only person that
could change this.

Google Groups is archiving this group, and seems to have even older posts
than the MS web access:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.imagecomposer.discussion/topics?gvc=2&hl=en


What is annoying is that this group,
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general, is still not being archived by
Google, so thousands of posts of Vista experience has been lost already.

ss.

Should I understand so Microsoft do archive groups for web view differently?
But why did my new reply to the old post get discarded by Windows Mail?

 

[Steve Cochran]

You need to do two things:

1. reset the newsgroup. Right click on the folder name in the folder list
and go to Properties | Local File and hit the reset button (in OE follow
that with the compact button).
2. Go to Tools | Options | Read and uncheck the option to download xxx
headers at a time, as that known to be buggy in both WinMail and OE.

Then go to the newsgroup and refresh it and you should see all the messages.

steve

 

[Steve Cochran]

It didn't. Reset the newsgroups and uncheck the option to download xxx
messages at a time.

steve

 

[Steve Cochran]

Depending on the exact place on the web you are reading newsgroups on, you
may be reading archived posts that do not exist anymore on actual news
servers hosting newsgroups in question.

To get all messages that are available on the news server, in Windows
Mail, select newsgroup in question, click Tools, then click "Get next xxx
Headers", where xxx is 300 by default but you can change it via Tools >
Options. You may need to repeat that several times as there are probably
several thousands of messages stired on news server at any given time.

That option has severe problems in both OE and WinMail. It does not get the
newest messages necessarily, so uncheck it completely.

If you are going into a NG that you know has huge numbers of messages, then
set that option to 50. Go to that NG, then use Edit | Catch up to mark all
the messages on the server as read and then go and uncheck that option to
download xxx headers, so you get them all.

This is an issue MS has refused to fix over the years, so just uncheck it.

steve

 

[Jan Kucera]

Hi Steve,
thank you for your reply. I tried your steps, but it didn't helped. The NG
I'm trying to get has a very small amount of messages as I said. It still
could be because Microsoft has different archives for web client and for OE
client. I use "mark all as read" normally. But thank you for your tip, I
didn't knew about that reset button. ;-)

Jan

 

[Steve Cochran]

I just went there and only saw 32 messages via NNTP, so I don't think you
are missing anything.

steve

 

[Jan Kucera]

Yes, I have these 32 messages as well.
However, if I look at
http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...55b-422d-4899-a1b1-9d21bcabe3d3&lang=en&cr=us

I see almost 130 messages there so... it must be either archived
differently, or the Windows Mail does not shows the old ones. Remember it
did download the new reply to the old post but discarded it.

But if you see the same, so you can't make Windows Mail to download all 130
messages accesible from the web, that's answer to my question.
Not very happy, but thanks for your effort and replies.
Jan