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Leythos
It doesn't, at least not on any of our machines, but many firewalls
don't show the release of the connection properly.
It doesn't, at least not on any of our machines, but many firewalls
don't show the release of the connection properly.
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Leythos
How does it take "More" from you. WGA has not cost the OP or her
anything.
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Leythos
aka@ said:
Alias, you don't understand and seem to want to make it some conspiracy
type thing - I don't care what WGA is doing as long as it doesn't impact
my ability to use XP - which it doesn't. WGA has not taken any use of my
computer away from me, not cost me any time, and my systems work fine. I
have no loyalty to MS, but I also don't care if they want to publish an
app that checks to see if my copy is legit or not, and that's the extent
of it to me.
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antioch
Alias said:
So have I - want to see what happens - ZA keeps asking me to allow.
Antioch
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Alias
antioch said:
I took it further and blocked it so I don't have to click on No when it
asks to connect. So far, no problems.
I am setting up one of my computers with a dual boot of XP and Linux.
Once I've learned Linux, bye, bye Windows.
Alias
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Leythos
aka@ said:
I can't wait to see your posts in the Linux groups like the ones you
post here, it will be funny watching them flame the heck out of you.
Linux needs as many updates as Windows does, takes longer (depending on
the functions you want) to install, and takes longer to download updates
in most cases. Oh, and finding the applications you want that are free
and do all that you want, well, it's not as simple as just downloading
them in many cases.
Oh, and wait until you run the update tool and phones home to determine
what updates you need and then download and install them for you - which
you have to do as root in almost all cases...
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Rhonda Lea Kirk
Mine shows the release of every other connection properly, so why would
it single out WGA?
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Rhonda Lea Kirk
Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
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Leythos
Don't know, but my firewall appliances show it released its connection.
Maybe you need to allow it to complete before you block it. Try
unblocking it for several hours (no, I don't think it takes more than a
couple seconds, but, lets just give it time based on your machine
already having issues with it).
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Rhonda Lea Kirk
That's the problem. See below.
This is not about trust, Leythos.
Microsoft has the corner on the market in the community of which I am
reluctantly a part. Although I do have a choice about what I use at
home, it's inconvenient to be on a different platform.
I use Microsoft's product, just like any other product, because it does
what I need it to do. Some of the time, anyway.
If Microsoft were a pharmaceutical company, a cosmetic company, a large
manufacturer of consumer goods, or an automobile manufacturer, trust
would not be the issue we're discussing. Full disclosure is required,
and in the absence of full disclosure, I would have the basis of a
lawsuit. These companies are required to let me, the consumer, know what
their product will do and what it don't do. And if the product fails to
work /as represented by the company/, I can sue, and I will probably
prevail. Read a cosmetic label sometime, and see the way they dance
around the claims--because they are bound by the claims they make. Most
labeling doesn't really have a whole lot of content, so one does need to
read and comprehend what the actual claims for the product are--but the
claims and disclosures must be made to the consumer. It's the law.
You'd best believe that if I had to dance around like this to use a tube
of mascara, I would find an alternative, or I'd give up mascara. It's
not as easy to get a different operating system or give up computers
entirely.
What if you had to call Makita every time you wanted to use its radial
arm saw? What if you had to call Detroit (or Japan or some other
country) every time you wanted to go to the store? What are you going to
do when your boxer shorts start phoning home to Fruit of the Loom?
I'll tell you...I always knew skydiving could kill me, because both my
rig and my canopy said so, in big bold black letters on an bright orange
label. The gear manufacturers also say, very plainly, that the gear can
fail for no reason. Skydiving gear is always in beta, but what you don't
seem to take into account is that even when Microsoft says it's not
beta, it is. It's never "the final product" because there's always
something else Microsoft needs to do, but that's never what we're told,
and then we have to deal with the consequences.
If there is to be trust of any kind, it exists in a climate of full
disclosure. I don't see that. In the meantime, I've got that stupid
little WGA thingie doing the same thing each time I boot up, and I want
to know why it needs to check up on me all the time. Not once, Leythos,
but every time I reboot the computer.
Where's the sense in that?
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Rhonda Lea Kirk
Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
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Scott
There is the latest LegitCheckControl.dll crack(530) for W Update
eveybody's using now but someone said if you dont download this new
WGA that you can't get the new updates and it wont even list them. It's
true I haven't seen any new updates at WU in days and days.
What I'm wondering is will it no longer be possible to get W Updates
now if I dont dl the latest WGA and should it be downloaded or not?
Would the latest LCC.dll crack circumvent WGA?
Thanks in advance
eveybody's using now but someone said if you dont download this new
WGA that you can't get the new updates and it wont even list them. It's
true I haven't seen any new updates at WU in days and days.
What I'm wondering is will it no longer be possible to get W Updates
now if I dont dl the latest WGA and should it be downloaded or not?
Would the latest LCC.dll crack circumvent WGA?
Thanks in advance
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Leythos
Since it's MS that it's contacting, and since you "Want" to use the OS,
I don't see all the complaining as doing anything or supporting your
cause. WGA is here for now, it's going to be something you live with or
move to an alternate OS, those are your only choices. Don't get worked
up about it, just accept it, since you can't change it.
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Leythos
mp898 said:
Strange, I just got emailed that exact question, same wording, just the
other day, and I replied that I don't support piracy or the appearance
of it.
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Ian Merrithew
False. I can have a Linux box up & running with all updates &
applications installed in about an hour. That includes all
device drivers, applications like photo editing software, media players, a
full office suite, developers tools, you name it. And usually just a
single reboot.
Partially true. Updates may be larger, but you don't have to reboot after
every other update. Hell, save for a kernel update, you don't have to
reboot for anything.
Complete FUD. Urpmi for Mandriva, Yast for SUSE, Yum for RedHat, apt-get
for Debian, and their graphical front-ends make installing software a
breeze.
FUD. Package databases are maintained locally, not remotely. You can
choose any of a number of mirror sites to connect to when updating.
You're not forced to use a Microsoft tool to connect to a Microsoft site
which verifies your unique product ID every time you go there.
FUD. You need administrative privileges to patch Windows. Hell, you need
admin to run a hell of a lot of Windows applications.
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Rhonda Lea Kirk
Leythos said:
It's an ethical issue, Leythos. And discussing ethical issues is what I
do. You see it from an engineer's mindset, I see it from the perspective
of a philosophy student. Both perspectives are required for the world to
work with some semblance of order, no matter what you tech types think.
You want issues to be narrow, and I understand that, but they aren't.
The argument I'm making is that what Microsoft does much of the time is
ethically wrong.
And I'm obviously living with it, except to the extent that I can
circumvent it.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
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Leythos
optimus2861 said:
Every install of Mandrake SUSE, and Fedora I've done in the last year
has taken just as long or longer than Windows XP SP2 and all updates, on
the exact same hardware.
Yes, it's true, and yes, you don't have to reboot after every update,
but while you have to reboot after many Windows updates, you don't have
to reboot after all of them.
Yes, they do, but it's not as simple as that in all cases, which was the
point. You still need to find the application that meets your needs,
which was what I was talking about, one that actually does what you
want. At least in most Windows apps, due to their commercial nature, you
find them easy enough.
You misunderstand my comment - the update tool on those platforms offers
you MANY things, like Windows, and it's not foolproof either. I did a
update on Mandrake 10 for the new kernel and left the machine
unbootable, and being a noob at the time I was not able to fix it (at
that time).
Which was the point, you still need to do somethings as an admin, I
wasn't causing FUD (you might want to look up what FUD means). It's not
much different when you need updates, you still need to be a admin/root
in almost all cases.
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Leythos
Ethics are things you talk to the pope about, MS has done very little in
the way of unethical things (by count), but their business practices
have been quite one-sided (and unethical in some cases).
I don't see where Ethics discussions are part of this group, as it's
about Windows XP and technical issues/help.
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Rhonda Lea Kirk
Leythos said:
The fact that Microsoft has forced me to install on my computer a file
that I neither want nor need is both a Windows XP issue and an issue of
ethics.
One-sided business practices are unethical. Misleading ones customer
base is unethical. Compelling me to prove over and over again that my
copy of Windows isn't bootleg is worse than unethical. It's
unconscionable.
Just because the spyware comes from a known company doesn't make it okay
for that company to put spyware on my computer. Other spyware makers
infiltrate for the same reason--personal gain. That's what WGA is all
about. And this particular bit of spyware seems to be causing as much
trouble for some people as any other, based on the posts here and
elsewhere. That's both an ethical and technical issue, Leythos.
(And it's very hard for me to have a discussion with you about these
things because you keep swerving. I know you don't do it intentionally
or I'd react a lot differently, but it's still very difficult to deal
with.)
And I still have this stupid thing on my computer, and I'm still
blocking it.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
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Leythos
You've got a lot more on your machine that you don't know about too
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Rhonda Lea Kirk
Leythos said:Rhonda Lea Kirk says...
You've got a lot more on your machine that you don't know about too
Learnin' more every day.
Why do you think I come here? To complain?Most of my "participation" is silent, because most of my time on this
group is spent reading posts, not writing them. It's just that every now
and again, something really, really, really annoys the spit out of me,
and then I comment on it.
I never have to ask a question of my own because so many people post the
same questions over and over again. It would be nice if they would take
the time to google, because most of the answers are already out there,
readily available, but...never mind...I'm over my gripe quota for the
week already.
Take care, Leythos. We'll argue again when I get another burr up my
butt.
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Rhonda Lea Kirk
Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
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kurttrail
Leythos said:
Bandwidth. Privacy.
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And rattle your walls
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