Windows cannot sync time

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Lori Ann Kuiper

I have various messages in event manager after installing Media Player 10
that "Time Provider NtpClient: An error occurred during DNS lookup of the
manually configured peer 'time windows.com,0x1'. NtpClient will try the DNS
lookup again in 15 minutes. The error was: A socket operation was
attempted to an unreachable host. (0x80072751) (Event ID17). Also error
that says (Event ID 29) The time provider NtpClient is configured to
acquire time from one or more time sources, however none of the sources are
currently accessible. No attemp to contact a source will be made for 14
minutes. NtpClient has no source of accurate time.

I am running Xp Professional on PC1 and XP home on Pc2 connected with
Ethernet 10/100 to Linkseys hub. I connect to Internet thru 56k Modem and
use ICS to allow internet access on both PCs. I have Office XP Professional
on PC1 and Office 2000 Standard on PC2.

This error is causing my profile to hang. Also, I use a local ISP and POP3
internet account. I want to sign up for hotmail again, but I was told that
the new Windows Messenger included in SP2 does not support hotmail.

Do I need to load MSN Messenger on both PC's? Must I pay for a hotmail
account to get things to work properly or will the free one be OK?

How do I get both PC's to stop having these error messages and be able to
properly sync the time? Also, in Outlook 2000 I selected to use the local
calander instead of one on server. Not sure if I should have selected this
or not. I am not using MS or anything on Internet to where I can load a
copy of my calander to share so I thought this option should be unchecked.

Please help. I need these PC's running for work and I have been trying to
resolve this forever. I have reinstalled numerous times--both PC's and
cannot waist anymore time.
 
Already tried that. No difference. Still cannot sync time. If I try a
manual sync I get a message that says that an error occurred because the
peer's stratum was less than the host's stratum.

I have no idea what that is suppose to mean.
 
Enable Messenger on both machines uder WFW exceptions.
Open UDP ports (123 and 13) IN and OUT for NTP protocol. (Insure 3rd party
FW suports and is not blocking this protocol)

Open Extra Ports for Messenger (which may be needed by MSN Messenger
anyway.)

TCP 1080 IN and OUT - normal chart port
TCP 1863 OUT
TCP 6891 thru 6900 - OUT

This posrts add back file send/recieve and other functions making it as
close to MSN Messenger as possible.

You mentioned sever calendar but I an assuming you are not on a server but a
dial up home.

Now run the Network Wizard on both machines starting with the ISP machine.

Reboot and connect to ISP, try time and messenger on client.

You probalby want to get MSN Messenger 6.2 as it is much more than
messenger.
You turn off messenger from starting up at logon or running in the backgroup
via the options TAB.
It simpley stays out of the way. Then Download and install MSN Messenger. At
that point you can check out the hotmail requirements.

SJ

Run the network Wizard on both machines.
 
Ahhh, your dial up ISP may be Red Hat with a wrong timedate command. Call
them and say your time command is set by the old command.

SJ
 
Hi Lori - You might want to try a third party program. I highly recommend
NetTime, free, here: http://nettime.sourceforge.net/ The nice thing about
it is that it will automatically check 140 or so servers, find those that
are working, pick the "best" five for you, update your time automatically at
your designated interval by comparing all five and has provision for
updating other computers on a local net. Or you can individually test and
select the five to be used from servers around the world. You can use it to
either automatically set the time in your tray or to do so manually. It is
also very easy to add additional server addresses to the .ini file. I've
tried out a number of time set programs over the years, and this is
far-and-away the best.

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



In
 
Turned on firewall on both PC's and changed time server. It did sync the
time.

Question on Outlook XP which I have on PC1--when installed, it has box
checked for enabling Messenger support under options. Is this suppose to be
turned on or off if I am going to turn off Messenger?

I have not run the Wizard yet. I had to set static IP on PC2 to keep 2nd PC
from disappearing when I selected NetworkPlaces-view workgroup computers.
Without static IP on PC2, the 2nd computer would disappear after about 15
minutes with a message that it could not get a list of computers or
something like that. Should I still run the Wizard? Windows Messenger does
not appear in the connection for dial-up connection or the local network
NIC. Am I suppose to just select the add port option on both PC's NIC
connections and the dial-up? Right now Windows Messenger starts on PC1
only--probably because of Outlook having the Messenger support box checked.

Also, the autodetect LAN settings on PC1 is checked (PC with the dial-up
modem). I had the autodetect LAN settings unchecked on PC2, but it kept
getting a message in event manager that the backup browser was stopping so I
turned it back on. Is this suppose to be on or off on the 2nd PC?
 
Also, do I need to download the NetFramework update so MSN Messenger works
correctly? I do not have any version loaded at this time. I think I read
somewhere that MSN Messenger uses NetFramework? If necessary, download
before downloading MSN Messenger?
 
MSN Messenger 6.2 does not need NET 1.1.
However NET 1.1 and the post SP2 NET .1.1 SP1 should be installed by the end
of the year or other problems may start appearing because new program
versions will use NET for security and compatablity reasons.

SJ
 
OK, with the WFW on both with Messenger checked in exception (The WFW knows
what to keep inside the local subnet)

On the dial check auto get IP and DSN, uncheck File and Print Sharing.

On the HOST (the dial up PC) the NIC needs an IP for the gateway
(192.168.0.1 - I do not know how the ICS assigns that or if you need to
assign it to the NIC)

On the client NIC make get IP auto DCHP and DSN.
Check File and Pruint Sharing.

Now the under structure of the net is defined, the WFW has the ports
defined, now you need to run the Network Wizard on both machines to define
the NET links (names and such) Make sure you are dialed up and connected

I would trun off anything to do with Messenger.
MSN Messenger will take care of it's self.
ON XP OUTLOOK, you may need to set up the NEWS under the GO menu.
This opens the news reader for XP OFFICE, which is the same news reader as
used for OExpress. So you have to set the OExpress program complains to
mail- NO, NEWS - YES.
This turns off the lower left pain used by Messager (but it seems to have
residue from the buddy list. Maybe this will clear up after MSN Messenger is
running?)

The browser service is what talks to the other computers to get the current
list of computers on the local net and the share links. If the browser is
complaining in the event log, then the net is not working or the DHCP is
blocked from renewing the IP lease. If the net is working then these
messages will only occur when some other problem has creeped in, like DCOM,
an ISP or phone line problem.


GL,:)

SJ
 
ICS - on the NIC of the ISP dial up PC.
You just need to turn on Inernet Connection Sharing in the ADVANCED TAB.
That is what sets the Masqerading Gateway for the non routable IP set
192.168.0.0 . The gateway will be 192.168.0.1))

SJ
 
Since I already had ICS checked on host PC (PC1) do I need to uncheck it to
uninstall first--I do have the static IP assigned to the 2nd computer
because when I tried the auto IP I could not get the network to work at all.
My connection to PC2 kept disappearing after 15 minutes when browser would
turn off. on PC2. When I checked the option to turn on ICS, it
automatically assigned the 192.168.0.1 IP to PC1--the PC with the modem. If
I uninstall ICS, it will automatically remove the 192.168.0.1 IP address
assigned to PC1.

Before I reinstalled XP, I tried just using the wizard and my 2nd PC was
assigned the Lease--no lease on PC1 (which has the modem). Then every time
I tried dialing from PC2, I lost my internet connection and it redialed. I
also tried unchecking file and printer sharing on the dial up and kept
getting messages that I did not have permission to access files???I will
give it another try if I know whether I need to change anything else.

My dialup connection has option for NetBios over TCPIP disabled. The 2
NICS--one for network and one for firewire (firewire port is not being used
right now) both have NetBios over TCPIP enabled.

I will download MSN Messenger before running the wizard. I already have
newsgroups setup in Outlook.
 
My thrird post indicated ICS does the 192.168.0.1 gateway and since you had
that on you're ok.

So NICs set, ICS on, WFW up (with accesses checked), Dialup running.
Install MSN Messenger.
Run Network Wizard on Both.

Shut down Client,
reboot Host
Boot client.

You should be able to see the Shared DOc folder on each machine (could take
12 min), the client will have IP 192.168.0.2 (or 3 or 4),

Both PC's should have Internet access (if you dialup from the HOST first.
The dialup from the second computer may be a differnet matter. (If both pc
user accounts are same name and password and ADMIN then it should work from
the second computer with the ISP Netconection set to always dial..)

SJ
 
I will give it a try and let you know!
SlowJet said:
My thrird post indicated ICS does the 192.168.0.1 gateway and since you
had that on you're ok.

So NICs set, ICS on, WFW up (with accesses checked), Dialup running.
Install MSN Messenger.
Run Network Wizard on Both.

Shut down Client,
reboot Host
Boot client.

You should be able to see the Shared DOc folder on each machine (could
take 12 min), the client will have IP 192.168.0.2 (or 3 or 4),

Both PC's should have Internet access (if you dialup from the HOST first.
The dialup from the second computer may be a differnet matter. (If both pc
user accounts are same name and password and ADMIN then it should work
from the second computer with the ISP Netconection set to always dial..)

SJ
 
Downloaded MSN Messenger on both PC's and ran wizard. I have not setup
passport yet. I have 4 users setup on each PC with identical passwords and
accounts. When setting up passport, do I save to windows (checkbox
autoselected) or not?

Last thing. I still cannot figure out exactly how to add the extra ports
for messenger. If I go to firewall and click on messenger or msn messenger,
I just get an option to change scope. Scope is set to allow internet and
network communications. If I just click on add port in exceptions screen,
then I have to define it and I don't know what to put there.
 
Problem--after 15 minutes with the auto addressing for PC2, PC2 disappears
from workgroup computers. Only PC1 appears. The IP is still set to the
manual IP that I set previously which the last digit is 6, only it says
automatically assigned by DHCP on PC2. There was also a message immediately
after running the wizard that said it was forcing an election because it
could not obtain address from DHCP server. When I first start the PC, both
PC's appear--the 2nd PC does not disappear until 15 minutes later. I can
still ping both PC's. The 2nd just does not appear as a workgroup computer
after both PC's have been running for 15 minutes.

Would it be disappearing if the proper ports are not open? In MSN Messenger
help it says that I need to set proxy to port 1863. How do I do this &
where?
 
OK, here we go.

In windows FW exception , click add (port)
For a name say "MSNProxy1863" without "'s
for port say "1863"
click TCP
Do it on both PC's

Make sure Broswer Service is set to automatic start on both pc's and that
they are started.
Make sure DCHP client service is runing on both and is started.

Open the NIC properties, tcpip protocol select, properties, click NETBIOS
over TCP/IP.
(This is because you can ping so the tcp is working, but the DSN, DHCP ICS
gismo may not understand NETBIOS. I use it and it works.)
Do both PC's.

One last note:
I don't know how you are using the shares but the default for home is to
authurize via the guest account, so the pro pc is also defaulted to this but
the guest account may be disabled by default for security reasons. Enable
the Guest account (on both) and make sure you assign a very complex
password to the guest accouint (like 11 chars with upper, lower case,
numders) This is the only protection to prevent a hacker from using the
guest account.

OK now with all that in place go ahead and use the default settings for
passport because you need that to get MSN Mess working and that will tell
you if the net is working. Make sure too set MSN options for security and
such.

GL.:)

I'm toast for the night.

SJ
 
OK. Enabled NetBios on both NICS on both PC's. My Internet modem
connection is still set to Disable NetBios over TCPIP though--is this
correct? Was I suppose to change this to enable NetBIOS also?

Not sure about how to do the UDP 123 and 13 and other TCP ports 1080 etc
that you told me to enable before. Do I do the in and out separate or write
the description exactly as you had it in previous posts--ie "TCP 1080 IN
and OUT - normal chart port"??

As far as the guest account, I did enable on both PC's but there is no
option for me to set a password on the guest account if I go into user
accounts. Only allows me to setup a netpassport account. Since I have
Outlook loaded I had to enter an email address in the guest account to setup
Outlook so I put my account in there. Don't know if this could be causing
problems or not. I have Fast User Switching disabled so I can't access the
Internet with the Guest account anyway.
 
No, for dial up connection - only tcp/icp no NETBIOS

OK, the clicking ON the MSN Messenger in the exceptions of the WFW should be
all you need for the ports. The 1863 port was for something extra (SOCKS).

I installed MSN Messenger last night but it just poped up ready to go with
auto sign in and my old account. I checked my 3rd party FW activity screen
and sure enough port 1863 was connected (ON all the time) theugh the section
called transparent proxy). I had port 1863 already open for out.

Also, you want to keep Messenger exception in FW clicked, too. These (MSM
Mess and Mess) can not be signed in at the same time to the (same or
differnt pastport accounts, I froget which) but they can be running at the
same time with their individual tray icon and / or screen open.

Noraml you wouldn't need Messenger anymore but it is tied to other
applications and sometimes when your using them your buddies will not see
you. (If that's confusing , get i line. lol)

Don't worry about any ports but 1863.

I don't have a HOME version to mess with and I run the classic model with
users authorizing as them selfs (NT AUTHORIZED USERS) so I am a little lost
on how the Guest account is used, is it silent or does the Guest account pop
up to logon to a shared computer?

But the password can be changed (assigned through any admin account on the
pro pc with the My Computer, (R-click)computer manage, Local Users and
Group, users, select user from right pain.

For Home you may need to go to safe mode or RC with ADMIN account and change
it with commands?
Look in help for the HOME system.

You lost me on the guest and passport acount tie in?

That's all I can think of?

You are close, if DHCP and DSN work from client then most everything else
will will work.
OH, make sure WFW ICMP (advanced TAB) on client has allow incoming echo
checked.(First box)

GL, :)

SJ
 
Since I switched from static IP on client, the client will disappears from
workgroup computers on both PC's after 15 minutes. The only way it that it
stays there is with static IP. The message in event manager on client says
that "the browser service failed to retrieve the backup list too many times
on transport \Device\NeBT-Tcpip (long string of letters and numbers here).
The backup browser is stopping."

When this happens I can still access the shared files on both PC's. I can
still access the Internet from both PC's. If I start the internet
connection from the client I get a cannot find server message, but if I hit
refresh the page appears and it is fine after that. The only thing I cannot
do is browse network from either PC because only the host PC shows up after
15 minutes. Another message that did appear on host in event manager after
running network wizard was that it could not read the DNS server list from
the registry as well as that the connection type could not be determined
message if I just click on Internet Explorer on host instead of dialing
manually.

After the browser turns off, it causes an message in event manager on host
that says a program was running in Usernv when I logged off. I tried using
a profile program from MS to see what was not closing and it is one of the
svchost files.

As far as MSN Messenger goes, the screen to log in did come up on host PC,
but I did not log in because I did not have a hotmail account and my email
account is from local ISP and not MSN so I can't use it there so I had to
setup my hotmail account first. The passport screen did not come up again
on host until I selected the sign in button on MSN.

I use the XP screen with the names on it so I don't know what you mean by
having any shared account pop up. None of them popup to sign in--they are
just on the login screen--the same as with the Pro version. I click on the
name and put in the password. If I click on the guest account there is no
screen to put in a password. I do see what you are talking about on the Pro
PC under account management though.

When I installed ICS, I had the autodetect LAN settings off on the client
and turned on on host PC since the article said to turn this off only on
client. I did turn it back on yesterday to see if it would make any
difference and instead of having Messenger pop up on client when the client
first autodials when I first start up client PC--Messenger pops up on host
and logs in there.
I guess I could try uninstalling ICS with LAN turned on on client, but I
have tried that before on one of my many previous XP reinstalls. I have
been messing with this since January.

Do I need to remove the manual MSN proxy entry that I put there?

Anything else you can think of? I did not select the MSN Messenger home
page when I installed it because it was not automatically checked by the
install. I am still using the default home page which starts with
/isap/redir.dll?-prd=ie&over=6..... Both PC's have same home page which is
default so I don't know if that makes any difference.

Incoming echo is checked on both PC's.

I did have an error message appear in event manager after installing Office
2000 on the client that said there was a problem with SSL on host. When I
checked outlook, the encryption was not 128bit so I ran an update on
client, but did not get a successfully installed message even though it now
says 128bit.

One more thing. The settings for DNS that my ISP shows on their home page
as the settings that they use are different than the ones the host PC is
actually using. I have no idea on how to put that in or where. Right now
my dial up connection is set to obtain everything automatically.
 

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