Windows 98 and Windows XP

[Guest]

Hi.
I have the necessity to install Windows 98 and Windows XP.
My computer has 2 fisical disks:
a. Primary disk is SATA
b. Secondary disk is SCSI
Can I install Windows XP into (a) and Windows 98 into (b) ?!? How ?!? What
are the steps ?

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

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| Hi.
| I have the necessity to install Windows 98 and Windows XP.
| My computer has 2 fisical disks:
| a. Primary disk is SATA
| b. Secondary disk is SCSI
| Can I install Windows XP into (a) and Windows 98 into (b) ?!? How ?!? What
| are the steps ?

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Consider running Win98 under Virtual PC 2004. That way you do not have to
reboot to run one of the systems but can run both at the same time. Also,
if you have more than 512mb or plan to upgrade to more than 512mb, Win9x/ME
operating systems will not run correctly in a multiboot scenario but you can
set the amount of ram for Win98 under VPC to avoid this. There are other
advantages, such as running may flavors of Windows and most linux
distributions without partitioning and rebooting. See:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx

 

[Timothy Daniels]

I have the necessity to install Windows 98 and Windows XP.
My computer has 2 fisical disks:
a. Primary disk is SATA
b. Secondary disk is SCSI
Can I install Windows XP into (a) and Windows 98 into (b) ?!?
How ?!? What are the steps ?

If you have the time to experiment, you can install each OS
into its own hard drive by having the other HD disconnected
during the installation. This is just a normal single-HD installation
procedure done on 2 HDs. By re-setting the hard drive boot
order in the BIOS before each boot-up, you can control which
HD gets control from the BIOS. The big unknown is "what does
the Win98 system do about the WinXP file structure?" It can't
display an NTFS file structure, so will it complain and shutdown,
will it complain and just not display it, or will it just ignore it?
I suspect that it will just ignore it, but I don't really know.
If you try this, please report your results.

The advantage of having OSes on separate drives, of course,
is that you don't have to use any multibooting software - either that
which is built into WinXP or from a 3rd party - and you don't have to
purchase and learn how to use a software virtual machine.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Guest]

The first problem is that Win98 is not able to see the SCSI disk; so if I
want to proceed with the installation, Do I have to load DOS SCSI disk
drivers before proceeding ?

Thank you a lot...

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Looks like it. It probably worked that way with XP except you had to hit F6
during the text phase so that the XP installer would ask for the diskette.
In Win98 I assume the driver needs to be on the setup floppy just as the cd
rom driver needs to be.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

As an additional thought, why don't you download a trial version of Virtual
PC 2004 from
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx and try installing
Win98 on it instead of trying to set up a dual boot scenario? VPC allows
you to run multiple operating systems without partitioning or rebooting. It
would also bypass the SCSI issue because that would be handled by the host
(XP). I run several Win98 virtual machines on my XP desktop and can drag
and drop, cut and paste, and use shared folders between XP and Win98. I use
SATA and external USB2 drives and all are formatted NTFS. The Win98 virtual
hard drives are formatted FAT32 and none of that matters. I also run a
dozen or so linux vm's as well as a couple of Windows servers and older
Windows and DOS operating systems.

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Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

Looks like it. It probably worked that way with XP except you had to hit
F6 during the text phase so that the XP installer would ask for the
diskette. In Win98 I assume the driver needs to be on the setup floppy
just as the cd rom driver needs to be.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

The first problem is that Win98 is not able to see the SCSI disk; so if I
want to proceed with the installation, Do I have to load DOS SCSI disk
drivers before proceeding ?

Thank you a lot...

 

[Guest]

Ok Colin.
Thank you very much for your support. I try some way and I will keep you
informed about my test. Another thing: I have a problem before of these
steps: when I try to boot Windows XP Setup from SCSI CD-ROM a black screen
with cursor on upper left appears and nothing appends....do you know any idea
?!? If I try Windows 98 bootable CD the same black screen appears. In order
to test if bootable CD is readed from my SCSI CD DRIVE, I tried to insert a
no bootable CD and the systems reply me, correctly, "No operating system".

Thank you Colin....

Bye...Luca

Looks like it. It probably worked that way with XP except you had to hit F6
during the text phase so that the XP installer would ask for the diskette.
In Win98 I assume the driver needs to be on the setup floppy just as the cd
rom driver needs to be.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

The first problem is that Win98 is not able to see the SCSI disk; so if I
want to proceed with the installation, Do I have to load DOS SCSI disk
drivers before proceeding ?

Thank you a lot...

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I have not dealt with a SCSI cd drive. I have only used IDE cd drives.

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Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

Ok Colin.
Thank you very much for your support. I try some way and I will keep you
informed about my test. Another thing: I have a problem before of these
steps: when I try to boot Windows XP Setup from SCSI CD-ROM a black screen
with cursor on upper left appears and nothing appends....do you know any
idea
?!? If I try Windows 98 bootable CD the same black screen appears. In
order
to test if bootable CD is readed from my SCSI CD DRIVE, I tried to insert
a
no bootable CD and the systems reply me, correctly, "No operating system".

Thank you Colin....

Bye...Luca

Looks like it. It probably worked that way with XP except you had to hit
F6
during the text phase so that the XP installer would ask for the
diskette.
In Win98 I assume the driver needs to be on the setup floppy just as the
cd
rom driver needs to be.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

The first problem is that Win98 is not able to see the SCSI disk; so if
I
want to proceed with the installation, Do I have to load DOS SCSI disk
drivers before proceeding ?

Thank you a lot...

:

:
I have the necessity to install Windows 98 and Windows XP.
My computer has 2 fisical disks:
a. Primary disk is SATA
b. Secondary disk is SCSI
Can I install Windows XP into (a) and Windows 98 into (b) ?!?
How ?!? What are the steps ?


If you have the time to experiment, you can install each OS
into its own hard drive by having the other HD disconnected
during the installation. This is just a normal single-HD installation
procedure done on 2 HDs. By re-setting the hard drive boot
order in the BIOS before each boot-up, you can control which
HD gets control from the BIOS. The big unknown is "what does
the Win98 system do about the WinXP file structure?" It can't
display an NTFS file structure, so will it complain and shutdown,
will it complain and just not display it, or will it just ignore it?
I suspect that it will just ignore it, but I don't really know.
If you try this, please report your results.

The advantage of having OSes on separate drives, of course,
is that you don't have to use any multibooting software - either that
which is built into WinXP or from a 3rd party - and you don't have to
purchase and learn how to use a software virtual machine.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Guest]

Thank you for your support. Another thing: I have a problem before of these
steps: when I try to boot Windows XP Setup from SCSI CD-ROM a black screen
with cursor on upper left appears and nothing appends (BIOS is set to boot
from CD)....do you know any idea
?!? If I try Windows 98 bootable CD the same black screen appears. In order
to test if bootable CD is readed from my SCSI CD DRIVE or not, I tried to
insert a
no bootable CD and the systems reply me, correctly, "No operating system
found".

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

If you are talking about booting the virtual machine, I do not think VPC can
see a SCSI drive of any kind directly. The solution may be to create an
..iso image of the Windows 98 cd and the Windows 98 boot floppy and use those
directly in the virtual drives on the virtual machine. If you don't know
what I am referring to, then it is going to take a while.

Does your computer have a floppy diskette drive? If not, you will have to
learn how to make virtual floppies or download virtual floppy images.

One thing you might consider is installing an IDE cd rom drive in your
computer. I know that the virtual machine will use it if you do. They are
inexpensive.


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Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

Ok Colin.
Thank you very much for your support. I try some way and I will keep you
informed about my test. Another thing: I have a problem before of these
steps: when I try to boot Windows XP Setup from SCSI CD-ROM a black screen
with cursor on upper left appears and nothing appends....do you know any
idea
?!? If I try Windows 98 bootable CD the same black screen appears. In
order
to test if bootable CD is readed from my SCSI CD DRIVE, I tried to insert
a
no bootable CD and the systems reply me, correctly, "No operating system".

Thank you Colin....

Bye...Luca

Looks like it. It probably worked that way with XP except you had to hit
F6
during the text phase so that the XP installer would ask for the
diskette.
In Win98 I assume the driver needs to be on the setup floppy just as the
cd
rom driver needs to be.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

The first problem is that Win98 is not able to see the SCSI disk; so if
I
want to proceed with the installation, Do I have to load DOS SCSI disk
drivers before proceeding ?

Thank you a lot...

:

:
I have the necessity to install Windows 98 and Windows XP.
My computer has 2 fisical disks:
a. Primary disk is SATA
b. Secondary disk is SCSI
Can I install Windows XP into (a) and Windows 98 into (b) ?!?
How ?!? What are the steps ?


If you have the time to experiment, you can install each OS
into its own hard drive by having the other HD disconnected
during the installation. This is just a normal single-HD installation
procedure done on 2 HDs. By re-setting the hard drive boot
order in the BIOS before each boot-up, you can control which
HD gets control from the BIOS. The big unknown is "what does
the Win98 system do about the WinXP file structure?" It can't
display an NTFS file structure, so will it complain and shutdown,
will it complain and just not display it, or will it just ignore it?
I suspect that it will just ignore it, but I don't really know.
If you try this, please report your results.

The advantage of having OSes on separate drives, of course,
is that you don't have to use any multibooting software - either that
which is built into WinXP or from a 3rd party - and you don't have to
purchase and learn how to use a software virtual machine.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Michael Stevens]

In

Thank you for your support. Another thing: I have a problem before of
these steps: when I try to boot Windows XP Setup from SCSI CD-ROM a
black screen with cursor on upper left appears and nothing appends
(BIOS is set to boot from CD)....do you know any idea
?!? If I try Windows 98 bootable CD the same black screen appears. In
order to test if bootable CD is readed from my SCSI CD DRIVE or not,
I tried to insert a
no bootable CD and the systems reply me, correctly, "No operating
system found".

Windows 98 CD's were not bootable [except for special OEM versions], you
have to use a Windows 98 bootdisk with CD-ROM support to run setup.
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[Colin Barnhorst]

If you need one, download from bootdisk.com to your desktop, insert a blank
floppy in A: and double click on the icon.

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Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
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In

Thank you for your support. Another thing: I have a problem before of
these steps: when I try to boot Windows XP Setup from SCSI CD-ROM a
black screen with cursor on upper left appears and nothing appends
(BIOS is set to boot from CD)....do you know any idea
?!? If I try Windows 98 bootable CD the same black screen appears. In
order to test if bootable CD is readed from my SCSI CD DRIVE or not,
I tried to insert a
no bootable CD and the systems reply me, correctly, "No operating
system found".

Windows 98 CD's were not bootable [except for special OEM versions], you
have to use a Windows 98 bootdisk with CD-ROM support to run setup.
--
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(e-mail address removed)
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