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Alias
PaulMaudib said:
Or you can order the CD and no download required (recommended).
It's related to XP and this is XP *general*. Hence, completely on topic,
your anal net nanny cop crap notwithstanding.
Alias
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Or you can order the CD and no download required (recommended).
It's related to XP and this is XP *general*. Hence, completely on topic,
your anal net nanny cop crap notwithstanding.
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And, I always set an RP for other things, like Norton System Works
2006 - no fair picking on me for being dumb and buying Symantec!
<grin> - they don't set an RP first and often update system files
which is dangerous.
And, Alias, even though MS usually sets an RP, I manually set one.Very wise, Jerry, and I concur completely. I used to run to
get Windows updates until I was fooled by Microsoft when they
posted WGA as a "critical" update. Now I wait until the
weekend following Updates Tuesday and read the Windows Update
newsgroup as well as tech sites to make sure that MS hasn't
fuçked up again.
And, I always set an RP for other things, like Norton System Works
2006 - no fair picking on me for being dumb and buying Symantec!
<grin> - they don't set an RP first and often update system files
which is dangerous.
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Alias
HEMI said:Alias added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
And, Alias, even though MS usually sets an RP, I manually set one.
And, I always set an RP for other things, like Norton System Works
2006 - no fair picking on me for being dumb and buying Symantec!
<grin> - they don't set an RP first and often update system files
which is dangerous.
I do the same thing except that I don't use anything Symantec. I use
Avast for an AV and Comodo for a firewall with my XP installs, along
with my NAT router hard firewall.
Course, with Ubuntu, all I need is the NAT firewall and RPs don't exist
or need thinking about ;-)
Alias
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Colin Barnhorst
The cd has to be the best choice for dialup folks, especially the ones in
regions where they pay for download time, etc.
regions where they pay for download time, etc.
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A CD is best for everyone, Colin. I've heard numbers from 67MB to
300MB, but no matter what it is, that's iffy even for a cable
modem user. I ordered the CD for SP2 back when. But, for this and
many other threads, I have yet to see even the remotest
compelling reason to even bother if my system is as up-to-date as
I want it and it runs fine. Beyond that, why risk a visit from
Murphy?
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The cd has to be the best choice for dialup folks, especially
the ones in regions where they pay for download time, etc.
A CD is best for everyone, Colin. I've heard numbers from 67MB to
300MB, but no matter what it is, that's iffy even for a cable
modem user. I ordered the CD for SP2 back when. But, for this and
many other threads, I have yet to see even the remotest
compelling reason to even bother if my system is as up-to-date as
I want it and it runs fine. Beyond that, why risk a visit from
Murphy?
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Colin Barnhorst
65mb on a fully patched XP SP2 system. You would only see 300mb on an XP
SP1 fresh install with no subsequent updates. Broadband is fine. Most
users have no need of the cd and 99% will even know or care about options to
just letting WU do the job for them. Since the download is verified before
attempting installation there is no difference between the Windows Update
Experience and running the upgrade from a cd.
SP1 fresh install with no subsequent updates. Broadband is fine. Most
users have no need of the cd and 99% will even know or care about options to
just letting WU do the job for them. Since the download is verified before
attempting installation there is no difference between the Windows Update
Experience and running the upgrade from a cd.
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A CD is best for everyone, Colin. I've heard numbers from 67MB to
300MB, but no matter what it is, that's iffy even for a cable
modem user. I ordered the CD for SP2 back when. But, for this and
many other threads, I have yet to see even the remotest
compelling reason to even bother if my system is as up-to-date as
I want it and it runs fine. Beyond that, why risk a visit from
Murphy?
In all fairness to XP, I have never encountered an issue with updates on
three machines, two in English and one in Spanish. The only issue I had
was when MS decided to rate the WGA tool as "critical". It still
installed fine and informed me of what I already knew: my copy of XP was
"genuine".
Alias
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I am irritated by the wga updates. They come any old time and sometimes
demand a reboot. I don't know why the wga team is so privileged that they
cannot wait for Patch Tuesday like everyone else. (Just venting).
demand a reboot. I don't know why the wga team is so privileged that they
cannot wait for Patch Tuesday like everyone else. (Just venting).
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Alias
Colin said:I am irritated by the wga updates. They come any old time and sometimes
demand a reboot. I don't know why the wga team is so privileged that
they cannot wait for Patch Tuesday like everyone else. (Just venting).
*None* of my three computers that have XP on them have WGA. I use the
Auto Updates, inform but don't download or install setting. If WGA
should rear its ugly head, I just tell it to not download or install it
and to not offer the "update" again.
I like XP and it has served me well. Once SP2 for Vista is out, I'd
probably like that too. What I don't like is MS telling me I am a pirate
until I jump through their "anti piracy" hoops and prove otherwise.
Hence, I started learning Ubuntu Linux and I'm glad I did.
Alias
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SP3 seems to improve performance (those are the TechBeta testers' reports)
and networking is better. I like it better than SP2 for those reasons.
You'll probably pick up 5% to 10% in performance in some tasks. Depends on
what you do.
and networking is better. I like it better than SP2 for those reasons.
You'll probably pick up 5% to 10% in performance in some tasks. Depends on
what you do.
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Webster
Have you had a chance to check its network interoperability with Vista?
I know that was supposed to be a feature it included.
I know that was supposed to be a feature it included.
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Colin Barnhorst
Yes. It just works now.
Webster said:Have you had a chance to check its network interoperability with Vista?
I know that was supposed to be a feature it included.
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I have not personally suffered a failure or problem because I
practice "safe updating". But each and every month, on this and
other Windows XP NGs, I see people talking about KB updates that
failed to install correctly and/or caused something to go bump in
the night, so I wait and see. If enough people report some sort of
problem, I do NOT install that update, especially if I don't
perceive that I am at risk for whatever is being fixed.
In all fairness to XP, I have never encountered an issue with
updates on three machines, two in English and one in Spanish.
The only issue I had was when MS decided to rate the WGA tool
as "critical". It still installed fine and informed me of what
I already knew: my copy of XP was "genuine".
I have not personally suffered a failure or problem because I
practice "safe updating". But each and every month, on this and
other Windows XP NGs, I see people talking about KB updates that
failed to install correctly and/or caused something to go bump in
the night, so I wait and see. If enough people report some sort of
problem, I do NOT install that update, especially if I don't
perceive that I am at risk for whatever is being fixed.
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First mention I've seen of a real benefit. Thanks. I am surprised,
though, that MS would spend time on what they believe is an
obsolete O/S trying to speed it up.
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SP3 seems to improve performance (those are the TechBeta
testers' reports) and networking is better. I like it better
than SP2 for those reasons. You'll probably pick up 5% to 10%
in performance in some tasks. Depends on what you do.
First mention I've seen of a real benefit. Thanks. I am surprised,
though, that MS would spend time on what they believe is an
obsolete O/S trying to speed it up.
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kookieman
Unless you call DX10 (used only by few games and differences seen only with
highest end graphics cards) and Aero (personal perference but no usability
added imo) great steps, I don't think XP is outdated.. MS really should face
reality and offer both products (Vista and XP) side by side for all
manufacturers once SP3 and SP1 are out. At least till Windows 7 is out
(which is supposedly good). The best MS product in the past few years imo
was Office 2007.. it's awesome
highest end graphics cards) and Aero (personal perference but no usability
added imo) great steps, I don't think XP is outdated.. MS really should face
reality and offer both products (Vista and XP) side by side for all
manufacturers once SP3 and SP1 are out. At least till Windows 7 is out
(which is supposedly good). The best MS product in the past few years imo
was Office 2007.. it's awesome
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Windows 7 will be no more a panacea for current Windows than any other
Windows has been for what went before it. Since nobody has seen a
reasonably finished product of course it is wonderful. Duh.
Windows has been for what went before it. Since nobody has seen a
reasonably finished product of course it is wonderful. Duh.
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Colin Barnhorst
I wasn't aware that MS considers XP obsolete. That would be reading more
into MS's statements than they themselves have said. XP is still in active
support, after all. New features are still possible. SP3 is a major
project.
If anyone is considering XP obsolete it is the computer manufacturer's who
are only shipping Vista preinstalled and not writing XP drivers for their
new systems for those who still prefer XP. I'm not criticizing them for
making such a business decision, but it is a statement on their part that XP
is obsolete. They are saying to their customers that "it is time to move
on." Hopefully their customers who want XP will move on...to another brand.
into MS's statements than they themselves have said. XP is still in active
support, after all. New features are still possible. SP3 is a major
project.
If anyone is considering XP obsolete it is the computer manufacturer's who
are only shipping Vista preinstalled and not writing XP drivers for their
new systems for those who still prefer XP. I'm not criticizing them for
making such a business decision, but it is a statement on their part that XP
is obsolete. They are saying to their customers that "it is time to move
on." Hopefully their customers who want XP will move on...to another brand.
K
kookieman
And hence I used the word 'supposedly'.
Colin Barnhorst said:Windows 7 will be no more a panacea for current Windows than any other
Windows has been for what went before it. Since nobody has seen a
reasonably finished product of course it is wonderful. Duh.
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I didn's say that XP was outdated or obsolete, I said MS believes
it is obsolete, and they do. I personally agree with you. It is
very, very stable and does what I want it to while not doing
anything weird, which is why I am so conservative. Now, lest
anyone think I have feet of clay and am not open to new ideas, I
will go to Vista upon my next custom PC build. But, and this is
important, the fast processors, motherboards, video cards, etc.
are still evolving and are quite pricey, apps to fully support it
all are still evolving, and Vista needs to mature some, at least
to SP1, perhaps longer until any/all problems, driver
availability, etc. are resolved. At one time, I was both a
programmer and a PC hobbyist, but since about 1995, I switched to
viewing a PC as a tool to do useful work, so XP does that for me
right now but I can see that the future is either Vista or Linux.
Have a great week, Kookie!
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Unless you call DX10 (used only by few games and differences
seen only with highest end graphics cards) and Aero (personal
perference but no usability added imo) great steps, I don't
think XP is outdated.. MS really should face reality and offer
both products (Vista and XP) side by side for all
manufacturers once SP3 and SP1 are out. At least till Windows
7 is out (which is supposedly good). The best MS product in
the past few years imo was Office 2007.. it's awesome
I didn's say that XP was outdated or obsolete, I said MS believes
it is obsolete, and they do. I personally agree with you. It is
very, very stable and does what I want it to while not doing
anything weird, which is why I am so conservative. Now, lest
anyone think I have feet of clay and am not open to new ideas, I
will go to Vista upon my next custom PC build. But, and this is
important, the fast processors, motherboards, video cards, etc.
are still evolving and are quite pricey, apps to fully support it
all are still evolving, and Vista needs to mature some, at least
to SP1, perhaps longer until any/all problems, driver
availability, etc. are resolved. At one time, I was both a
programmer and a PC hobbyist, but since about 1995, I switched to
viewing a PC as a tool to do useful work, so XP does that for me
right now but I can see that the future is either Vista or Linux.
Have a great week, Kookie!
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I don't know that they have. But, I don't think they still sell
it and it does have an announced date sometime in 2009 when
support ceases except for critical updates to fix security holes.
If someone knows different, I would appreciate hearing about it.
I'd like my nephew and tech support guru to build my wife a new
PC with XP on it but he says that he can't buy a retain version
of XP SP2 anymore from MS or any of his normal wholesale or
retail sources for HW and SW. I suppose that it can be found on
eBay and the like and I'm sure that some stores still have it,
but AFAIK, it has been dropped like a hot potato. Still, your
point is well taken, Colin: MS "encourages" both SW developers
and PC OEMs to install the latest and generally still forces them
to at least pay the royalty in order to say they are MS
certified. It's too bad that they won't offer XP anymore but
then, car companies cease production of last years cars, ditto
home appliances, and even clothes go out of style once a year.
The way the world works is to make it at least appear that the
previous version of whatever is like last week's lettuce so that
the customer will feel some sort of OCD-like compulsion to buy
the latest and greatest at any cost in money, time, and
frustration.
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I wasn't aware that MS considers XP obsolete. That would be
reading more into MS's statements than they themselves have
said. XP is still in active support, after all. New features
are still possible. SP3 is a major project.
I don't know that they have. But, I don't think they still sell
it and it does have an announced date sometime in 2009 when
support ceases except for critical updates to fix security holes.
If someone knows different, I would appreciate hearing about it.
If anyone is considering XP obsolete it is the computer
manufacturer's who are only shipping Vista preinstalled and
not writing XP drivers for their new systems for those who
still prefer XP. I'm not criticizing them for making such a
business decision, but it is a statement on their part that XP
is obsolete. They are saying to their customers that "it is
time to move on." Hopefully their customers who want XP will
move on...to another brand.
I'd like my nephew and tech support guru to build my wife a new
PC with XP on it but he says that he can't buy a retain version
of XP SP2 anymore from MS or any of his normal wholesale or
retail sources for HW and SW. I suppose that it can be found on
eBay and the like and I'm sure that some stores still have it,
but AFAIK, it has been dropped like a hot potato. Still, your
point is well taken, Colin: MS "encourages" both SW developers
and PC OEMs to install the latest and generally still forces them
to at least pay the royalty in order to say they are MS
certified. It's too bad that they won't offer XP anymore but
then, car companies cease production of last years cars, ditto
home appliances, and even clothes go out of style once a year.
The way the world works is to make it at least appear that the
previous version of whatever is like last week's lettuce so that
the customer will feel some sort of OCD-like compulsion to buy
the latest and greatest at any cost in money, time, and
frustration.
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