Win XP Pro or Win 98?

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-Alias- said:
I have an AMD 800 Mhz, 512MB PC-100 RAM and 80GB HD and it works just fine
with XP Pro. You might want to consider getting a new hard drive, although
20GB is more than enough room if you're not into videos and other large
files.

Alias

well, but my PC was bought 5 years ago. Not sure, does hardware requirements
changes significantly or not.

Mistral
 
mistral said:
well, but my PC was bought 5 years ago. Not sure, does hardware requirements
changes significantly or not.

Mistral

I bought mine 7 years ago. Try it; you'll like it :-)

Alias
 
mistral said:
I am not sure about firewall. I used software firewall AtGuard. However,
antivirus and Ad-aware(anti-spy).
Should I have a hardware firewall(router)? I have no static IP.

mistral

It is always desirable to have both a software and a hardware firewall.
A good software firewall is bi-directional meaning that it can block
incoming and outgoing threats from and to your computer. I like the
website grc.com with the shields up test that can test your software
firewall for full stealth mode. I use Zone Alarm Professional firewall
and I am happy with it. I use an older version which works fine in 98SE
and the current version in XP Professional. The grc website gave me
full stealth mode in both 98SE and XP Pro. with this firewall. I would
definitely test your firewall at this site. I use a cable (broadband)
connection as opposed to a narrow band (dial-up) connection so it is
essential that I have a firewall. A firewall is useful in a dial-up
connection as well but not as critical as having one with a broadband
connection.
 
mistral said:
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will do, thanks.

Mistral
Keep in mind if you have Windows 98SE, then it has 137 gb limit on the
hard drive size unless you have a controller card. I was searching for
the Microsoft article on this but could not find it. Perhaps someone
else in the group knows the website.
 
Dan said:
Keep in mind if you have Windows 98SE, then it has 137 gb limit on the
hard drive size unless you have a controller card. I was searching for
the Microsoft article on this but could not find it. Perhaps someone
else in the group knows the website.


Still one note: I want use Nero Burning ROM on that PC, together with ms
office2003 and few other programs. Isn't too much for such configuration?
 
mistral said:
Still one note: I want use Nero Burning ROM on that PC, together with ms
office2003 and few other programs. Isn't too much for such configuration?

If you have the two operating systems installed on separate hard drives
then you install things separately on each hard drive. I have 98SE in
Fat32 and XP PRO in NTFS file systems and I do not share the two
operating systems since they have different purposes and anyway 98SE
cannot recognize NTFS. Also, the latest Microsoft Office build that
works with 98SE is Office XP so Office 2003 will not work with 98SE. I
googled and noticed that you should have no problem with Nero version 7.
 
Dan said:
If you have the two operating systems installed on separate hard drives
then you install things separately on each hard drive. I have 98SE in
Fat32 and XP PRO in NTFS file systems and I do not share the two
operating systems since they have different purposes and anyway 98SE
cannot recognize NTFS. Also, the latest Microsoft Office build that
works with 98SE is Office XP so Office 2003 will not work with 98SE. I
googled and noticed that you should have no problem with Nero version 7.


I don't plan use two operating systems on one PC, especially on PIII 866MHz
and 20GB hard, just do not see any practical sense for this, even on newest
computers.
However, there can be other opinions.
 
mistral said:
I don't plan use two operating systems on one PC, especially on PIII 866MHz
and 20GB hard, just do not see any practical sense for this, even on newest
computers.
However, there can be other opinions.
Wow, that is an old computer. I definitely would not put XP on that
computer.
 
Dan said:
It is always desirable to have both a software and a hardware
firewall.

Software firewalls are a novelty and only useful for those that want
to find out what legit software is "phoning home".

Malware like viruses and trojans will usually find a way to turn a
software firewall off before they start communicating out to the net.

A NAT router will act as an incoming firewall, which practically
speaking will cover 100% of any nasty situations you're going to face,
and if you're running multiple PC's then it will protect ALL of them.
A NAT router costs $50, and you pay for it ONCE (not yearly like a
subscription) and it's not succeptible to being turned off by malware
because it's a separate, stand-alone device.

Firewall talk is thrown around a lot by computer novices to impress
other people that they know what computer security is all about. The
reality is that firewall software (which 10 years ago was actually
pretty useful because there were no NAT routers back then) has become
lame and ineffectual because of cheap NAT routers.
 
mistral said:
I use Win 98. I plan upgrade my hardware (PIII 866MHz 127MB RAM, 20GB HDD)
and extend memory to 512MB (2 x 256). Then reformat HDD and install Win XP
Pro. Will Win XP Professional work perfectly on such configuration? Or
better keep Win 98 on such PC?

20 gig HDD is too small for windows xp
 
98 said:
Software firewalls are a novelty and only useful for those that want
to find out what legit software is "phoning home".

Malware like viruses and trojans will usually find a way to turn a
software firewall off before they start communicating out to the net.

A NAT router will act as an incoming firewall, which practically
speaking will cover 100% of any nasty situations you're going to face,
and if you're running multiple PC's then it will protect ALL of them.
A NAT router costs $50, and you pay for it ONCE (not yearly like a
subscription) and it's not succeptible to being turned off by malware
because it's a separate, stand-alone device.

Firewall talk is thrown around a lot by computer novices to impress
other people that they know what computer security is all about. The
reality is that firewall software (which 10 years ago was actually
pretty useful because there were no NAT routers back then) has become
lame and ineffectual because of cheap NAT routers.

I still don't see the harm in having both.
 
Dan said:
I still don't see the harm in having both.

I see harm in advising people to get software firewalls instead (or
before) telling them (in order of priority):

1) get a nat router
2) update your computer via windowsupdate.com
3) if you don't need Java (ie Java VM, aka JRE) then uninstall
all versions of JRE/JVM (including MSJVM).
4) if you do need or use Java, then uninstall all old versions
and install the latest version from Sun. (note that even
if you update your Sun JRE, the install package DOES NOT
remove previous/old versions of JRE, and you will be vulnerable
to the bugs in those older versions while surfing the net).
5) obtain AdAware, Spybot SD, spyware blaster, and use them to
"harden" your installed browsers (IE and/or Firefox) with
their "immunize" function.
6) get a hosts file from the net and update it from time to
time.
7) Anti-virus software is last - and optional in my opinion. If
you're setting up a PC for a complete boob, then yes go ahead
and make sure it's linked to their e-mail client for scanning
incoming e-mail.

Software firewall is not even on my list.

Realistically, the use of Windows-98 vs any version of NT (ie 2k, XP,
etc) is actually step zero (0).
 
mistral said:
Still one note: I want use Nero Burning ROM on that PC, together with ms
office2003 and few other programs. Isn't too much for such configuration?

I have Nero and Office 2000 with no problems at all. You have a faster
processor than I do and I bet your RAM isn't PC-100 but PC-133. Just be
sure to format the hard drive as NTFS not FAT32.

Alias
 
Dan said:
Wow, that is an old computer. I definitely would not put XP on that
computer.

I would and have and it runs like silk. Have you *tried* putting XP on a
comparable machine or are you just making it up as you go along?

Alias
 
That depends entirely on what apps he runs. I know many people for whom it
is more than enough.

I totally agree, although I would recommend a new hard drive for more
space and the one he has is probably 5400 and not 7200.

Alias
 
98 said:
I see harm in advising people to get software firewalls instead (or
before) telling them (in order of priority):

1) get a nat router
2) update your computer via windowsupdate.com
3) if you don't need Java (ie Java VM, aka JRE) then uninstall
all versions of JRE/JVM (including MSJVM).
4) if you do need or use Java, then uninstall all old versions
and install the latest version from Sun. (note that even
if you update your Sun JRE, the install package DOES NOT
remove previous/old versions of JRE, and you will be vulnerable
to the bugs in those older versions while surfing the net).
5) obtain AdAware, Spybot SD, spyware blaster, and use them to
"harden" your installed browsers (IE and/or Firefox) with
their "immunize" function.
6) get a hosts file from the net and update it from time to
time.
7) Anti-virus software is last - and optional in my opinion. If
you're setting up a PC for a complete boob, then yes go ahead
and make sure it's linked to their e-mail client for scanning
incoming e-mail.

Software firewall is not even on my list.

Realistically, the use of Windows-98 vs any version of NT (ie 2k, XP,
etc) is actually step zero (0).

Okay, I have no problem with your list.
 
-Alias- said:
I would and have and it runs like silk. Have you *tried* putting XP on a
comparable machine or are you just making it up as you go along?

Alias
Well, I apologize and I am sorry to have offended you.
 
Dan said:
Well, I apologize and I am sorry to have offended you.

Ignorance doesn't offend me. Now you know that a machine of those
characteristics will not only run XP but will run XP well.

Alias
 
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