Win XP doesn't "see" additional hdd, but BIOS does.


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PRNole

You guys are good! So I came back for additional help...

I have an old ATA / IDE 40GB IBM/Deskstar hdd made in Thailand that I
need to hook up to my current PC and extract some old docs and files
from it.

My BIOS setup and boot-up menu recognizes the drive and even allowed
me to boot into it instead of the main drive I have in my desktop.
But, I don't want to boot into it as it has been going endlessly
updating all kinds of hardware, drivers, etc., only to fail to
completely boot all apps and TSR's from the old drive's startup
routine. I just want to be able to access the drive it from my main
and current hdd or C:\, as I would access any other drive, cd/dvd/
floppy, etc.

FYI: I have the drive jumpers set to the 15 Head Drive 1 Slave option,
since setting it up as a 16 Head D1 Slave failed to be recognized by
the BIOS and boot-up menu. Jumper options I still have left are: 16
or 15 Head Device 0 Master,16 or 15 Head Cable Select, and 16 or 15
Head Forcing Dev 1 Present (I can also disable Auto Spin under each of
the listed jumper options). I then switched my desktop's hdd to the
middle jumper of the drive connector, and plugged the "slave" to the
remaining last connector. Power clip was plugged in.

Also, if it helps, this is an HP a650y desktop model with an ASUS:
P4SD-LA PES / Oxford-GL6E mobo.

So, why won't XP "see" the drive?

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Andrew E.

Leave the jumper settings as they were when you had the option to boot
pc to it & it tried updating.That setting worked,the problem you had was
most pc BIOS settings will put a new hd as 1st boot device on 1st start-up.
Enter BIOS,set original C: as 1st boot device,once in xp you should have
access
to hd.
 
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PRNole

  Leave the jumper settings as they were when you had the option to boot
 pc to it & it tried updating.That setting worked,the problem you had was
 most pc BIOS settings will put a new hd as 1st boot device on 1st start-up.
 Enter BIOS,set original C: as 1st boot device,once in xp you should have
access
 to hd.

Slight confusion here...

Booting into the added and older drive was *not* automatic, if I
understood you correctly...IOW, after I added the drive with the
jumper settings I listed in my initial post, the PC kept booting into
its main (original) drive each time I re-started it, which was listed
as C: (D: was the Recovery drive).

It was when I hit <esc> on booting to go to the boot menu that I saw
the PC had recognized the 2nd older drive, giving me the option to
boot it and not the main/original drive. There was no letter
assignment or other numerical hierarchy to either drive, as shown on
the boot menu

So, when I was given the option to boot the second drive, the boot
menu showed the 2 drives and listed them simply one below the other.
The PC's main (original) drive was listed first and the one I added
appeared listed below that one.

I simply toggled down to the added (older) drive, hit <enter> and it
booted the older drive (which had an earlier version of Win 98 as the
OS).

This is where your suggestion is confusing to me. Are you saying that
with the 2 drives listed in the boot menu verifying both are
recognized by the bios, to go ahead and re-boot to the bios menu, make
sure the original/main drive is still recognized as C: 1st drive,
*then* boot into the original drive and XP will recognize the second
one?

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B

Bob I

I would say using a USB enclosure for the drive instead would probably
be the way to go.
 
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PRNole

Slight confusion here...

Booting into the added and older drive was *not* automatic, if I
understood you correctly...IOW, after I added the drive with the
jumper settings I listed in my initial post, the PC kept booting into
its main (original) drive each time I re-started it, which was listed
as C: (D: was the Recovery drive).

It was when I hit <esc> on booting to go to the boot menu that I saw
the PC had recognized the 2nd older drive, giving me the option to
boot it and not the main/original drive. There was no letter
assignment or other numerical hierarchy to either drive, as shown on
the boot menu

So, when I was given the option to boot the second drive, the boot
menu showed the 2 drives and listed them simply one below the other.
The PC's main (original) drive was listed first and the one I added
appeared listed below that one.

I simply toggled down to the added (older) drive, hit <enter> and it
booted the older drive (which had an earlier version of Win 98 as the
OS).

This is where your suggestion is confusing to me.  Are you saying that
with the 2 drives listed in the boot menu verifying both are
recognized by the bios, to go ahead and re-boot to the bios menu, make
sure the original/main drive is still recognized as C: 1st drive,
*then* boot into the original drive and XP will recognize the second
one?

.

BTW, I can "see" the second hdd in Device Manager, where it lists it
right below the main hdd.

I can also "see" it listed under Administrative Tools | Computer
Management | Disk Management but cannot change or add a drive letter,
as I can the other listed drives. This option is grayed out for the
second drive, though it is active for all other drives with assigned
letters.

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PRNole

Problem solved!

I booted the second drive into Win98, and disabled Roxio Go-Back 3
that had been installed when that drive was active. Once Go-Back was
disabled I re-booted into the main drive with XP and, lo and behold!
there it was! The second drive was alive and well with an assigned
drive letter, in plain view of XP for all to see!

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PRNole

Problem solved!

I booted the second drive into Win98, and disabled Roxio Go-Back 3
that had been installed when that drive was active. Once Go-Back was
disabled I re-booted into the main drive with XP and, lo and behold!
there it was! The second drive was alive and well with an assigned
drive letter, in plain view of XP for all to see!

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D

Dragomir Kollaric

You guys are good! So I came back for additional help...

I have an old ATA / IDE 40GB IBM/Deskstar hdd made in Thailand that I
need to hook up to my current PC and extract some old docs and files
from it.

I'd use a Live-CD-Rom Knoppix and use it to salvage the data
to the the larger drive:)

I've read the other posts by you and it seems that winXP
can't see the drive. Did you at one time *limit* the number
of drives that can be hooked up to the PC? IIRC there was
such a option in win98...




Dragomir Kollaric[/QUOTE]
 
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PRNole

I've read  the other posts  by you  and it seems  that winXP
can't see the drive. Did you  at one time *limit* the number
of drives  that can be hooked  up to the PC?  IIRC there was
such a option in win98...

Nope, but the problem has been solved...

The older drive that I was trying to get XP to "see" had Win 98 and
Roxio's Go-Back v3 installed in it. Once I booted into the old drive
and disabled Go-Back, I then re-booted to my main drive and XP finally
recognized the older drive with its very own letter.

Problem solved!


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W

w_tom

Problem solved!

Take a few minutes to execute another Windows utility that would/
should have solved the problem. Find the Disk Manager – found in many
placed such as Computer Management under the name Disk Management. If
necessary, use Windows Help to load it. This powerful utility is for
the problem you were having. Learn about it now so that, if you need
it, you understand it.
http://www.erico.com/public/library/fep/technotes/tncr002.pdf

You said I have posted contradictions. I suggested you don't have
grasp of the basic concepts. Well understood is that direct lightning
strikes to appliances can even be via buried wires. IOW those
contradictions are traceable to facts you have not yet learned.

In a similar example, lightning struck a nearby tree. Therefore the
horse standing 25 feet away suffered a direct lightning strike. Why?
Again, learn how surges work. Lightning was seeking a shortest path
to earthborn charges 5 miles away. So lightning traveled 3 miles down
to a tree, then four miles through earth to complete an electrical
circuit. A shortest path through 4 miles of earth was up the horses
hind legs and down its fore legs. The naive said the horse was not
struck directly. False. Another example of a direct strike to the
hourse (or household appliances). But those who did not first learn
the science - who only knew by what they saw - never understood why
the horse was killed by a direct lightning strike.

Lightning striking utility wires out on the street are a direct
lightning strike to appliances ... if properly earthed protectors are
not installed.
 
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PRNole

  Take a few minutes to execute another Windows utility that would/
should have solved the problem.  Find the Disk Manager – found in many
placed such as Computer Management under the name Disk Management.  If
necessary, use Windows Help to load it.  This powerful utility is for
the problem you were having.  Learn about it now so that, if you need
it, you understand it.

Disk Management is one of the first aids I sought out. That's where
the hdd in question was visible, with no letter assigned, and the
option to assign or change the drive letter was *grayed* out (i.e.,
unavailable as an option). As a result, I could do *nothing* to effect
any changes to this drive. I posted this on Sept 12 @ 9:48am, or 5
posts above yours.


What does this link you are suggesting to me have to do with my *not*
being able to have Win XP "see" a hdd I had installed?
  You said I have posted contradictions.  I suggested you don't have
grasp of the basic concepts.  Well understood is that direct lightning
strikes to appliances can even be via buried wires.  IOW those
contradictions are traceable to facts you have not yet learned.


????????????????????

Are you talking to me?
Re-read this whole thread and you'll realize you've responded to the
wrong person. FWIW, in my years of posting to newsgroups, I have never
suggested to *any* poster that they "have posted contradictions." It
certainly is not the case in this thread.

  In a similar example, lightning struck a nearby tree.  Therefore the
horse standing 25 feet away suffered a direct lightning strike.  Why?
Again, learn how surges work.  <snip rest of post>

This is clearly an error and not related to my post.

No need to apologize :)

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Jason

First drive set to master. Second drive set to slave unless it is on the
secondary controller.
 
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