Why do PC manufacturers not supply O/S CD's with there products

[Leythos]

It's easier to see a CD, rather than check to see if the recovery
partition has been imaged properly.

No, it's easier to image a zillion drives, then do a checksum, and then
stick them in a box - it's all about automation.

 

[Alias]

No, it's easier to image a zillion drives, then do a checksum, and then
stick them in a box - it's all about automation.

It's about charging $26 for a CD. THAT *is* a nice mark up.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

It's about charging $26 for a CD. THAT *is* a nice mark up.

Yea, HP does the same, but since their first 10 pages of the user manual
(on the machine I saw) clearly states that users can make restore CD's
and how to do it, I don't fault them for that cost. To many ignorant
users never bother until it's too late.

 

[Alias]

Yea, HP does the same, but since their first 10 pages of the user manual
(on the machine I saw) clearly states that users can make restore CD's
and how to do it, I don't fault them for that cost. To many ignorant
users never bother until it's too late.

That's what they're counting on so they can charge $26 for a two cent
CD. Just the fact that they buy a Dell or HP qualifies the user as
"ignorant".

Alias

 

[Kerry Brown]

I think tech support costs were just a free bonus initially.

I think you are right about this. Initially it was done for the cost savings
from Microsoft. Now I believe they wouldn't switch back no matter what
because of the lowered support costs.

 

[kurttrail]

No, it's easier to image a zillion drives, then do a checksum, and
then stick them in a box - it's all about automation.

And someone needs to run it on each machine and review the results.

Again, I don't know which is more expensive for the OEM. You have yet
to provide any verifable facts, only BS.

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[kurttrail]

It's about charging $26 for a CD. THAT *is* a nice mark up.

Now that is very easily understood.

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[kurttrail]

This post is just to fix the subject line.

David

Grammar/Spell lamer.

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[Guest]

1:20 PM 5/28/2006

I agree that OEM's should always ship a CD as part of the package. But has
anyone thought about the fact that a hidden recovery partition has
advantages for the end user too? It is processed faster, takes fewer steps
(no need to copy CD for example) and has the potential to monitor changes in
user settings etc. in order to re-establish them at recovery. All of these
advantages add up to getting the user computing again faster than a CD
process possibly could.

PS: What is so odd about wearing a tin foil hat? It keeps the NSA from
reading our thoughts.

Shiny Head Mark

 

[David Candy]

During the XP beta MS started putting a dollar value on CD as some countries believed MS was evading duty so would charge the beta testers duty. They valued the CD at around $2. Australians don't pay small sums of duty so was still free for us (duties under $50 aren't collected as it costs more than they get).

 

[NoStop]

I don't believe that. Do you have some documentation that it is
cheaper?

Common sense would tell you that it is cheaper for the manufacturer to place
a recovery system on a second partition than supplying a CDROM disk. Cost
savings to the manufacturer is the cost of a CD and envelope and to these
nickle and dime outfits that is a big savings.

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[NoStop]

It's easier to see a CD, rather than check to see if the recovery
partition has been imaged properly.

Check to see if it is imaged properly? Like they'd waste time checking that.
If it's imaged it's imaged. Of course it's easier to see a CD. But what
happens when the customer calls support and says "my dog ate the CD"?

LOL! What does wanting some real numbers to base an opinion on have to
do with a tin-foil hat?

I don't know which is more expensive, the CD or the recovery partition,

You've already been ****ing told. So you don't get it? Well that isn't
unusual considering the warped logic you've become known for.

and I'm not about to extablish an opinion one way or another based on
nothing more than feeling or faith. Give me facts in the form of real
costs, not anymore BS.

The FACTS are that they are doing it this way. They only do shit like this
because they know it saves them money. You need anymore proof than that?


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[Ron Martell]

PS: What is so odd about wearing a tin foil hat? It keeps the NSA from
reading our thoughts.

Only if you line the inside with egg salad.

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[Leythos]

And someone needs to run it on each machine and review the results.

Again, I don't know which is more expensive for the OEM. You have yet
to provide any verifable facts, only BS.

No, they don't run it on each machine, sheesh, where have you been for
the last 10 years. You can image a drive in a drive farm, check sum it,
then package it in a machine without ever booting it.

 

[Anthony Buckland]

1:20 PM 5/28/2006
... What is so odd about wearing a tin foil hat? It keeps the NSA from
reading our thoughts.

....

The more of us who wear tin foil hats, the better. Then the little red
dots on the display the NSA uses to locate all tin foil hat wearers
will run together at the edges to create big red blobby areas that
will be useless for finding individuals among us.

 

[kurttrail]

No, they don't run it on each machine, sheesh, where have you been for
the last 10 years. You can image a drive in a drive farm, check sum
it, then package it in a machine without ever booting it.

And a robot does this?

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[kurttrail]

Common sense would tell you that it is cheaper for the manufacturer
to place a recovery system on a second partition than supplying a
CDROM disk. Cost savings to the manufacturer is the cost of a CD and
envelope and to these nickle and dime outfits that is a big savings.

A CD and envelope cost more than licensing some recovery software for
every PC it is on?

Again. I don't know what is really cheaper, and have yet to get any
verifiable numbers from anyone, to base a reasonable opinion on, one way
or the other.

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[Doug]

I don't see what the fuss is about. HP gives detailed
instructions as how to burn recovery CDs or DVD disks containing
the recovery data from their so-called hidden partition (which
isn't hidden). I burned it all on two DVD discs. I believe the
same can be done on 25 CDs.

Doug

 

[Gaoler]

And every part you remove is one less part to track, to get lost in
shipping process, to have users complain about not being able to find,
etc.... If it doesn't make sense to you, well, I understand that (for
you), but I never expect you to agree with anyone unless they have their
tinfoil hat on

LOL! Leythos is obsessed with kurttrail! He can never resist
responding to any of his posts! Leythos, you are so whipped! I guess
kurttrail, I guess you have a b*tch following you around like a lost
puppy whether you like it or not.

 

[Paul Knudsen]

Moral of the story - "Get a XP CD", the expense is well worth it.

Yes, second that!