What's wrong with Microsoft

[Dan]

I have no idea. It is just one of the possibilities that Microsoft is
tossing around, AFAIK.

:
: >FYI, I talked with Microsoft on Saturday. There is a remote possiblity
that
: >98SE will be redone and released as another operating system but it will
not
: >be called 98SE and most likely there will not be any reference to 98SE.
See
: >my complaining and writing constantly and calling frequently is starting
to
: >get results. By the Way, I have been doing this petitioning since 2003.
: >Have a nice day! I will let you know more details that I am allowed to
: >reveal.
: >
:
:
: Dan,
: What will it be called?

 

[Dan]

What are you getting at Gary?

: Windows 9X, <gd&r>
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: : > Dan,
: > What will it be called?
:

 

[Greg R]

Exactly and until DOS has a true maintenance operating system replacement as
Chris Quirke, MVP has pointed out we will continue to have serious problems.
According to Kurt, the problem(s) XP faces is the attachment of legacy
support to XP and this makes it more vulnerable. Well, I think regardless of
the fact of whether XP needs to be overhauled at the core level is a major
concern to Microsoft. The core level is what appears to be targetted by
hackers. These hackers are really smart. Heck, we have bad people who have
stolen records from ChoicePoint by setting up dummy accounts, T-Mobile was
hacked I think in 2003, Bank of America has had backups stolen by people and
this could lead to a security problem for government officials, the census

Do you know what oses those companies were using?

Greg R

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

A play on words, Dan. We typically clump Win95, Win98, and WinME under
the umbrella term, "Windows 9x." However, MS is big on using the Big X.
Since it would be a "retro" product, it makes sense to call it "Windows
9X"

 

[Dan]

Thanks for the clarification, Gary. Have a good night.

: A play on words, Dan. We typically clump Win95, Win98, and WinME under
: the umbrella term, "Windows 9x." However, MS is big on using the Big X.
: Since it would be a "retro" product, it makes sense to call it "Windows
: 9X"
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: : > What are you getting at Gary?
: >
: > : > : Windows 9X, <gd&r>
: > :
: > : --
: > : Gary S. Terhune
: > : MS MVP Shell/User
: > : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: > : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: > :
: > : : > : > Dan,
: > : > What will it be called?
: > :
: >
: >
:

 

[PCR]

http://www.lyricsdepot.com/

"Que sera, sera,
Whatever will be, will be;
The future's not ours to see.
Que sera, sera,
What will be, will be."


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
| FYI, I talked with Microsoft on Saturday. There is a remote
possiblity that
| 98SE will be redone and released as another operating system but it
will not
| be called 98SE and most likely there will not be any reference to
98SE. See
| my complaining and writing constantly and calling frequently is
starting to
| get results. By the Way, I have been doing this petitioning since
2003.
| Have a nice day! I will let you know more details that I am allowed
to
| reveal.
|
| | : Greg R wrote:
| : > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:35:42 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
| : >
| : >> The reason you're installing more updates is two-fold:
| : >>
| : >> 1. You aren't installing many updates for 9x systems at all these
days,
| : >> because Microsoft isn't issuing any--even a serious handful that
they
| : >> should be issuing, IMNSHO.
| : >>
| : >> 2. WinXP is a much more complicated system, with much larger set
of
| : >> functionalities, and exists in a world where hacking for profit
is a
| : >> much larger, almost mainstream enterprise, one that I suspect is
now a
| : >> primary mainstay of organized crime. Because of XPs position as
the
| : >> leading Desktop OS, it gets attacked most often. Admittedly,
another
| : >> part of this equation is that the underlying vulnerability in
most cases
| : >> is "buffer overflow", a situation that cannot be fixed except in
| : >> piecemeal fashion until the entire core structure of Windows is
changed.
| : >> Whether MS manages to solve that problem is the issue upon which
| : >> Microsoft's continued dominance depends. Until then, however,
piecemeal
| : >> is the best that can be done. But *none* of that means that Win9x
is any
| : >> more secure than XP. Just the opposite, in fact, when so many
| : >> vulnerabilities that have been patched in XP and 2k go unpatched
in the
| : >> older
| : >>
| : >> Win98, 98SE and ME *are* dead, at least in so far as being a
modern
| : >> convenience. Sure, you can lock your 9x system away from the
internet
| : >> and run obsolete programs--same way MS-DOS and Win95 are still
used.
| : >> But that's *all* you'll be able to decently do with it by the
time this
| : year
| : >> has closed.
| : >
| : > Gary,
| : > You can still get virus scanners and software for windows 98.
| : > most software excluding Microsoft say the requirements are
| : > win98,me,nt, 2000,xp. Some even say software is not compatible
with
| : > xp.
| : >
| : > I don't think antivir, avast, f-prot, will stop supporting windows
98
| : > or above.
| : > Antivir still supports windows 95 and f-prot still support dos.
| : >
| : > Actual you can even get other virus scanners for windows 95 but it
is
| : > harder to find. Even open office 1.0 runs on windows 95
| : >
| : > As long i can connect to the internet. I will keep using windows
| : > 98se.
| : >
| : > Greg R
| :
| : Me too, I expect. And I expect we will be able to connect to the
| Internet
| : with Win98SE, for a long, long time. And I'm not worried about the
WU's
| : either.
| :
| :
|
|

 

[Ad]

Windows 9X, <gd&r>

Old windows.

As bad as the name Gates is giving to Windows Xp that is being
introduced in the UK.
Windows XP, reduced media edition. Multi billioairs do act like children
then.

 

[Ad]

I wonder how many others use systems as ancient as the Amiga to connect to
the net. <smile>

There are a fair few people who uses the AMiga to connect to the net, in
fact some people only use the Amiga and will not let it go. Mind you I
do not blame them, the Amiga may be a bit slower than modern P.Cs, but
there is something about it.
The software had good code, for the simple reason, any memory leaks and
other problems, the AMiga would just crash. So good software writing was
the biz and you did not need a massive hard drive. I got a 1GB drive on
mine and that is massive for it.

I think the Amiga would still be here, if Commodore have done better
with their accounts and not go bankrupt. I have heard that some compnay
still got the rights to the Amiga and is making a new one, but more P.C
like. It was the OS that made the AMiga.

 

[mae]

No, it will be called MWP (multimedia word processor) as an extension to XP,
for the Europeans to purchase.
--
mae

| Windows 9X, <gd&r>
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP Shell/User
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
|
| | > Dan,
| > What will it be called?
|

 

[Dan]

Well, please keep me informed of the new AMiga process, Ad because this kind
of stuff really intrigues me. FYI, I still own my IBM PCjr and still have
the original KQ1 by Sierra-On-Line which is all but considered dead now after
it folded into Vivendi (spelling error ?) Interactive and the last office
closed in Summer 2004. This was a sad fate for this grand entertainment
company. The PC Today magazine has an article about it in either February or
March issue and it is located towards the back if you are interested in
reading about the demise of Sierra. BTW, I am not sure where an old cable
went for the extra memory to up the PCjr to 640 kb's from 128 kb's --- do you
know where I can buy one today? Thanks in advance for all of your help and
information.

: Dan wrote:
: > I wonder how many others use systems as ancient as the Amiga to connect
to
: > the net. <smile>
: >
: >
: There are a fair few people who uses the AMiga to connect to the net, in
: fact some people only use the Amiga and will not let it go. Mind you I
: do not blame them, the Amiga may be a bit slower than modern P.Cs, but
: there is something about it.
: The software had good code, for the simple reason, any memory leaks and
: other problems, the AMiga would just crash. So good software writing was
: the biz and you did not need a massive hard drive. I got a 1GB drive on
: mine and that is massive for it.
:
: I think the Amiga would still be here, if Commodore have done better
: with their accounts and not go bankrupt. I have heard that some compnay
: still got the rights to the Amiga and is making a new one, but more P.C
: like. It was the OS that made the AMiga.

 

[Dan]

I do not off the top of my head but I can research it if you want me to.

:
: >Exactly and until DOS has a true maintenance operating system replacement
as
: >Chris Quirke, MVP has pointed out we will continue to have serious
problems.
: >According to Kurt, the problem(s) XP faces is the attachment of legacy
: >support to XP and this makes it more vulnerable. Well, I think regardless
of
: >the fact of whether XP needs to be overhauled at the core level is a major
: >concern to Microsoft. The core level is what appears to be targetted by
: >hackers. These hackers are really smart. Heck, we have bad people who
have
: >stolen records from ChoicePoint by setting up dummy accounts, T-Mobile was
: >hacked I think in 2003, Bank of America has had backups stolen by people
and
: >this could lead to a security problem for government officials, the census
:
: Do you know what oses those companies were using?
:
: Greg R

 

[Dan]

Well, the logic behind it is that it will cost less money for a lite edition.
I wonder how effective this plan will be in competing against Linux and other
open-source companies. However, I think it is worth a try. BTW, I work at
Target in Tucson, Arizona and Microsoft has still not sent us any X-Boxes. I
know about the power cord issue but does anyone know when we will get more
X-Boxes? This is really affecting our bottom line at our store. I will
attempt to contact Microsoft about it today.

: Gary S. Terhune wrote:
: > Windows 9X, <gd&r>
: >
:
: Old windows.
:
: As bad as the name Gates is giving to Windows Xp that is being
: introduced in the UK.
: Windows XP, reduced media edition. Multi billioairs do act like children
: then.
:
:

 

[Dan]

Mae are you suggesting this is in retaliation of Microsoft having to release
a Windows operating system without a Windows Media Player?

: No, it will be called MWP (multimedia word processor) as an extension to
XP,
: for the Europeans to purchase.
: --
: mae
:
: : | Windows 9X, <gd&r>
: |
: | --
: | Gary S. Terhune
: | MS MVP Shell/User
: | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: |
: | : | > Dan,
: | > What will it be called?
: |
:

 

[Dan]

I went to the site and noticed that the songs were free. Is this legal and
is there no associated baddies with the songs? Thanks in advance for the
information.

: http://www.lyricsdepot.com/
:
: "Que sera, sera,
: Whatever will be, will be;
: The future's not ours to see.
: Que sera, sera,
: What will be, will be."
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
: (e-mail address removed)
: : | FYI, I talked with Microsoft on Saturday. There is a remote
: possiblity that
: | 98SE will be redone and released as another operating system but it
: will not
: | be called 98SE and most likely there will not be any reference to
: 98SE. See
: | my complaining and writing constantly and calling frequently is
: starting to
: | get results. By the Way, I have been doing this petitioning since
: 2003.
: | Have a nice day! I will let you know more details that I am allowed
: to
: | reveal.
: |
: | : | : Greg R wrote:
: | : > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:35:42 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
: | : >
: | : >> The reason you're installing more updates is two-fold:
: | : >>
: | : >> 1. You aren't installing many updates for 9x systems at all these
: days,
: | : >> because Microsoft isn't issuing any--even a serious handful that
: they
: | : >> should be issuing, IMNSHO.
: | : >>
: | : >> 2. WinXP is a much more complicated system, with much larger set
: of
: | : >> functionalities, and exists in a world where hacking for profit
: is a
: | : >> much larger, almost mainstream enterprise, one that I suspect is
: now a
: | : >> primary mainstay of organized crime. Because of XPs position as
: the
: | : >> leading Desktop OS, it gets attacked most often. Admittedly,
: another
: | : >> part of this equation is that the underlying vulnerability in
: most cases
: | : >> is "buffer overflow", a situation that cannot be fixed except in
: | : >> piecemeal fashion until the entire core structure of Windows is
: changed.
: | : >> Whether MS manages to solve that problem is the issue upon which
: | : >> Microsoft's continued dominance depends. Until then, however,
: piecemeal
: | : >> is the best that can be done. But *none* of that means that Win9x
: is any
: | : >> more secure than XP. Just the opposite, in fact, when so many
: | : >> vulnerabilities that have been patched in XP and 2k go unpatched
: in the
: | : >> older
: | : >>
: | : >> Win98, 98SE and ME *are* dead, at least in so far as being a
: modern
: | : >> convenience. Sure, you can lock your 9x system away from the
: internet
: | : >> and run obsolete programs--same way MS-DOS and Win95 are still
: used.
: | : >> But that's *all* you'll be able to decently do with it by the
: time this
: | : year
: | : >> has closed.
: | : >
: | : > Gary,
: | : > You can still get virus scanners and software for windows 98.
: | : > most software excluding Microsoft say the requirements are
: | : > win98,me,nt, 2000,xp. Some even say software is not compatible
: with
: | : > xp.
: | : >
: | : > I don't think antivir, avast, f-prot, will stop supporting windows
: 98
: | : > or above.
: | : > Antivir still supports windows 95 and f-prot still support dos.
: | : >
: | : > Actual you can even get other virus scanners for windows 95 but it
: is
: | : > harder to find. Even open office 1.0 runs on windows 95
: | : >
: | : > As long i can connect to the internet. I will keep using windows
: | : > 98se.
: | : >
: | : > Greg R
: | :
: | : Me too, I expect. And I expect we will be able to connect to the
: | Internet
: | : with Win98SE, for a long, long time. And I'm not worried about the
: WU's
: | : either.
: | :
: | :
: |
: |
:
:

 

[Greg R]

Here I found out where a read about the real microsoft linux

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1768170,00.asp




Greg R

 

[Ad]

Well, please keep me informed of the new AMiga process, Ad because this kind
of stuff really intrigues me. FYI, I still own my IBM PCjr and still have
the original KQ1 by Sierra-On-Line which is all but considered dead now after
it folded into Vivendi (spelling error ?) Interactive and the last office
closed in Summer 2004. This was a sad fate for this grand entertainment
company. The PC Today magazine has an article about it in either February or
March issue and it is located towards the back if you are interested in
reading about the demise of Sierra. BTW, I am not sure where an old cable
went for the extra memory to up the PCjr to 640 kb's from 128 kb's --- do you
know where I can buy one today? Thanks in advance for all of your help and
information.

I got no idea, I did not come into P.Cs till around the 166 Mhz time, I
was never interested really. I was happy with my amiga and to be honest,
if I could get the software, I would still be using it now. I would
never have bothered with a P.C. My views then was they was primative,
which when I had my first Amiga, the P.c was.

There was the Amiga, which had 4 channel stereo sound ( not true
stereo), millions of colours, high res graphics 512MB of ram and a fast
CPu, when the PC was still going beep beep, had 16 colours and could
just about cope with square blocks.

It is a shame about Sierra-on-line, but that is the way things go.

I will ask around to see if someone know about your cable, I do know a
few people who been into P.Cs since the 8080 days.

 

[Ad]

Well, the logic behind it is that it will cost less money for a lite edition.

But it will not, the price will be the same.

I wonder how effective this plan will be in competing against Linux and other
open-source companies. However, I think it is worth a try. BTW, I work at

I think it is a great thing, just a shame it did not go far enough.
Internet Explorer should have been taken out as well.

Target in Tucson, Arizona and Microsoft has still not sent us any X-Boxes. I
know about the power cord issue but does anyone know when we will get more
X-Boxes? This is really affecting our bottom line at our store. I will
attempt to contact Microsoft about it today.

Loads of them here, but people are going for the PS2 so the X-box is
being left alone.

 

[PCR]

I had to rename my HOSTS file to get to that site with the mile-long URL
a NetZero search came up with. For that reason, I just grabbed the
bottom of it...
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/
....to post here, which HOSTS has no objection to. It does want to
deposit Cookies, but your Terhune settings will handle it...

"Internet Options, Privacy tab, Advanced button"
(a) Override Automatic Cookie Handling: Checked
(a) 1st Party Cookies: "Prompt"
(b) 3rd Party Cookies: "Block"
(c) Always Allow Session Cookies: Checked.

I chose not to take any Cookies.

The larger URL would have gone directly to those lyrics, but it had
"overture" in it which is banned by...
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

Anyway, I don't know the answers to your questions. Neither do I know
whether today's answer would be the same as tomorrow's. Better keep
up-to-date on your virus defs, you know. I did feel I had to post
something... the smaller URL... out of my "give credit where credit is
due" rule. If you catch a virus over it, it STILL is their fault,
though. DON'T make me contact my lawyers!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
| I went to the site and noticed that the songs were free. Is this
legal and
| is there no associated baddies with the songs? Thanks in advance for
the
| information.
|
| | : http://www.lyricsdepot.com/
| :
| : "Que sera, sera,
| : Whatever will be, will be;
| : The future's not ours to see.
| : Que sera, sera,
| : What will be, will be."
| :
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
| : (e-mail address removed)
| : | : | FYI, I talked with Microsoft on Saturday. There is a remote
| : possiblity that
| : | 98SE will be redone and released as another operating system but
it
| : will not
| : | be called 98SE and most likely there will not be any reference to
| : 98SE. See
| : | my complaining and writing constantly and calling frequently is
| : starting to
| : | get results. By the Way, I have been doing this petitioning since
| : 2003.
| : | Have a nice day! I will let you know more details that I am
allowed
| : to
| : | reveal.
| : |
| : | | : | : Greg R wrote:
| : | : > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:35:42 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
| : | : >
| : | : >> The reason you're installing more updates is two-fold:
| : | : >>
| : | : >> 1. You aren't installing many updates for 9x systems at all
these
| : days,
| : | : >> because Microsoft isn't issuing any--even a serious handful
that
| : they
| : | : >> should be issuing, IMNSHO.
| : | : >>
| : | : >> 2. WinXP is a much more complicated system, with much larger
set
| : of
| : | : >> functionalities, and exists in a world where hacking for
profit
| : is a
| : | : >> much larger, almost mainstream enterprise, one that I suspect
is
| : now a
| : | : >> primary mainstay of organized crime. Because of XPs position
as
| : the
| : | : >> leading Desktop OS, it gets attacked most often. Admittedly,
| : another
| : | : >> part of this equation is that the underlying vulnerability in
| : most cases
| : | : >> is "buffer overflow", a situation that cannot be fixed except
in
| : | : >> piecemeal fashion until the entire core structure of Windows
is
| : changed.
| : | : >> Whether MS manages to solve that problem is the issue upon
which
| : | : >> Microsoft's continued dominance depends. Until then, however,
| : piecemeal
| : | : >> is the best that can be done. But *none* of that means that
Win9x
| : is any
| : | : >> more secure than XP. Just the opposite, in fact, when so many
| : | : >> vulnerabilities that have been patched in XP and 2k go
unpatched
| : in the
| : | : >> older
| : | : >>
| : | : >> Win98, 98SE and ME *are* dead, at least in so far as being a
| : modern
| : | : >> convenience. Sure, you can lock your 9x system away from the
| : internet
| : | : >> and run obsolete programs--same way MS-DOS and Win95 are
still
| : used.
| : | : >> But that's *all* you'll be able to decently do with it by the
| : time this
| : | : year
| : | : >> has closed.
| : | : >
| : | : > Gary,
| : | : > You can still get virus scanners and software for windows 98.
| : | : > most software excluding Microsoft say the requirements are
| : | : > win98,me,nt, 2000,xp. Some even say software is not
compatible
| : with
| : | : > xp.
| : | : >
| : | : > I don't think antivir, avast, f-prot, will stop supporting
windows
| : 98
| : | : > or above.
| : | : > Antivir still supports windows 95 and f-prot still support
dos.
| : | : >
| : | : > Actual you can even get other virus scanners for windows 95
but it
| : is
| : | : > harder to find. Even open office 1.0 runs on windows 95
| : | : >
| : | : > As long i can connect to the internet. I will keep using
windows
| : | : > 98se.
| : | : >
| : | : > Greg R
| : | :
| : | : Me too, I expect. And I expect we will be able to connect to
the
| : | Internet
| : | : with Win98SE, for a long, long time. And I'm not worried about
the
| : WU's
| : | : either.
| : | :
| : | :
| : |
| : |
| :
| :
|
|

 

[Dan]

Thanks Ad. I appreciate it.

: Dan wrote:
: > Well, please keep me informed of the new AMiga process, Ad because this
kind
: > of stuff really intrigues me. FYI, I still own my IBM PCjr and still
have
: > the original KQ1 by Sierra-On-Line which is all but considered dead now
after
: > it folded into Vivendi (spelling error ?) Interactive and the last office
: > closed in Summer 2004. This was a sad fate for this grand entertainment
: > company. The PC Today magazine has an article about it in either
February or
: > March issue and it is located towards the back if you are interested in
: > reading about the demise of Sierra. BTW, I am not sure where an old
cable
: > went for the extra memory to up the PCjr to 640 kb's from 128 kb's --- do
you
: > know where I can buy one today? Thanks in advance for all of your help
and
: > information.
:
: I got no idea, I did not come into P.Cs till around the 166 Mhz time, I
: was never interested really. I was happy with my amiga and to be honest,
: if I could get the software, I would still be using it now. I would
: never have bothered with a P.C. My views then was they was primative,
: which when I had my first Amiga, the P.c was.
:
: There was the Amiga, which had 4 channel stereo sound ( not true
: stereo), millions of colours, high res graphics 512MB of ram and a fast
: CPu, when the PC was still going beep beep, had 16 colours and could
: just about cope with square blocks.
:
: It is a shame about Sierra-on-line, but that is the way things go.
:
: I will ask around to see if someone know about your cable, I do know a
: few people who been into P.Cs since the 8080 days.

 

[Dan]

It is puzzling that you have so many X-Boxes in the UK when the supply is so
limited in the States.

: Dan wrote:
: > Well, the logic behind it is that it will cost less money for a lite
edition.
:
: But it will not, the price will be the same.
:
: > I wonder how effective this plan will be in competing against Linux and
other
: > open-source companies. However, I think it is worth a try. BTW, I work
at
:
: I think it is a great thing, just a shame it did not go far enough.
: Internet Explorer should have been taken out as well.
:
:
: > Target in Tucson, Arizona and Microsoft has still not sent us any
X-Boxes. I
: > know about the power cord issue but does anyone know when we will get
more
: > X-Boxes? This is really affecting our bottom line at our store. I will
: > attempt to contact Microsoft about it today.
:
: Loads of them here, but people are going for the PS2 so the X-box is
: being left alone.