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Lee Chapelle
Leythos said:
Every time they get closer to that goal, there are more hackers and spammers
and phishers and virus-spreaders and all forms of scumbags there to ruin the
party.
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Every time they get closer to that goal, there are more hackers and spammers
and phishers and virus-spreaders and all forms of scumbags there to ruin the
party.
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Greg R
I know one thing. It still not ready to run out of the box.Windows "out of the box"
That goes for any oses.
Mainly-Internet settings
Some need more settings
Some need less settings.
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Leythos
Every time they get closer to that goal, there are more hackers and spammers
and phishers and virus-spreaders and all forms of scumbags there to ruin the
party.
Yea, since neither Linux or Windows or even OS/X is secure out of the box,
it would be nice if MS changed it's default install to one where all
services had to be selected in order to enable networking. It would
actually be nice if the install/setup process asked you if you were
running Home Computer Directly Connected to Internet, Home Computer behind
a firewall with other computers, Business Computer behind a firewall
without a domain, business computer behind a firewall in a domain,
business computer directly connected to Internet.... and then setup the
services and security for the user - funny thing is that MS would not have
to change the OS, just the install process, but I bet they won't do it any
time soon.
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Lee Chapelle
Leythos said:Yea, since neither Linux or Windows or even OS/X is secure out of the box,
it would be nice if MS changed it's default install to one where all
services had to be selected in order to enable networking. It would
actually be nice if the install/setup process asked you if you were
running Home Computer Directly Connected to Internet, Home Computer behind
a firewall with other computers, Business Computer behind a firewall
without a domain, business computer behind a firewall in a domain,
business computer directly connected to Internet.... and then setup the
services and security for the user - funny thing is that MS would not have
to change the OS, just the install process, but I bet they won't do it any
time soon.
That's not that far removed from what actually happens. The ICW asks those
very questions, and the SP2 Security Centre deals with the firewall and AV.
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Leythos
That's not that far removed from what actually happens. The ICW asks those
very questions, and the SP2 Security Centre deals with the firewall and AV.
ICW doesn't seem to work well as many people are still not running SP2 and
many people with a single computer with no network file sharing needed
still have file/printer sharing enabled.
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Lee said:That's not that far removed from what actually happens. The ICW asks those
very questions, and the SP2 Security Centre deals with the firewall and AV.
It deals with a firewall, which is only just about worth having, it
certainly do not deal with the AV, since you still have to install one.
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Dan
I am adding the 98 general newsgroup for their feedback as well.
The question of what is wrong with Microsoft is simple but I welcome
corrections if I am wrong. <smile> Microsoft is a big company with not
enough competition and so Microsoft does things their way. If and when
Microsoft has enough competition from maybe Mozilla Firefox, Apple, Linux,
Unix, etc. then Microsoft *may* get off their high-horse and stop being lazy
and realize that they are not number 1 anymore and how ask the question of
how does Microsoft become number 1 again. I think many companies would like
to have monopolies in different areas but in the States not very many
companies have that luxury which I think is a good thing. Microsoft is
awesome at least to me on giving me support for my dual-boot 98SE/XP PRO.
system and I in turn write ideas that Microsoft should or may want to
incorporate into their products in the future. (In this case I stick mainly
with operating systems) Also, I beta test for Microsoft to help them out and
provide my feedback to them. They have been very helpful to me but were an
extremely tough company to crack. They finally wrote me back after much
persistence because they realized that I would not go away and that I could
help them as a company. Everyone have a great day.
Godspeed!
:
: : > On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:30:11 -0800, Lee Chapelle wrote:
: >
: >>
: >>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:58:01 -0800, Lee Chapelle wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>> The fact remains, that the prime directive of the Windows division is
: >>>> to
: >>>> reach the point where the average person can run Windows "out of the
: >>>> box"
: >>>> and have the same satisifying and trouble-free experience with it that
: >>>> the
: >>>> techno-geek does. This comes down from Bill Gates and imbues
everything
: >>>> the
: >>>> leviathan does.
: >>>
: >>> I welcome the day when some OS vendor does that and succeeds at it.
: >>
: >> Every time they get closer to that goal, there are more hackers and
: >> spammers
: >> and phishers and virus-spreaders and all forms of scumbags there to ruin
: >> the
: >> party.
: >
: > Yea, since neither Linux or Windows or even OS/X is secure out of the
box,
: > it would be nice if MS changed it's default install to one where all
: > services had to be selected in order to enable networking. It would
: > actually be nice if the install/setup process asked you if you were
: > running Home Computer Directly Connected to Internet, Home Computer
behind
: > a firewall with other computers, Business Computer behind a firewall
: > without a domain, business computer behind a firewall in a domain,
: > business computer directly connected to Internet.... and then setup the
: > services and security for the user - funny thing is that MS would not
have
: > to change the OS, just the install process, but I bet they won't do it
any
: > time soon.
:
: That's not that far removed from what actually happens. The ICW asks those
: very questions, and the SP2 Security Centre deals with the firewall and AV.
:
:
The question of what is wrong with Microsoft is simple but I welcome
corrections if I am wrong. <smile> Microsoft is a big company with not
enough competition and so Microsoft does things their way. If and when
Microsoft has enough competition from maybe Mozilla Firefox, Apple, Linux,
Unix, etc. then Microsoft *may* get off their high-horse and stop being lazy
and realize that they are not number 1 anymore and how ask the question of
how does Microsoft become number 1 again. I think many companies would like
to have monopolies in different areas but in the States not very many
companies have that luxury which I think is a good thing. Microsoft is
awesome at least to me on giving me support for my dual-boot 98SE/XP PRO.
system and I in turn write ideas that Microsoft should or may want to
incorporate into their products in the future. (In this case I stick mainly
with operating systems) Also, I beta test for Microsoft to help them out and
provide my feedback to them. They have been very helpful to me but were an
extremely tough company to crack. They finally wrote me back after much
persistence because they realized that I would not go away and that I could
help them as a company. Everyone have a great day.
Godspeed!
:
: : > On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:30:11 -0800, Lee Chapelle wrote:
: >
: >>
: >>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:58:01 -0800, Lee Chapelle wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>> The fact remains, that the prime directive of the Windows division is
: >>>> to
: >>>> reach the point where the average person can run Windows "out of the
: >>>> box"
: >>>> and have the same satisifying and trouble-free experience with it that
: >>>> the
: >>>> techno-geek does. This comes down from Bill Gates and imbues
everything
: >>>> the
: >>>> leviathan does.
: >>>
: >>> I welcome the day when some OS vendor does that and succeeds at it.
: >>
: >> Every time they get closer to that goal, there are more hackers and
: >> spammers
: >> and phishers and virus-spreaders and all forms of scumbags there to ruin
: >> the
: >> party.
: >
: > Yea, since neither Linux or Windows or even OS/X is secure out of the
box,
: > it would be nice if MS changed it's default install to one where all
: > services had to be selected in order to enable networking. It would
: > actually be nice if the install/setup process asked you if you were
: > running Home Computer Directly Connected to Internet, Home Computer
behind
: > a firewall with other computers, Business Computer behind a firewall
: > without a domain, business computer behind a firewall in a domain,
: > business computer directly connected to Internet.... and then setup the
: > services and security for the user - funny thing is that MS would not
have
: > to change the OS, just the install process, but I bet they won't do it
any
: > time soon.
:
: That's not that far removed from what actually happens. The ICW asks those
: very questions, and the SP2 Security Centre deals with the firewall and AV.
:
:
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Gary S. Terhune
I am requesting that you *not* add Win98.Gen_Discussion NG to this
conversation. We have enough trolls of our own. Take this stupid
discussion back where it belongs.
conversation. We have enough trolls of our own. Take this stupid
discussion back where it belongs.
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kurttrail
Gary said:I am requesting that you *not* add Win98.Gen_Discussion NG to this
conversation. We have enough trolls of our own. Take this stupid
discussion back where it belongs.
LOL! Then you should have set the Reply-To!
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Lee Chapelle
Ad said:It deals with a firewall, which is only just about worth having, it
certainly do not deal with the AV, since you still have to install one.
Windows does not yet include a free AV scanner, when it eventually does,
people will scream restraint of trade. For now they will have to be
satisfied complaining that it doesn't have one.
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Gary S. Terhune
That was deliberate. Note that I make no mention of, nor did I include
any part of, the original discussion. I deliberately left the door open
for direct replies to my specific issue, since I do not read XP Groups.
The Windows XP General Discussion group is Troll City, as has always
been the case for the general discussion group dealing with the current
MS desktop OS. Don't quite understand the motive behind said trolls--I
mean, if you don't like MS, why not just go elsewhere?
Win98 is dead and headed for the cemetery, and my current mission is to
help the lingering grievers in letting go. Kindly let us get on with our
dirges in peace. Have a little respect.
any part of, the original discussion. I deliberately left the door open
for direct replies to my specific issue, since I do not read XP Groups.
The Windows XP General Discussion group is Troll City, as has always
been the case for the general discussion group dealing with the current
MS desktop OS. Don't quite understand the motive behind said trolls--I
mean, if you don't like MS, why not just go elsewhere?
Win98 is dead and headed for the cemetery, and my current mission is to
help the lingering grievers in letting go. Kindly let us get on with our
dirges in peace. Have a little respect.
B
BBUNNY
Lee Chapelle wrote:
|| Lee Chapelle wrote:
||
|||
|||
||| That's not that far removed from what actually happens. The ICW asks
||| those very questions, and the SP2 Security Centre deals with the
||| firewall and AV.
|||
||
|| It deals with a firewall, which is only just about worth having, it
|| certainly do not deal with the AV, since you still have to install
|| one.
|
| Windows does not yet include a free AV scanner, when it eventually
| does, people will scream restraint of trade. For now they will have
| to be satisfied complaining that it doesn't have one.
NOSTALGIA
Remember the AV that came with MSDOS 6.22 and it put little files in
all the directories.
|| Lee Chapelle wrote:
||
|||
|||
||| That's not that far removed from what actually happens. The ICW asks
||| those very questions, and the SP2 Security Centre deals with the
||| firewall and AV.
|||
||
|| It deals with a firewall, which is only just about worth having, it
|| certainly do not deal with the AV, since you still have to install
|| one.
|
| Windows does not yet include a free AV scanner, when it eventually
| does, people will scream restraint of trade. For now they will have
| to be satisfied complaining that it doesn't have one.
NOSTALGIA
Remember the AV that came with MSDOS 6.22 and it put little files in
all the directories.
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Ad
I was shocked that nothing was said about the firewall, I be even moreLee said:Windows does not yet include a free AV scanner, when it eventually does,
people will scream restraint of trade. For now they will have to be
satisfied complaining that it doesn't have one.
shocked inf nothing is said about a Anti-virus being built into XP.
I think the E.u will stop that happening.
TBH, I do not think it is a good idea anyway, people should have the
choice and MS should sell any virus checker, firewall and Anti-Spyware
software as a separate package.
I think Microsoft is going to far, but then I thought they was going to
far when they bundled Internet exploder in windows.
Microsoft should have been stopped years ago, they got too much of a
monopoly and it is not good for people.
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That was before my time with P.Cs, I started using the P.c platformBBUNNY said:NOSTALGIA
Remember the AV that came with MSDOS 6.22 and it put little files in
all the directories.
about 1996, before that I was using the Amiga.
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Lee Chapelle
BBUNNY said:Lee Chapelle wrote:
|| Lee Chapelle wrote:
||
|||
|||
||| That's not that far removed from what actually happens. The ICW asks
||| those very questions, and the SP2 Security Centre deals with the
||| firewall and AV.
|||
||
|| It deals with a firewall, which is only just about worth having, it
|| certainly do not deal with the AV, since you still have to install
|| one.
|
| Windows does not yet include a free AV scanner, when it eventually
| does, people will scream restraint of trade. For now they will have
| to be satisfied complaining that it doesn't have one.
NOSTALGIA
Remember the AV that came with MSDOS 6.22 and it put little files in
all the directories.
I go back far enough to have used MS-DOS 6, but I was not aware of that.
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kurttrail
Ad said:I was shocked that nothing was said about the firewall, I be even more
shocked inf nothing is said about a Anti-virus being built into XP.
I think the E.u will stop that happening.
TBH, I do not think it is a good idea anyway, people should have the
choice and MS should sell any virus checker, firewall and Anti-Spyware
software as a separate package.
I think Microsoft is going to far, but then I thought they was going
to far when they bundled Internet exploder in windows.
Microsoft should have been stopped years ago, they got too much of a
monopoly and it is not good for people.
Yeah, imagine if MS got into the hamburger business! Instead of having
choice of hamburgers, or "have it your way," you would only be able to
have a hamburger Bill Gates way!
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Dan
Well with crappy Symantec and their poor support I hope Microsoft can do a
little better. Perhaps Symantec will shape up their act too. Now if we can
only have a good competitor to Microsoft in the operating system arena then
life will be good indeed. :>
: Lee Chapelle wrote:
: >
: > Windows does not yet include a free AV scanner, when it eventually does,
: > people will scream restraint of trade. For now they will have to be
: > satisfied complaining that it doesn't have one.
: >
: >
: I was shocked that nothing was said about the firewall, I be even more
: shocked inf nothing is said about a Anti-virus being built into XP.
: I think the E.u will stop that happening.
: TBH, I do not think it is a good idea anyway, people should have the
: choice and MS should sell any virus checker, firewall and Anti-Spyware
: software as a separate package.
:
: I think Microsoft is going to far, but then I thought they was going to
: far when they bundled Internet exploder in windows.
: Microsoft should have been stopped years ago, they got too much of a
: monopoly and it is not good for people.
:
:
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little better. Perhaps Symantec will shape up their act too. Now if we can
only have a good competitor to Microsoft in the operating system arena then
life will be good indeed. :>
: Lee Chapelle wrote:
: >
: > Windows does not yet include a free AV scanner, when it eventually does,
: > people will scream restraint of trade. For now they will have to be
: > satisfied complaining that it doesn't have one.
: >
: >
: I was shocked that nothing was said about the firewall, I be even more
: shocked inf nothing is said about a Anti-virus being built into XP.
: I think the E.u will stop that happening.
: TBH, I do not think it is a good idea anyway, people should have the
: choice and MS should sell any virus checker, firewall and Anti-Spyware
: software as a separate package.
:
: I think Microsoft is going to far, but then I thought they was going to
: far when they bundled Internet exploder in windows.
: Microsoft should have been stopped years ago, they got too much of a
: monopoly and it is not good for people.
:
:
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kurttrail said:Yeah, imagine if MS got into the hamburger business! Instead of having
choice of hamburgers, or "have it your way," you would only be able to
have a hamburger Bill Gates way!
Bad if you eat hamburgers/beefburgers or what ever people call them.
The only time I eat them is at home and that is not very often.
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Dan said:Well with crappy Symantec and their poor support I hope Microsoft can do a
little better. Perhaps Symantec will shape up their act too. Now if we can
only have a good competitor to Microsoft in the operating system arena then
life will be good indeed. :>
I do not use Symantec as there software is like a virus in itself, it
seems to take over the computer. The only software I use of theirs is
Ghost. Symantec got plenty of competition. It just that some people
seems to buy the first package they see.
Also plenty of free Virus checkers that work just as well if not better
than anything symantec produce.
As for OS, there is Linux which is getting more of a foot hold, it is a
shame that the software is not available for it and that it is not easy
to use.
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Leythos
Well with crappy Symantec and their poor support I hope Microsoft can do
a little better. Perhaps Symantec will shape up their act too.
I've always found Symantec non-suite products to work well on our machines
as well as our clinet machines. We only purchase the Symantec Corporate
Edition AV products and some of the Norton AV product, never the Security
products.
Now if we can only have a good competitor to Microsoft in the operating
system arena then life will be good indeed.
There are plenty of OS's that are as good, the problem is not those OS's
being on the same level, but being able to run MS applications on those
OS's. As many version of Linux are now very good looking desktop OS's the
only problem is that the applications don't fully support
importing/exporting to the complementary Widnows application.
As an example of how far they have come, I can give my mother in-law a
Fedora Core 3 cd-set and she can install it as easily as Windows XP, the
difference is that she's secure at the OS when it's done installing.
Another example of how far they've come is the product called CrossOver,
it actually allows you to run MS Office XP on a Linux box - you install
office from the MS cd just like you do on Windows 2000/XP.