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Bob
And now you are doing what you accuse others of doing "hominem attack".
Now your showing your real side.
Now your showing your real side.
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Nina DiBoy
Richard said:In other words, you are giving HP another 8-12 months to get their ducks
in a row. You don't think they had enough time already to create the
drivers? Gee. Somehow it looks like HP is at fault here and waiting for
SP1 or SP2 is just giving them time to do what they couldn't/wouldn't do
in a timely fashion.
They aren't the only ones.
If HP still doesn't have the drivers at that time, will you suggest to
wait till SP3? Of course you will because you are so against Vista.
Vista is fine ***NOW***
As fine as any other MS OS when newly released. They only release beta
quality software.
SP1 will just make it that much better.
OMG, I hope so.
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Nina DiBoy
Dale said:I thought that was what the betas and release candidates were for?
That's what Vista is now IMHO. And I'm not the only person to carry
this opinion.
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Nina DiBoy
Alias said:Really? And that being what? Your agenda seems to be to insult anyone
that doesn't post anything but praise for MS.
Alias
Is it so organized as an agenda, or is it that Dick just has no self
control to bin the posts he doesn't like? LOL
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Nina DiBoy
Richard said:Bubba made you feel "that" good?
Please stop projecting your fantasies in the group. TMI!
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Nina DiBoy
Richard said:Forget it Bob. This dude is in his own world. He thinks things and then
says he writes them as record. His real record shows him for what he is
- unknowledgeable in Vista, and not likely to become so.
Alias seems wiser than most who have already gotten Vista to me, as he
knows to wait and not run MS beta software that has been "released".
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Chris
Alias said:Time passes. SP 1 appears and so do new drivers and new hardware. Follow
me so far? More time passes and SP 2 makes the scene and so do new
drivers and new hardware. Is it falling into place yet? Need I spell it
out for you even more?
To put it another way. A lot of time has passed since XP came out and
finding hardware drivers for XP is easy.
Alias
I agree. I tell people to this day not to migrate from Win98 until XP
SP3 comes out, because there be more drivers and fewer bugs. (I could
not keep people, for the life of me, from moving from 3.11 to Win95. I
told them to stay until 3.12 at least.)
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Chris
Nina said:That's what Vista is now IMHO. And I'm not the only person to carry
this opinion.
You also are unlikely in the majority. My guess is that the majority of
people, vast majority of people, who get Vista on a new machine will
love it. Most who buy it and install it will love it to. Many who do
not will come here to complain and ask questions.
It is like this with all new software of this size. Hang around message
boards for Linux when a new distro comes out and look at how many
problems there are. When OSX first came out, it was not all that great
either. It lacked some things that are taken for granted in the newer
versions today and caused some real problems with people trying to
upgrade from OS9.
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Nina DiBoy
Chris said:You also are unlikely in the majority. My guess is that the majority of
people, vast majority of people, who get Vista on a new machine will
love it. Most who buy it and install it will love it to. Many who do
not will come here to complain and ask questions.
I didn't say people will or will not like vista. I'm saying that it's
probably the buggiest it will ever be now because it was just released.
It is like this with all new software of this size. Hang around message
boards for Linux when a new distro comes out and look at how many
problems there are. When OSX first came out, it was not all that great
either. It lacked some things that are taken for granted in the newer
versions today and caused some real problems with people trying to
upgrade from OS9.
To an extent. MS is the company who gets the most publicity for their
bugs, exploits, security vulnerabilities, and incompatibilities in their
new products.
I also think that people who can't use their iTunes/iPods, or who
upgrade, or who have product keys they purchased that they can't use, or
who get screwed by MS DRM are NOT going to like vista very much.
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Nathan Alden
Hold the phone! Apple enthusiast coming through! <crash!>
Oww! Hate when that happens. Still can't drive a wheelchair no matter how
long I've been doing it.
AHEM!
Responding to comments re: OS X
OSX didn't really hit mainstream status until the release of 10.1 in 2001;
the original OS X just didn't have enough punch and was too buggy to
actually serve a worthwhile purpose. It was eye candy, for the most part.
Developers (including MS) began to come on board when Apple updated to
10.1, but that release was still very clunky. The kernel wasn't quite up to
snuff, either; five patches were needed to bring any sense of stability.
By the time Jaguar was let loose in '02, users of OS X could safely leave OS
9 behind. They had more stability and more app support. In addition, they
had established a level of interoperability with non-Mac systems, which
remains to this day.
In '03, Panther improved on the gains Jaguar had made. It also added file
encryption and journaling, not to mention speed and stability improvements.
Quartz Extreme, an advanced rendering API, made its debut. So much was
going on under the hood, that system-level tools would not run. Users would
have to update many, if not most of their diagnostic tools and other
utilities in order to roll with the changes. Nonetheless, Panther is still
considered the hallmark OS for vintage G3's.
Enter Tiger in '04. This release added more wow than previous iterations,
what with desk applets (Widgets) and meta-search (Spotlight). A macro
builder (Automator) also burst on the scene. But yet again, a number of
under-the-hood enhancements also assured that low-level tools would not be
compatible and therefore would need upgrades (Interesting aside: Symantec
bowed out of the Mac tools business after Tiger, presumably because there
wasn't enough of a market for its Mac software; the software itself carried
an ugly reputation for wrecking what it should have fixed.)
Now Apple has changed cores, and so is requiring all developers to adopt fat
binaries while users contemplate making the jump from PowerPC to Intel.
Most of the transition has gone smoothly, but some developers (as Quark)
have caused headaches for old Macs while trying to embrace the new. Others
(as Adobe and Microsoft) hold fast to their ways and appear reluctant to
adapt to the changes.
More pain will come later this year as Leopard pounces on Macdom; developers
will have to avoid getting warped by Time Machine (Apple's active backup
utility) and learn to deal with virtual desktops. Also, Leopard will focus
on new "Core" APIs as well as increased user safety. Without a doubt, the
features Apple plans to add or change will break something somewhere when
users need it most. But Apple, as any other software maker, will fix what's
broken with enough time and user feedback.
And so Vista follows in the same footsteps trod by its forerunners. Looks
very slick, this Vista, but there are still problems that need addressing.
These problems will be addressed as they are found, but only if Microsoft
and we, the computing public, collaborate to find them.
To the matter at hand: No two vendors share the same opinion with regards to
how or when drivers will become available. But drivers will come. They
almost always do.
Nate
Oww! Hate when that happens. Still can't drive a wheelchair no matter how
long I've been doing it.
AHEM!
Responding to comments re: OS X
OSX didn't really hit mainstream status until the release of 10.1 in 2001;
the original OS X just didn't have enough punch and was too buggy to
actually serve a worthwhile purpose. It was eye candy, for the most part.
Developers (including MS) began to come on board when Apple updated to
10.1, but that release was still very clunky. The kernel wasn't quite up to
snuff, either; five patches were needed to bring any sense of stability.
By the time Jaguar was let loose in '02, users of OS X could safely leave OS
9 behind. They had more stability and more app support. In addition, they
had established a level of interoperability with non-Mac systems, which
remains to this day.
In '03, Panther improved on the gains Jaguar had made. It also added file
encryption and journaling, not to mention speed and stability improvements.
Quartz Extreme, an advanced rendering API, made its debut. So much was
going on under the hood, that system-level tools would not run. Users would
have to update many, if not most of their diagnostic tools and other
utilities in order to roll with the changes. Nonetheless, Panther is still
considered the hallmark OS for vintage G3's.
Enter Tiger in '04. This release added more wow than previous iterations,
what with desk applets (Widgets) and meta-search (Spotlight). A macro
builder (Automator) also burst on the scene. But yet again, a number of
under-the-hood enhancements also assured that low-level tools would not be
compatible and therefore would need upgrades (Interesting aside: Symantec
bowed out of the Mac tools business after Tiger, presumably because there
wasn't enough of a market for its Mac software; the software itself carried
an ugly reputation for wrecking what it should have fixed.)
Now Apple has changed cores, and so is requiring all developers to adopt fat
binaries while users contemplate making the jump from PowerPC to Intel.
Most of the transition has gone smoothly, but some developers (as Quark)
have caused headaches for old Macs while trying to embrace the new. Others
(as Adobe and Microsoft) hold fast to their ways and appear reluctant to
adapt to the changes.
More pain will come later this year as Leopard pounces on Macdom; developers
will have to avoid getting warped by Time Machine (Apple's active backup
utility) and learn to deal with virtual desktops. Also, Leopard will focus
on new "Core" APIs as well as increased user safety. Without a doubt, the
features Apple plans to add or change will break something somewhere when
users need it most. But Apple, as any other software maker, will fix what's
broken with enough time and user feedback.
And so Vista follows in the same footsteps trod by its forerunners. Looks
very slick, this Vista, but there are still problems that need addressing.
These problems will be addressed as they are found, but only if Microsoft
and we, the computing public, collaborate to find them.
To the matter at hand: No two vendors share the same opinion with regards to
how or when drivers will become available. But drivers will come. They
almost always do.
Nate
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