What's the cheapest OS upgrade?

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John Doe

Without looking, yet...

I heard that OEM versions are no more? So what's the cheapest
upgrade to the most likely longest lasting Windows OS? Talking
about using it on my homebuilt PC.

Not that I will, unless there is a reason to upgrade from Windows
XP. I don't know of one, yet. Mainly wondering about current
Windows upgrade options.
 
D

David

Without looking, yet...

I heard that OEM versions are no more? So what's the cheapest upgrade to
the most likely longest lasting Windows OS? Talking about using it on my
homebuilt PC.

Not that I will, unless there is a reason to upgrade from Windows XP. I
don't know of one, yet. Mainly wondering about current Windows upgrade
options.

format C:
http://www.fedoraproject.org

:)
 
F

Flasherly

Without looking, yet...

I heard that OEM versions are no more? So what's the cheapest
upgrade to the most likely longest lasting Windows OS? Talking
about using it on my homebuilt PC.

Not that I will, unless there is a reason to upgrade from Windows
XP. I don't know of one, yet. Mainly wondering about current
Windows upgrade options.

Newegg or Fatwallet posts an occasional sale on those things. May be
a prior registration is involved from an earlier point for a sub-$100
upgrade package. Longest lasting. . .where have you been, Rip Van
Winkle. . .that went out with America's greatest contribution to
humanity as we know it: Planned Obsolesce. Thank Henry Ford and the
Model A, bit of an odd fellow on personal terms unless I'm mistaking
him for Edison.
 
M

Man-wai Chang

Not that I will, unless there is a reason to upgrade from Windows
XP. I don't know of one, yet. Mainly wondering about current
Windows upgrade options.

End of WinXP support: 2014

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Lynn McGuire

Without looking, yet...

I heard that OEM versions are no more? So what's the cheapest
upgrade to the most likely longest lasting Windows OS? Talking
about using it on my homebuilt PC.

Not that I will, unless there is a reason to upgrade from Windows
XP. I don't know of one, yet. Mainly wondering about current
Windows upgrade options.

Yes, the OEM versions are now called System Builder
versions, Windows 7 Home Premium System Builder is $99.99:
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Builder/dp/B004Q0PT3I/

Personally, I buy the Retail version though which
is $169.99:
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Builder/dp/B004Q0PT3I/

Lynn
 
K

KR

Without looking, yet...

I heard that OEM versions are no more? So what's the cheapest
upgrade to the most likely longest lasting Windows OS? Talking
about using it on my homebuilt PC.

Not that I will, unless there is a reason to upgrade from Windows
XP. I don't know of one, yet. Mainly wondering about current
Windows upgrade options.



Still with XP, its relatively stable, there is a decade of knowledge
on it out there on the net
for almost anything you want to do with it, and pretty much everything
still runs on it.
There are problems with support for hard drives bigger than 2TB, It
wont use memory above
3-4 GB, and I dont think it supports multi-touch touch screens -
whether there are fixes for the
above or not, I don't know.

I did try Vista for some time on a new laptop, but after a few months
I ended up going to XP as soon
as the manufacturer made the XP drivers available for download.


http://www.btmon.com/torrent/?f=windows+7

download it and give it a try, if you don't like it you can delete
it,

If you like it you can keep it, and or/buy it and be assured that part
of your money
will go to support things like SOPA, PIPA and CISPA and god knows what
else.
 
K

KR

KR said:
Still with XP, its relatively stable, there is a decade of knowledge
on it out there on the net
for almost anything you want to do with it, and pretty much everything
still runs on it.
There are problems with support for hard drives bigger than 2TB, It
wont use memory above
3-4 GB, and I dont think it supports multi-touch touch screens -
whether there are fixes for the
above or not, I don't know.

Should add that Xp 64 does overcome the memory and hard drive problems
but in my experience, it keeps bugger all "system restore" points, and
also
doesn't support some programs that XP 32 will.
Admittedly these are mostly commercial softwares and devices that we
use here that the average consumer would never
use.

It is very stable and doesnt give as many problems as XP though.
 
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Paul

John said:
But I was hoping Microsoft would pay me, for a change.
:D

A question for 64-bit proponents...
They are still offering a 32-bit version of Windows, why?
Unless I see a reason to go with 64-bit, I won't risk it.

If it works at least as well as XP, if Macrium Reflect can handle
it, it's a no-brainer.

Thanks.

My laptop shipped with 3GB of RAM, and had a 64 bit OS install.
It could just as easily have had a 32 bit OS installed instead,
and still been able to address all the RAM. That's one benefit of
a 64 bit OS, is the ability to handle more RAM.

The biggest speed improvement I ever got out of a 64 bit OS,
was a numeric calculation that went 1.65x what a 32 bit version
of the same program could manage. It's because the library used,
did 64 bit math calculations, instead of 32 bit ones. And instead
of doubling performance, it weighed in at 1.65x. Still not enough,
when the basic algorithm was about 1000x slower than needed.

You can run the 32 bit version just fine, subject to the Microsoft
RAM license (the 4GB limit, which is not a technical limit, but an
artificial limit).

As for Macrium Reflect, it's probably still under development, so
there'd be a version for Windows 7. But the "system image" capability
built into Windows 7 is just as good. While the OS is running,
the "system image" function can make a backup of C: as a .vhd file.
It uses VSS (volume shadow service) just like Macrium does. And a
..vhd can be mounted in a virtual machine, if you needed to access a
single file for some reason. In fact, when I want to inspect the files
on my laptop, I have a 26GB .vhd from the laptop on my WinXP machine.
And if I load that into VPC2007, I can access single files, count
the number of files, see how many files are hard linked and so on.
And it's because the .vhd is an exact copy of the original (without
sector-by-sector copying - only the busy sectors are copied). The OS
knows where all the metadata is, where the file clusters are, and
copies everything.

As far as adopting Windows 7 or Windows 8, it's all a matter
of whether the interface is to your liking. I don't particularly
like Windows 7, because of its reliance on text and typing.
The search was nasty enough, that I turned on indexing so it
would run faster. I've never enabled indexing on any other
OS. And even with the interface speeded up (for things relying
on search to work), the GUI can still be clumsy when displaying
results (generating an index, tends to create more irrelevant
search results).

To generate an index of my 26GB of content on C: in Windows 7,
takes around 3 hours. Even though I used the interface and told
the tool to *not* index file contents - all I wanted was for file
name search to work, but the indexer just ignores your request
and indexes everything anyway. If it had worked at the file level,
indexing would probably take around 2 minutes.

*******

If you wanted a reason to go 64 bit, Adobe is now making some of
their most recent tools only available in 64 bit versions. Now,
not a lot of people can afford an Adobe Suite, so this is a small
loss in terms of opportunities.

Paul
 
J

John Doe

Paul said:
As for Macrium Reflect, it's probably still under development,
so there'd be a version for Windows 7. But the "system image"
capability built into Windows 7 is just as good. While the OS is
running, the "system image" function can make a backup of C: as
a .vhd file. It uses VSS (volume shadow service) just like
Macrium does. And a .vhd can be mounted in a virtual machine, if
you needed to access a single file for some reason. In fact,
when I want to inspect the files on my laptop, I have a 26GB
.vhd from the laptop on my WinXP machine. And if I load that
into VPC2007, I can access single files, count the number of
files, see how many files are hard linked and so on.

Is it easy as Macrium Reflect? Can you see the archive's file
structure, like in Windows Explorer? Can you copy and paste, and
drag-and-drop? Macrium Reflect allows those operations from within
Windows Explorer when browsing a Macrium Reflect drive C archive
image.
And it's because the .vhd is an exact copy of the original
(without sector-by-sector copying - only the busy sectors are
copied). The OS knows where all the metadata is, where the file
clusters are, and copies everything.

As far as adopting Windows 7 or Windows 8, it's all a matter of
whether the interface is to your liking.

Someday we will have to migrate from Windows XP.

--
 
F

Fishface

John Doe
Is it easy as Macrium Reflect? Can you see the archive's file
structure, like in Windows Explorer? Can you copy and paste, and
drag-and-drop? Macrium Reflect allows those operations from within
Windows Explorer when browsing a Macrium Reflect drive C archive
image.

Macrium Reflect works just fine on Windows 7 x64. With 16 GB of RAM, I
keep a bunch of stuff open all the time and it transitions instantly. I would
never go back to 32 bit Windows. The only thing I don't like is the search
feature. I understand there are some search replacements, but I have not yet
tried any.
 
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Paul

John said:
Is it easy as Macrium Reflect? Can you see the archive's file
structure, like in Windows Explorer? Can you copy and paste, and
drag-and-drop? Macrium Reflect allows those operations from within
Windows Explorer when browsing a Macrium Reflect drive C archive
image.


Someday we will have to migrate from Windows XP.

Windows 7 has a backup function, one which I've never used.
And it's not the traditional "ntbackup" either.

The "system image" function is a separate thing. For me,
it's quick and easy, and I don't have to select anything, other
than tell it which partitions to copy. Right now, it is set to
copy C: and "System Reserved" boot partitions. My "data" partition,
which doesn't have a lot on it, is not on the backup list. I set it
up once, and haven't needed to change it. If I'm about to do
something dangerous to the laptop, I do one of those first.

I use the "system image", whenever the laptop won't boot. The laptop
has refused to boot twice, once recovered by the automatic recovery
procedures (takes up to three reboots or so max, before it gives up).
A second time, the automatic recovery couldn't fix it, and I restored
from the "system image" in about 20 minutes or so. Booted and all fine.
Because I'd made the system image within the last day, there wasn't
even anything to lose. (That was pure luck, as I've only made about
half a dozen of those backups since I got the laptop.)

One minor irritation with Windows 7, is the designers tried to use
every feature that the NTFS file system has got. In the past,
there were a few features they didn't really use (like Alternate
Streams). But it almost seemed like they were on a mission this
time, to use as many features as the file system possessed. And
for me, when trying to maintain the OS, it means there's a bunch
of stuff I don't yet understand. And it makes me nervous when
doing maintenance (fear of breaking stuff). And the two "failure
to boot" situations, did not help matters.

I can't say I've had "failure to boot" with my other OSes.
Even Win98SE was as well behaved as could be here. Never a problem
of note in terms of falling over. I had the usual issues when installing
more than 512MB of RAM in the Win98 computer, but that one is well
understood (recipe available via search engine). I've even installed
Win98 on a 2GB computer (you stop after the first stage of installation
and tell the OS to ignore everything over 512MB, which is cheating).
Win98 screams on a Core2 :) Even if it is limited to using only one core.

Paul
 
J

John Doe

which do you recommend ?

When talking about an operating system in this group, you should
assume Windows.

I specifically said "Windows".

You can discuss anything, but you are off-topic in this thread.

You could at least start your own thread.

You are mostly in the wrong group.

You would get more attention or at least better answers in a Linux
group.

....
 
J

John Doe

Then again, this is an excellent application for a newsreader's ignore-
thread-branch function.
 

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