What was the last Intel chipset that had Win-98 Drivers?

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PC Guy

Which 8xx and 9xx Socket 775 chipsets have Win-98 driver support?

Can anyone name any Socket 775 motherboards with win-98 drivers?

Are there any PCI-Express motherboards with Win-98 support?
 
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puneetbrar

PC said:
Which 8xx and 9xx Socket 775 chipsets have Win-98 driver support?

Can anyone name any Socket 775 motherboards with win-98 drivers?

Are there any PCI-Express motherboards with Win-98 support?


i dont think so there is any as microsoft stopped giving support to
windows 98 these guys stopped it tooo i dont think so ther is any
 
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Paul

Which 8xx and 9xx Socket 775 chipsets have Win-98 driver support?

Can anyone name any Socket 775 motherboards with win-98 drivers?

Are there any PCI-Express motherboards with Win-98 support?

The answer would appear to be a deep dark secret.

To help you, try this. Go to:

http://www.msi.com.tw/index.htm

and enter "win98" in the upper right search box. Leave the menu
next to it set to "All". Click the tiny arrow to the right of it.
You will get a page with 500+ hits for the search term. One
of the first web pages listed, is for a product using 915P.
It says Win98 is not supported. That tells me that any 9xx
motherboard is not going to be a good candidate for Win98.

I would look for a motherboard based on 865/875/848 and having
an LGA775 socket. Asus P5P800SE is an example. Other companies
make hybrids using old chipsets and LGA775 as well. That means
you'll be using an AGP slot and DDR memory. With any luck, at
least with the P5P800SE, there will be a separate download for an
Intel-provided USB driver for Win98.

On Nvidia, Nforce3 was the last chipset with Win98 support.
I determined that from looking at the Nvidia download page
a while back. There are mainly AMD S754 single channel boards
with Nforce3, and a select few S939 boards that used Nforce3
(from Gigabyte perhaps). I would guess Nforce3 has been out
of production for a while, so finding a rich assortment of
products based on that chip is unlikely.

There are other chipset companies, but you didn't ask about
them :) You can try visiting the sis.com site or viaarena.com
and see if they are any better. Perhaps you can see a pattern
to their support from their download pages. A quick check on
ATI site, shows they don't offer chipset drivers for download,
so you have to slog through a motherboard site to figure out
what ATI chipsets support.

After slogging through a few pages, maybe an SIS662 offers
some modern technology. I went to sis.com/download, clicked
Win98 and looked for an IGP driver, and SIS662 is the most
modern chipset listed. It means SIS662 just might be the most
modern chipset that works with Win98 (maybe).

Here is a motherboard with SIS662.

Abit SG-95 microATX - DDR2-667, PCI-E x16 vid, FSB800.
http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=328

Hmmm. Their compat page shows Conroe ? (FSB1066?)
http://www2.abit.com.tw/test-report/sg-95.htm

And the Abit download page offers no drivers for SG-95 :-(
So now the mystery about Win98/ME remains. I checked a few
other manufacturer sites, and no one seems to have a
662 chipset board ready.

You've picked a challenging project.

Have fun looking,
Paul
 
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PC Guy

Paul said:
To help you, try this. Go to:

http://www.msi.com.tw/index.htm

The problem with going to the motherboard makers is that I frequently
see specs such as "Supported OS: Windows 2000/XP/2003" and then when
I download their driver and unpack it, I see a Windows-98 and
Windows-ME subdirectory.

I know I mentioned Socket 775, but here's an interesting board:

AOpen i915GMm-HFS Intel Socket 479

That has chipset support for Win-98 (which I found by downloading the
driver and looking at it) but perhaps not video or audio support. How
many other motherboards have HDTV / Component video output? What
video cards have that?

So I don't necessarily believe their superficial OS specs.

Which means that if Intel has ICH drivers for a certain chipset for
Win-98, then at least that's a starting point.
There are other chipset companies, but you didn't ask about
them :)

I've never been happy with SIS or VIA.

I'll have a look at your links though. Thanx.
 
D

DaveW

Sorry, but you are out of luck. Win 98 support ended with the early Socket
478 P4 boards. You are too far out of date with that OS.
 
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PC Guy

DaveW said:
Sorry, but you are out of luck. Win 98 support ended with the
early Socket 478 P4 boards. You are too far out of date with
that OS.

You should check your facts before you post.

Support for Win-98 is plentiful for most if not all socket-478 boards,
including those for prescott, as well as Pentium-M.

What I'm looking for is the exact cut-off from Intel. I'm fairly sure
that any or all 8xx-based motherboards come with CD's with 98
drivers. The 8xx chips became available from mid-2002 through late
2003 (the last one being 865GV in Sept 2003) with Southbridge ICH5R.

The 9xx series chipsets is where (I think) pci-express starts. The
910/910GL appears to support both socket 775 and socket 478 and
PCI-Express, but others (like 915 and above) only seem to support
socket 775.

I appear to be correct, because from here:

http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/cs-011594.htm

We can look at some information about the 910GL:

http://support.intel.com/products/chipsets/910gl/index.htm

Or we can look here for the chipset driver:

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/Product_Filter.aspx?ProductID=816

And Win-98 is available as an option.

But Win-98 is also an option for the 915G/GV/P as well (and those are
socket 775).
 
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Conor

Which 8xx and 9xx Socket 775 chipsets have Win-98 driver support?

Can anyone name any Socket 775 motherboards with win-98 drivers?

Are there any PCI-Express motherboards with Win-98 support?
More importantly, why the **** would anyone want to put a crap Win9x OS
on anything remotely modern?

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kony

More importantly, why the **** would anyone want to put a crap Win9x OS
on anything remotely modern?


Possibly because certain software or hardware (drivers)
don't support NT.
 
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PC Guy

Conor said:
More importantly, why the **** would anyone want to put a crap
Win9x OS on anything remotely modern?

Because XP is steaming pile of shit that was designed for industrial
use (read: corporations with hundreds or thousands of PC's). Because
XP systems became trojan and virus infested pieces of crap since the
day XP came out until late 2004 when SP2 came out. Because I don't
need an OS with remote-this and remote-that services running on it.

Because Micro$haft needs to bring out a new OS every 2 years and
suckers like you buy into them hook, line and sinker, even though you
curse and scowl at them for being an illegal monopoly - for being an
evil empire with a totalitarian mindset.

Win-98se is actually only 1.5 years older than XP. It can handle very
large hard drives, it can handle at least 512 mb of ram (and usually
at least 768 mb), runs very fast on P-4 systems with SATA, etc etc
etc.

How many times has your XP system phoned home to Milkro$haft to check
and see if it's still legal? How many updates and patches did you
download today?
 
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kony

Because XP is steaming pile of shit that was designed for industrial
use (read: corporations with hundreds or thousands of PC's).

- Vista is now the steaming pile

- That doesn't make XP any better or worse as a result even
though as soon as Vista is released, somebody is bound to
pretend XP is now crap when /they/ though it was great
previously.

- XP is designed for simplifed (aka - dumbed down) UI and
multimedia. It's the home users XP was targeted towards,
corporations are still reluctant to move away from Win9x and
2K.
Because
XP systems became trojan and virus infested pieces of crap since the
day XP came out until late 2004 when SP2 came out.

SP2 wasn't necessarily a cure-all, even simple things to
exploit on a webpage like VML, persisted.

Much of the same vulnerabilities in XP, are the same in W98
if you use IE, OE, though I can appreciate not wanting to
pay MS for releasing an XP product specifically marketed for
improved security when the most frequent, common
vulnerabilities weren't addressed at all. I'd call that a
defective product.
Because I don't
need an OS with remote-this and remote-that services running on it.

Agreed, they should have taken a different approach in not
running things not expressly needed and later enabled.
Since they seem to like wizards so much, they should have
had an "enable stuff" wizard. Even so, other significant
limitations exist in W98 like 48bit LBA support, amount of
memory, dual core, driverless USB support, hardware drivers
now becoming rarer.

I think you'd be better off moving to win2k for a new system
than Win98 or XP, considering what you'd written.
Because Micro$haft needs to bring out a new OS every 2 years and
suckers like you buy into them hook, line and sinker, even though you
curse and scowl at them for being an illegal monopoly - for being an
evil empire with a totalitarian mindset.

Agreed, but it can also be reasonable to buy what is
necessaary to keep a system fully funcitonal, that not
excluding the hopes and expressions of a desire to find
another alternative. When will there be another
alternative? Sooner if the market perceives two things:

1) People are willing to pay for the alternatie, as they do
with Windows every 2 years or whatever-interval.

2) People expressing discontent, that the market segment
who wants something else, IS spending money- and would be
likely to spend money on another alternative when it becomes
viable (enough).

Win-98se is actually only 1.5 years older than XP. It can handle very
large hard drives, it can handle at least 512 mb of ram (and usually
at least 768 mb), runs very fast on P-4 systems with SATA, etc etc
etc.

Yes, it is an extremely fast GUI on a modern system and the
memory limits aren't such a problem for older software and
certain tasks. On the other hand, most drivers written for
98SE are quite old and newer drivers can make a system more
stable. Even with drivers developed more recently for W9x,
I don't expect as much time spent on new versions or
testing, especially since a lot of bugs are not found in
immediate testing but rather uncovered later.
How many times has your XP system phoned home to Milkro$haft to check
and see if it's still legal?

Yes that is a bit of an annoyance, even moreso if it thinks
it it's "legit", which has been happening every now and then
on large scales. Worse may be when support for pre-SP2
declines, as those who had found workarounds for XP's
weaknesses instead of waiting on SP2, have no good reason to
install SP2 now, except that they'll have to if they want
patches for some things (maybe, only time will tell what
MS's end of support really means for pre-SP2 XP).
How many updates and patches did you
download today?

One of the nicest things about old systems is you can just
clone that Win9x OS and the old apps, drive partition,
fairly quickly and have it take up a minor % of media space
on a newer system. Hit by a virus? No worry, restore the
whole partition in 2 minutes' time.
 
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PC Guy

kony said:
- Vista is now the steaming pile

Institutional and corporate customers will have no choice but to move
to vista because (a) they are slaves to their IT departments and (b)
IT nerds have been trained to run for the hills when Macro$haft utters
the words "end of support".

It took (most) people 4 years to see that XP is a pile of shit. They
didn't want to believe it back in 2002. Vista will aquire XP's smelly
reputation even before it comes out.
- XP is designed for simplifed (aka - dumbed down) UI and
multimedia. It's the home users XP was targeted towards,
corporations are still reluctant to move away from Win9x and
2K.

As much as I'd like to believe that corps are still using 98 (and 2k)
I can only believe that they are not.

Many corps have transitioned to new equipment in the past 4 years and
by default they will come with XP. IT nerds have been loath to keep
98 systems on their networks for at least the past 3 years. Remember
that 98 was supposed to be cut in 2004, and many IT departments
operated on that basis to move away from 98 (yes MS then extended 98
support by 2 years but by then it didn't matter to org's and corp's).

But yes, I'm betting that many developers are still using 2K as their
primary OS.

XP-home is an oxymoron because it's a slight variation on 2K - and 2K
was never positioned as an OS for home use. Who needs numerous
network services running at home? Who needs complex user hirearchy
and permission structures at home? Nobody. But MS's main customers
are institutions, gov'ts and corporations, and THEY need remote admin,
user accounts and permissions. Home users get that shit too because
MS doesn't want to build an OS specifically for SOHO use. They
cripple XP-pro a little (just enough) and call it XP-home. And oh
yea, let's turn on all these services for the home user for good
measure - and hope they don't get infected with shit from their
unmanaged broadband internet connection.
SP2 wasn't necessarily a cure-all, even simple things to
exploit on a webpage like VML, persisted.

SP2 was essentially a re-write of XP. Gates himself said that MS
basically gave the world a free upgrade when they released SP2. SP2
was an emergency measure that MS was forced to release - at the
expense of delaying Vista by a year.

BTW, you can patch 98's VML vulnerability (if indeed it is vulnerable)
by taking VGX.DLL from the recent 2K VML patch. Works fine.
Much of the same vulnerabilities in XP, are the same in W98
if you use IE, OE,

Not as many as you think. The absolute worst vulnerabilities in 2K
and XP resulted in direct network infection (about 5 different
vulnerabilities) that 98 was completely immune to. You couldn't even
connect an XP-gold or XP-SP1 system to the internet and download
patches fast enough before it would be infected.

Even a lot of the IE vulnerabilities were quirks with certain DLL's
that either 98 didn't have or caused IE to crash under 98 without
opening a vulnerability.

Macro$haft had a habbit in their advisories of telling the reader to
look at the FAQ section of the advisory for information about Win-98.
You go to the FAQ section and find no mention of Win-98 - but that
didn't matter because most people (journalists, etc) didn't go that
far and assumed that Win-98 was also vulnerable.

Go to Secunia.com and look at advisories for various products. As of
July 11, Win-98se had something like 30 security issues, and XP had
about 140.
I think you'd be better off moving to win2k for a new system
than Win98 or XP, considering what you'd written.

I've got some nice 875-based Gigabyte motherboards that I intend to
build some new systems around - with Win-98. Yes, at some point I
will dig out my MSDN CD's and find a 2K-pro CD and use it. But from
where I stand I'm seeing a lot LESS reason to upgrade hardware these
past few years compared to, say, the upgrade pace that happened from
P-1 to P-2 to P-3 which happened in only a few short years.
 
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Conor

How many times has your XP system phoned home to Milkro$haft to check
and see if it's still legal? How many updates and patches did you
download today?
Dunno but my uptime is in the 100's of days. Still having to reboot
Windows 98 every 47.9 days?


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JAD

How many times has your XP system phoned home to Milkro$haft to check
and see if it's still legal? How many updates and patches did you
download today?

Dunno but my uptime is in the 100's of days. Still having to reboot
Windows 98 every 47.9 days?

Your rig has priapism. God forbid that you would have to do something that
takes 30 seconds every fifity days...I stopped paying the utility companies
for my standby time.

-Snipped spam-
 
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kony

Dunno but my uptime is in the 100's of days. Still having to reboot
Windows 98 every 47.9 days?


That was patched years ago. Do you run your XP unpatched?

I'm not suggesting 9x can run nearly as long as 9x though,
but for some practical purposes it may not matter if the
whole OS crashes and has to be rebooted (9x), or if the app
you *need* to use, terminates poorly and you have to reboot
your still-working OS to get the app running again.
Remember that an OS is merely a means to run apps, not an
end onto itself.
 

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