what good is a password if EVERYone on the network has the same one?

[Lorne_Taylor]

this makes NO sense what's so ever to me.

 

[Gary Davis]

What do you mean?

Why would everyone have the same password?

 

[purplehaz]

It makes no sense cause you don't understand. For example here we have 15
computers all connect to a server computer that has a shared drive. On the
server user accounts are setup that match the user accounts on the 15 other
computers. Now.... everyone has a user setup on the server, but they are ALL
different. Each one of the 15 computers/users has their own user name and
password(all different). The accounts just has to exist on the server
computer in order for the single computers to connect to its share. Everyone
on the network does not have to have the same user name or password, they
must just have an account on the computer that's sharing so they can connect
to it. If xp let you connect with no users setup then that is no security at
all. Here xp makes sure you can have access to the share by validating that
your user is allowed to do so.

 

[Guest]

What are you talking about???

 

[Guest]

-----Original Message-----

this makes NO sense what's so ever to me.
.

It doesn't make sense, unless you're in a very trusting
network, I suppose. Perhaps network admin doesn't want to
deal with potential lost passwords, which is part of the
job in most cases.

 

[Lorne_Taylor]

It makes no sense cause you don't understand.

It does now. Sorta.
The problem with Two only computers sharing is that in order to do that one
computer would have to act as server.
This probably explains why I can access files on my old computer but it
cannot access files on my new one.
Windows 98 or at least the protocols behaved very differently. Sharing
between two computers was easy. No hassles at all.
Obviously Microsoft didn't design XP with two computers sharing equally in
mind.

 

[Lorne_Taylor]

It doesn't make sense, unless you're in a very trusting
network, I suppose. Perhaps network admin doesn't want to
deal with potential lost passwords, which is part of the
job in most cases.

My ENTIRE network consists of TWO computers sitting on the same desk in my
office.
I don't want to share printers or fax machines or internet connects. All I
want to do is share files and hadrdrives.
Very easy under Win98.
Microsoft in their wisdom decided that in order to share these files
between these two machines under XP the poor user (ME) has to jump through
more hoops than an al-Qaeda suspect at a US airport.
In fact I don't even know how to protect my computers from the outside
users when connected to the net. I have no idea if my files are safe now.
This was easy under Win98. Simply use a protocol not accessible to the net.

In their infinite wisdom Microsoft decided to exclude these from XP so like
users of OE XP users have to depend on Microsoft to protect their computers
from outside attack. We all know what a joke that is.

 

[purplehaz]

That's a good way to look at it. When your computers are networked, the one
your sitting at is the client and the other is the server(not technically a
server, but a good way to look at it).
I do agree that xp networking can be difficult to setup if you have no
experience with winNT or win2k. And that's only because it is more advanced
than win98 networking. XP has real security with permissions that run it
all. Win9x only uses a password scheme that can be hacked easily. Networking
in win9x may seem secure because of the false sense of password validation,
but trust me permissions and security in xp is alot more secure. User
account validation is alot better than a text password file.

 

[purplehaz]

My ENTIRE network consists of TWO computers sitting on the same desk in my
office.
I don't want to share printers or fax machines or internet connects. All I
want to do is share files and hadrdrives.
Very easy under Win98.
Microsoft in their wisdom decided that in order to share these files
between these two machines under XP the poor user (ME) has to jump through
more hoops than an al-Qaeda suspect at a US airport.
In fact I don't even know how to protect my computers from the outside
users when connected to the net. I have no idea if my files are safe now.
This was easy under Win98. Simply use a protocol not accessible to the net.

In their infinite wisdom Microsoft decided to exclude these from XP so like
users of OE XP users have to depend on Microsoft to protect their computers
from outside attack. We all know what a joke that is.

You protect yourself from outside people by using security and permissions.
If someone outside your network doesn't have a valid user account setup on
your computer then they don't get in, simple. (you shouldn't share the whole
c drive, just share folders or partitions).Also protect yourself with a
firewall. All people on the internet, no matter what os they use, should
always use a firewall. You're making more out of this than it really is. XP
is more secure than win9x when it comes to networking. If you can't
understand why, just take our word for it and be done with it.

 

[Gary Davis]

So install NetBEUI its on your CD.

My ENTIRE network consists of TWO computers sitting on the same desk in my
office.
I don't want to share printers or fax machines or internet connects. All I
want to do is share files and hadrdrives.
Very easy under Win98.
Microsoft in their wisdom decided that in order to share these files
between these two machines under XP the poor user (ME) has to jump through
more hoops than an al-Qaeda suspect at a US airport.
In fact I don't even know how to protect my computers from the outside
users when connected to the net. I have no idea if my files are safe now.
This was easy under Win98. Simply use a protocol not accessible to the net.

In their infinite wisdom Microsoft decided to exclude these from XP so like
users of OE XP users have to depend on Microsoft to protect their computers
from outside attack. We all know what a joke that is.

 

[John]

Forget about your computer problems. Enjoy your hatred for
microsoft. Cussing them out won't do you any good because
you are the problem.

John

 

[Lorne_Taylor]

Forget about your computer problems. Enjoy your hatred for
microsoft. Cussing them out won't do you any good because
you are the problem.

It's funny how much time I spend cleaning viruses from friends computers
who use OE.
I have never had a virus on my computer.

 

[Lorne_Taylor]

You protect yourself from outside people by using security and permissions.
If someone outside your network doesn't have a valid user account setup on
your computer then they don't get in, simple. (you shouldn't share the whole
c drive, just share folders or partitions).Also protect yourself with a
firewall. All people on the internet, no matter what os they use, should
always use a firewall.

Speaking of firewalls, I use two. Nortons and Sygate.
Sygate required me to unblock Microsoft Messenger before I could network my
computers.

You're making more out of this than it really is. XP
is more secure than win9x when it comes to networking. If you can't
understand why, just take our word for it and be done with it.

I have to take your word for it.
I have no idea if my new network is protected when I'm online.
Hopefully my firewalls are still working.

I would like to thank everyone in the group for their help.
I am somewhat less confused then when I first posted.
I've managed to get my new system up and running and I'm back to work.
XPPro managed to run for me 3 years without a problem so with any luck if
XPHome functions as well you won't hear from me for another 3 years.

Thanks again and goodbye.

Lorne