What do you mvp think about this?

[Greg R]

What do you mvp think about this?

http://www.betanews.com/article/Gates_Promises_Interoperable_Software/1107536147


Greg R

 

[Yves Leclerc]

Even with XML, it is still not "open" to everyone else.

 

[kurttrail]

What do you mvp think about this?

http://www.betanews.com/article/Gates_Promises_Interoperable_Software/1107536147


Greg R

"What the agreement between Sun and Microsoft got us was the ability to
use their proprietary specifications and take information from them to
build our own stuff. They didn't give up the right to disclose that
proprietary information of Microsoft. We can get the information from
them about how all the deep and dark secrets on how the file systems
work but we can't then turn around and be part of the open source Samba
project, and make Samba actually work," Gosling said.
"If we did we'd have to disclose secrets and they'd come out and shoot
us, or even worse they'd send their lawyers," he joked.

The Java guru commended Microsoft on opening up the specifications for
Microsoft Office schemas in Word and Excel as it allowed developers -
including Sun - to legitimately build interoperate products instead of
employing reverse-engineering. However, Gosling warned delegates of the
threat posed by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) in the
United States, specifically the ability of companies like Microsoft to
use it to stop reverse-engineering.

"In the past what we'd have to do is reverse-engineering and we had been
getting into a pickle, because for open source projects like Samba, and
OpenOffice the only way to get the information was by
reverse-engineering," he said. "For pretty much for all the countries in
the world reverse-engineering was a perfectly fine thing to do."

"In the United States a really vile law got passed a few years ago
called the DMCA. It is legal except stuff with Digital Rights Management
(DRM). So what has been happening is folks like Microsoft, have been
putting DRM into everything. DRM has been put into places you wouldn't
think would make a whole lot of sense, like the document format being
wrapped in DRM stuff. under the sheets the major justification is to
make reverse-engineering illegal," Gosling said.

"That's actually like in the DVD case," he said, referring to the
encryption system employed in the DVD arena. "The encryption stuff is
the world's sloppiest encryption protocol, it's really stupid," Gosling
said before using further adjectives traditionally reserved for the act
of procreation to describe DVD encryption. -
http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39127594,00.htm


Bill is talking about interoperability at MS's price, on MS's terms, by
wrapping up everything into a DRM blanket. Either the Open Source
community pays MS's extortion money, or it gets left out in the cold,
and can't reverse-engineer with out the risk of being taken to court.

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[Greg R]

Bill is talking about interoperability at MS's price, on MS's terms, by
wrapping up everything into a DRM blanket. Either the Open Source
community pays MS's extortion money, or it gets left out in the cold,
and can't reverse-engineer with out the risk of being taken to cour

I wanted to know how mvp feel about this not you. I just think there
are too scared to comment or they may lose the mvps

If it is true on what you are talking about. Then, Microsoft cannot
sue http://www.linspire.com/ or it developers because they had
agreement before the sco group stated it bogus lawsuit.

I wish I knew where in the kernel does it say calderas systems or
drdos systems. The part could possible be easily removed or
replaced

Greg R

 

[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

Greg

What do you want us to say?..


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[kurttrail]

Greg

What do you want us to say?..

My guess would be what you think about Billy's Interoperability
Bullsh*t.

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[Greg R]

Greg

What do you want us to say?..

Look at my subject What do you mvp think about this? I just wanted
some views on this from the mvp community. Do you mvp's think
Microsoft is right or wrong?


For Kurt.
Don't put words into my mouth Kurt.

 

[kurttrail]

Look at my subject What do you mvp think about this? I just wanted
some views on this from the mvp community. Do you mvp's think
Microsoft is right or wrong?


For Kurt.
Don't put words into my mouth Kurt.

I didn't. I said "MY GUESS . . . ."

And as always, I'll respond to any posts I feel like responding to.

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[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

Greg

Interoperability is a good thing.. do I ever think that open source
supporters and Microsoft will ever agree on how?.. eventually, maybe..

The way things are presently, it seems to me that a 'you're either with us,
or against us' stance is being taken by both sides..

I will say this though (some will understand).. W, BSW, BSF, , BA, AF, MM
all one product? How stupid is that?

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[Rock]

What do you mvp think about this?

http://www.betanews.com/article/Gates_Promises_Interoperable_Software/1107536147


Greg R

Who cares what "they" think - whoever "they" are. It's what you,
yourself, think that matter's, isn't it?

 

[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

Sometimes, getting views of others can shed new light on a topic..

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[kurttrail]

Sometimes, getting views of others can shed new light on a topic..

Exactly!


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[Greg R]

Greg

Interoperability is a good thing.. do I ever think that open source
supporters and Microsoft will ever agree on how?.. eventually, maybe..

The way things are presently, it seems to me that a 'you're either with us,
or against us' stance is being taken by both sides..

I will say this though (some will understand).. W, BSW, BSF, , BA, AF, MM
all one product? How stupid is that?

Sorry, I am posting this later. I had some computer problems and been
busy.

I got a very good example of how the Interoperability is also bad.


Let say this company does news letters. They do not have a color
copier or the printer would take forever.

So they take a cd-rom to the business that does this and has a color
copier . They can’t open the file to print because they don’t either
have the machine or the software. So, they lose some business here.