WGA Ain't So Bad

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Yup,
Like I posted before Rhonda; NO ONE; not even the WGA spokesman; can
dispute the facts of delivery; and I find it highly amusing that Leythos
doesn't practice what he preaches!!! LOL
Jeff
 
Rhonda Lea Kirk said:
Why not?

You're the big proponent and you're not running what you advocate?

<laughing>

and I just did a

Good for you.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
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And he has yet to give us the KB numbers for these 'downloads he was able to
install'
Antioch
 
First of all, updates were turned on when I received this computer from
Dell. Second of all, I agreed to nothing. I have turned automatic
updates on and off at different times (before I had OneCare), and I have
never been asked to agree to anything. This is covered by the EULA.
Perhaps you should read it.

If you have a fact to present, present it. If you want to go from
debating facts to hurling insults, leave me out of it.
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Wrong, I have hundreds of Dell computers, and each one required me to
allow Windows to enable automatic updates. It could be you don't
remember, it could be you got a used computer that was not rebuilt, it
could the the moon full, but the fact is that automatic updates require
the users permission before they are enabled the first time.

After to understand the above you will see how your logic and technical
understanding is flawed.
 
But we've been hearing stories about donated computers and single
mothers and handicapped users and so on, ad nauseum, and that's not
great for PR, most especially since it does not get to the root of the
problem, i.e., the actual software pirates.
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What a load of crap - you want people that are using stolen software to
be permitted to use it, because "they didn't know it was stolen".

The real problem is that people steal, and not just software, and for
some reason you want people to be permitted to keep/use stolen
items/software after they are made aware of it.
 
OK then, what are the update KB numbers and dates that you have just done -
ignore all software/non-critical etc.
I have WGA and I have not seen an update other than Mal Software - and I
have had five of those since 26 May??
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On this computer I just installed the following update:

Security Update for Windows XP (KB913580)

That was the only one I was missing. last updated on Monday, June 5,
2006. I had avoided it since I was using DTS and didn't want to spend
time testing the update.
 
Leythos said:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
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Wrong, I have hundreds of Dell computers, and each one required me to
allow Windows to enable automatic updates. It could be you don't
remember, it could be you got a used computer that was not rebuilt, it
could the the moon full, but the fact is that automatic updates
require the users permission before they are enabled the first time.
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In other words, because it's what happened to you, it must be what
happened to me.

It was brand new when I got it, and I'm pretty sure the full moon has
nothing to do with anything except the wanderings of the senile.

But even if we allow, for the sake of argument (because this is just
another obfuscation on your part), that I agreed to automatic updates, I
still didn't agree to WGA, as dispensed.

If you read the description of the product we're talking about, it says
nothing about loading and phoning home repeatedly.

And, as I mentioned MUCH earlier, although I have automatic updates
turned on, I go to update before the scheduled time for automatic
updates so I can look at what I'm due to receive and download it myself
(or hide it if I don't want it). It beats having to look at the red
OneCare icon I would have to live with if I turned automatic updates
off.

I allowed WGA to download because my understanding is that without it, I
will be cut off from updates that I actually need. It remains to be seen
if that is correct, but from everything I've read, it seems to be the
plan.

Once again, the description of what I downloaded did not indicate that I
would be subject to repeated attempts to phone home.
After to understand the above you will see how your logic and
technical understanding is flawed.
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Neither my logic nor my technical understanding is flawed. And now I'm
starting to rethink my original position. There is a word for someone
who intentionally argues the way you do, and your current line of bs is
beginning to make me think that I perhaps underestimated your capacity
for sophistry.

Some of my best teachers have been those with whom I do not agree--about
anything--and I've enjoyed every bit of debate we've ever had. But I
have no use for those whose tools are obfuscation and logical fallacy,
and whose only goal is to win rather than to learn, because all they
teach is that they are not to be trusted. Not on any level.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
Why not?

You're the big proponent and you're not running what you advocate?

<laughing>
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I see that you misunderstand, I have it running on MANY computers, just
not this one, and I've just installed it on this one to be specific,
just installed, rebooted, noticed no different in system performance, no
increase in boot time, and other than watching it run in the process
explorer, it didn't cause me any delays.
and I just did a

Good for you.
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Thanks.
 
jeffwhat44 said:
Yup,
Like I posted before Rhonda; NO ONE; not even the WGA spokesman; can
dispute the facts of delivery; and I find it highly amusing that Leythos
doesn't practice what he preaches!!! LOL
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Try again, you missed the "This computer" part, while I've already
posted that it's running on 1500+ computers already.
 
On this computer I just installed the following update:

Security Update for Windows XP (KB913580)

That was the only one I was missing. last updated on Monday, June 5,
2006. I had avoided it since I was using DTS and didn't want to spend
time testing the update.
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To follow up this, I just installed WGA Notification on this computer,
after already having checked for updates.

I downloaded WGA Notification using the Custom option, installed it,
rebooted, could not detect any performance difference in my laptop (the
computer I was using), could not notice any other differences. I did
watch the processes and noticed nothing looked out of the norm.

I have gone back to Windows Update, while doing this reply, and there
are no additional updates available. So, as I said before, WGA
Notifications not installed on a computer does not appear to block you
from getting updates, but I would imagine that not installing WGA would,
although I can't verify this as all of our systems have WGA installed.
 
But I
have no use for those whose tools are obfuscation and logical fallacy,
and whose only goal is to win rather than to learn, because all they
teach is that they are not to be trusted. Not on any level.
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Rhonda, while I understand where you are coming from, I still believe
that you really don't understand and that you've missed a couple things.

I don't care about anyone winning, it's not a win thing, it's about
responsibility and BS. People claiming that WGA/WGA Notifications are
spyware, and you claim even MS defines it as such, are just spreading
FUD - if you look at the MS definition you claim supports your stance,
well, it doesn't do that at all, in fact it contradicts your position.

As for the Dell, I can assure you that all new dell computers will ask
you if you want to protect your computer by enabling automatic updates,
it's been that way for years. You might not have seen it if you were
just blindly clicking or if someone else set the computer up for you.

Again, it's not about winning, it's about all the moaners complaining
about something they installed without understanding, and then
complaining about other crap that is either only partially true or not
true at all.
 
Leythos said:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

What a load of crap - you want people that are using stolen software
to be permitted to use it, because "they didn't know it was stolen".
Click to expand...

You've changed my meaning when you resorted to "argument by snipping."
WTF?

What I said, in the context of WGA being a PR disaster, is:

[restore]

Generally speaking, causing people who are knowingly using pirated
software to pay for their software is a good thing. Generally speaking.

But we've been hearing stories about donated computers and single
mothers and handicapped users and so on, ad nauseum, and that's not
great for PR, most especially since it does not get to the root of the
problem, i.e., the actual software pirates. It's like trying to win the
drug wars by putting casual pot smokers in jail for a long time.

Collateral damage is always a consideration in any action, but Microsoft
seems not to know this.

And putting a legitimate user to the trouble of proving that his product
is authentic is even worse.

Finally, the fact that WGA acts like spyware is very, very bad PR.

[/restore]
The real problem is that people steal, and not just software, and for
some reason you want people to be permitted to keep/use stolen
items/software after they are made aware of it.
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Don't tell me what I want. You've not got a clue. I don't steal and I
don't turn a blind eye to outright theft.

I was unemployable for three years because I refused to allow someone to
steal. And he was someone who I actually liked and got along with rather
well, in spite of the inability of my predecessors to do so, because he
was an extremely difficult person. But when I caught him stealing from
his clients (in spite of his protestations that it was not theft), I
immediately turned him into the Florida Bar.

And for that, he tried to prevent me from collecting unemployment, and
he threatened me with two kinds of harm--legal and physical, both of
which he had previously demonstrated he was quite capable of inflicting.

Thereafter, I was unable to get a job as a paralegal in the local legal
community, because most lawyers won't hire whistleblowers. I was also
subjected to the accusation (by one of his former partners) that I had
taken the money and was blaming it on him to cover my tracks.

Among other things.

When I retrieved my belongings from the office, one of the attorneys sat
at his desk, holding the phone, prepared to dial 911, while several
other employees guarded the doors and watched the parking lot. They were
afraid that if he found me there, he would kill me.

You continue to cheat when you argue, Leythos. To me that's just as bad
as stealing.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
Leythos said:
On this computer I just installed the following update:

Security Update for Windows XP (KB913580)

That was the only one I was missing. last updated on Monday, June 5,
2006. I had avoided it since I was using DTS and didn't want to spend
time testing the update.
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I wonder if there have been any others - 913580 is the last I downloaded(May
10) - same day as the last WGA I did - since then only the Mal Software
Removal.
Perhaps there have been no others???
Antioch
 
Leythos said:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

What a load of crap - you want people that are using stolen software
to be permitted to use it, because "they didn't know it was stolen".
Click to expand...

You've changed my meaning when you resorted to "argument by snipping."
WTF?

What I said, in the context of WGA being a PR disaster, is:

[restore]

Generally speaking, causing people who are knowingly using pirated
software to pay for their software is a good thing. Generally speaking.

But we've been hearing stories about donated computers and single
mothers and handicapped users and so on, ad nauseum, and that's not
great for PR, most especially since it does not get to the root of the
problem, i.e., the actual software pirates. It's like trying to win the
drug wars by putting casual pot smokers in jail for a long time.
Click to expand...

No I didn't change your meaning - I specifically addressed what you seem
to suggest is something we should accept from pirates. I don't care if
poor starving children in Uganda are unable to use their computers
because of a nag box showing up on their screen, it's not Microsoft's
fault, it's the pirates fault and the ignorance of the purchaser/owner
that cause the problem.

By your posting that tid-bit, you appear to indicate that I should feel
that MS is screwing those users, and I don't. While I fee sorry for
their ignorance, as with anyone that gets screwed, it's a life lesson
and a mistake they are unlikely to make again.

Oh, and causing people how are knowingly using pirated software to pay
for their software IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
 
Leythos said:
Rhonda, while I understand where you are coming from, I still believe
that you really don't understand and that you've missed a couple
things.

I don't care about anyone winning, it's not a win thing, it's about
responsibility and BS. People claiming that WGA/WGA Notifications are
spyware, and you claim even MS defines it as such, are just spreading
FUD - if you look at the MS definition you claim supports your stance,
well, it doesn't do that at all, in fact it contradicts your position.

As for the Dell, I can assure you that all new dell computers will ask
you if you want to protect your computer by enabling automatic
updates, it's been that way for years. You might not have seen it if
you were just blindly clicking or if someone else set the computer up
for you.

Again, it's not about winning, it's about all the moaners complaining
about something they installed without understanding, and then
complaining about other crap that is either only partially true or not
true at all.
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I'm done, Leythos. I'm not sticking you in the killfile with Carey, but
I'm not going to read your posts either.

The last time I stopped arguing with you it was for a very different
reason, but the result is the same, so I don't expect you to notice the
difference.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
I wonder if there have been any others - 913580 is the last I downloaded(May
10) - same day as the last WGA I did - since then only the Mal Software
Removal.
Perhaps there have been no others???
Click to expand...

I just installed the WGA Notification on this computer, all my other
ones already have it. I checked for updates before installing it,
installed one missing critical update, then updated and rebooted, I
checked again and there are still no additional updates.

So, with all the WGA items installed, there is no difference
with/without WGA Notification installed, at least none that I can tell.
 
I'm done, Leythos. I'm not sticking you in the killfile with Carey, but
I'm not going to read your posts either.
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To bad, I was hoping you might see the problem with your stance and that
you might learn something about your computer. I expected you to go to
this point based on what I was reading in your posts.

Feel free to reply to me any time you want, I don't hold grudges in
Usenet or kill file anyone.
 
Leythos said:
Leythos said:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
But we've been hearing stories about donated computers and single
mothers and handicapped users and so on, ad nauseum, and that's not
great for PR, most especially since it does not get to the root of
the problem, i.e., the actual software pirates.
What a load of crap - you want people that are using stolen software
to be permitted to use it, because "they didn't know it was stolen".
Click to expand...
You've changed my meaning when you resorted to "argument by snipping."
WTF?

What I said, in the context of WGA being a PR disaster, is:

[restore]

Generally speaking, causing people who are knowingly using pirated
software to pay for their software is a good thing. Generally speaking.

But we've been hearing stories about donated computers and single
mothers and handicapped users and so on, ad nauseum, and that's not
great for PR, most especially since it does not get to the root of the
problem, i.e., the actual software pirates. It's like trying to win the
drug wars by putting casual pot smokers in jail for a long time.
Click to expand...

No I didn't change your meaning - I specifically addressed what you seem
to suggest is something we should accept from pirates. I don't care if
poor starving children in Uganda are unable to use their computers
because of a nag box showing up on their screen, it's not Microsoft's
fault, it's the pirates fault and the ignorance of the purchaser/owner
that cause the problem.

By your posting that tid-bit, you appear to indicate that I should feel
that MS is screwing those users, and I don't. While I fee sorry for
their ignorance, as with anyone that gets screwed, it's a life lesson
and a mistake they are unlikely to make again.

Oh, and causing people how are knowingly using pirated software to pay
for their software IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
Click to expand...

And the fact that XP is, aside from a TFT monitor, usually the most
expensive thing you buy for a computer is also a "good thing", right?

The $100 laptops for Africa and other poor countries will run Linux. I
guess old Bill wasn't in a philanthropist mood when he was asked.

Windows has 95% of the market. I wonder what percentage they have in the
under 20 demographic. Ya know, the future?

Alias
 
Leythos said:
I just installed the WGA Notification on this computer, all my other
ones already have it. I checked for updates before installing it,
installed one missing critical update, then updated and rebooted, I
checked again and there are still no additional updates.

So, with all the WGA items installed, there is no difference
with/without WGA Notification installed, at least none that I can tell.
Click to expand...

Did you block the calling home feature with your firewall or do you run
the XP firewall and it merrily uses your bandwidth on your dime?

Alias
 
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