WD drives have errors caused by CRT

[Ron Reaugh]

I agree it would, it appears the sector marks and such are
corrupted, and nothing else will fix that. More googling didn't really
find any "low-level format" utility that will do these drives, but it
appears a lot of people are confused between doing a "write zeroes"
and a low-level format.

No confusion here. To do those low level actions one needs a laser setup
jig at the factory.

 

[Rod Speed]

Perhaps...
http://www.ameriwebs.net/groupworks/index.html

Fraid not, those just write zeros thru the drive with modern IDE drives.

 

[Rod Speed]

Feel free to name one, (that isn't pre-IDE/ATA).

IBM's/Hitachi's Drive Fitness Test.

One of the Maxtor's does too, forget what they call it.

They do what the drive allows them to do and *that* isn't it.
There are no commands in ATA that allow that other than Format Track.

Separate matter entirely to whether they
can add new bads to the bad sector list.

Bull. That's all there is to it.

You cant actually be THAT stupid, gotta be another puerile attempt at a troll.

 

[Rod Speed]

Wacko speedo got it all wrong again.

****wit Reagh has never ever had a ****ing clue.

So stupid that it didnt even notice the IBM 75GXP had one hell of a problem.

 

[Rod Speed]

Maybe, maybe not. S.M.A.R.T. should be able to tell.

First, it aren't that many

FAR too many to all go weak at once.

And have fun explaining

You aint gunna see 670 go weak all at once.

and second, if it was so bad what supposedly has happened
one would actually expect much much more gone bad.

Pathetic, really.

What likely has happened is that the lesser areas,
that were good enough previously, have worsened
under the influence of the monitor and now are failing.

Have fun explaining the physics of that.

Since data is rewritten and therefore should be as good as
new it is likely the Servo info or the Low Level Format detail,

You mean the headers.

that *doesn't* get rewritten, that's causing the misreads.

Read the post again.

No need.

On the first run he found many that then were taken out of service
as far as scandisk is concerned. Consecutive runs then found only a
few extra that weren't found the first time. Then he zeroed the drive
and scandisk checked all clusters again and found all the bad ones again.

No news.

That is to be expected *IF* the spots are weak
(ie not really bad enough to be replaced).

You aint gunna get 670 all go weak at once.

If the spots are really bad they shouldn't reappear
after a 'zero' action unless the replacements are
also bad (or weak), or the drive is out of replacements.

Or its the sector headers that got damaged by the monitor
and those werent affected by writing zeros to the drive.

 

[Ron Reaugh]

You aint gunna see 670 go weak all at once.

Wacko speedos gets it all wrong again.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

FAR too many to all go weak at once.

Not if the monitor caused that.

And have fun explaining


You aint gunna see 670 go weak all at once.


Pathetic, really.

Yes, you are.

Have fun explaining the physics of that.

*You* have fun explaining a different cause.

You mean the headers.

Wot headers.
There are no headers anymore on recent drives, stupid.
I said 'Servo info' or 'the Low Level Format detail', the latter being
what is left from what formerly was the Sector ID header. Most of
that is now in silicon and is not affected by magnetic interference.
What is still left there in the tracks that isn't particularly Servo info,
that is what I meant.

No need.


No news.


You aint gunna get 670 all go weak at once.

Yes you do if that monitor has anything to do with it.

Or its the sector headers that got damaged by the monitor
and those weren't affected by writing zeros to the drive.

That wot I said, clueless.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Where it says:
"IDE hard drives can only be properly low-level formatted at the factory.
All IDE drives have control information on track 0 or -1 that only the
controller can read. This information includes bad track information, head
skew factors and zone sector information.

Fortunately, all newer hard drives only operate in a translation mode, so we
can successfully do a format that could be more properly called a mid-level
format.

Which is pure drivel.

I don't know of any virus
that can infect the low-level format installed by the manufacturer."

Can't low level format recent/current ATA HDs in the field.

Yes you can on an IBM/Hitachi.

Obviously you can't do a full LLF because you would need an un(LL)formatted
drive for that and those are obviously not available, so whether you can or can't
Low Level Format a drive is a moot point especially since you can't change the
sector size so obviously you would write to it what it already has in exactly the
same places.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Right, can you say archaic.

Can you say long logical sector format?

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

No confusion here. To do those low level actions one needs a laser setup
jig at the factory.

That is no Low Level Formatting, that is servo track writing.
Do you have your speedo on backwards?

Low Level Format just needs the necessary code in the firmware.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

IBM's/Hitachi's Drive Fitness Test.

Nonsense. It doesn't.
That's just a side effect of the surface scan or the write zero test that it runs.

One of the Maxtor's does too, forget what they call it.
Ditto.



Separate matter entirely to whether they
can add new bads to the bad sector list.

They can't. It's the drive itself that does it.

You cant actually be THAT stupid, gotta be another puerile attempt at a troll.

That's your stop word when you know that you have been beaten at that silly
bullshit game of yours.

You're even too stupid to get that latest version of OE to quote properly.
Now, how's that for stupid.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

****wit Reaugh has never ever had a ****ing clue.

Neither have you. All you ever do is go with the flow.
And when your wrong you just always bullshit your way out of it.

 

[Rod Speed]

Wacko speedos gets it all wrong again.

****wit Reaugh has never ever had a ****ing clue.

So stupid it didnt even notice the problem with IBM 75GXP drives.

 

[Rod Speed]

Nonsense. It doesn't.

Have fun explaining how it can return an unusable 75GXP from the dead if it
cant.

That's just a side effect of the surface scan

Pity thats what I was talking about with bads, ****wit.

or the write zero test that it runs.

Pathetic, really.

Ditto.

Have fun explaining what it says it does.

They can't.
Lie.

It's the drive itself that does it.

Lie. Its just one way of doing that.

 

[Rod Speed]

<reams of puerile trollshit flushed where it belongs>

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[Rod Speed]

Not if the monitor caused that.

Have fun explaining you previous pig ignorant claim that there arent that many.

Not a clue, as always.

And what the monitor did doesnt qualify as 'weak' either.

Yes, you are.

Pathetic, really.

*You* have fun explaining a different cause.

The monitor just damaged some headers, fool.

Wot headers.
There are no headers anymore on recent drives, stupid.

There are on those two drives he saw that problem with, ****wit.

I said 'Servo info' or 'the Low Level Format detail', the latter being
what is left from what formerly was the Sector ID header. Most of
that is now in silicon and is not affected by magnetic interference.
What is still left there in the tracks that isn't particularly Servo info,
that is what I meant.

Pity you garbled it so comprehensively, as always.

Yes you do if that monitor has anything to do with it.

Nothing to do with 'weak', fool.

That wot I said, clueless.

Lie, as always, ****wit.

 

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