Want to go from a nvidia card to ati card, what problems can i expect?

[anm]

Hi,

I always have used nvidia cards (or matrox before that), but now i want to
try a ati card, what problems can i expect or what is the difference?
Because i once try a ati card (a few years ago) but i had so many problems
what that, that i return that card for a nvidia card. And the problems were
gone. So is it better now, saver to buy a ati card?

thanks in advance

Dick

 

[Steve]

I did the same a few months ago and had no problems. This is after many
years of Nvidia products. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Wookie]

Not much difference at all, no matter what some fan boys wills ay. Just
make sure to remove the drivers before you install the new video card. You
can use add and remove programs .. even better is a program like driver
cleaner.

 

[Augustus]

Hi,

I always have used nvidia cards (or matrox before that), but now i want to
try a ati card, what problems can i expect or what is the difference?
Because i once try a ati card (a few years ago) but i had so many problems
what that, that i return that card for a nvidia card. And the problems
were
gone. So is it better now, saver to buy a ati card?

Unisntall the Nvidia drivers properly first, use a utility like Driver
Cleaner, follow it's instructions, install the ATI drivers, you should have
no issues. Sometimes just uninstalling the Nvidia drivers, shutting down and
rebooting with the new ATI card, and then installing the latest Catlysts can
give issues. Sometimes. Quite often it works just fine, but when it doesn't
you'll wish you went the Driver Cleaner route...

 

[Dr Richard Cranium]

: Hi,
:
: I always have used nvidia cards (or matrox before that), but now i want to
: try a ati card, what problems can i expect or what is the difference?
: Because i once try a ati card (a few years ago) but i had so many problems
: what that, that i return that card for a nvidia card. And the problems were
: gone. So is it better now, saver to buy a ati card?
:
: thanks in advance
:
: Dick
:


I think once you make the switch to ATI, you'll be fine. I've only experienced a driver
prob with AMD taking over. So I run a driver version or two behind what is current at
amd.ati...........

I have my graphics card history (and current PC's) at

http://www.smokeypoint.com/My_PC.htm

I of course was a 3Dfx cultist. Then Nvidea bought them out yada yada.. So I went with
Nvidea GF2, GF3 cards around that era. This was fine at first, but I quickly got tired of
all the driver version change to run each different game required a different nvidea
driver. Then I wasn't guar en tea'ed that the game wouldn't lock up.
So I switched to ATI. I enjoy 10,000 % more rl game time with ATI - that is what I wanted,
ymmv.

I currently have the x850 and x1600 in my two game machines. I almost got caught up in the
SLI movement !
I had two voodoo 2 graphics cards in SLI from 3Dfx and that was so fantastic. The "depth
of field" was so marvelous !
I pretty much guess that Nvidea's SLI comes from 3Dfx there, and I still hear they are
putting the 3Dfx api into the Nvidea cards. heh, there was some already creeping in...
So I fought the feeling. I am happy staying with ATI. Crossfire gets sorted out, I will
get it.

I certainly think it bears watching what will happen when dx 10 goes main stream. I mean
a workable card purchasable up and running (can you say decent frame rate ?). Don't know
who will be the victor there. I wait for that.
Mean while I watch the shader differences between my x850 and x1600. Heh, my x850 is
still winning.
They both run about the same fps. Picture looks better imho on the x850.

Like the thread here says, make sure you remove all references to anything Nvidea from
your PC.

Hope this help,

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[anm]

Thanks for all the answers, I guess it's alright to buy one. Thanks again.

gr

Dick

 

[Steve Evans]

Hi,

I always have used nvidia cards (or matrox before that), but now i want to
try a ati card, what problems can i expect or what is the difference?
Because i once try a ati card (a few years ago) but i had so many problems
what that, that i return that card for a nvidia card. And the problems were
gone. So is it better now, saver to buy a ati card?

thanks in advance

Dick

I've gone from 9800 to x850xt to x1950pro, and all cards have
performed well for me. I like to run a very quiet system, so it is an
added bonus that the last 2 cards on the list have been 'silenced',
using the fan tweak feature, on the excellent ati tray tools.
Don't worry about having to install .net 2, or the ati control centre,
as these memory hogs can be brought under control with a bit of
registry/service editing!


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[ATIuser]

I've gone from 9800 to x850xt to x1950pro, and all cards have
performed well for me. I like to run a very quiet system, so it is an
added bonus that the last 2 cards on the list have been 'silenced',
using the fan tweak feature, on the excellent ati tray tools.
Don't worry about having to install .net 2, or the ati control centre,
as these memory hogs can be brought under control with a bit of
registry/service editing!

Are you saying that it's possible to install an ATI X1950 card and
drivers *without* installing .NET? That would interest me since my
current ATI card (9800Pro) doesn't need .NET but afaik the later
ones do and I don't have it installed.

 

[Steve Evans]

Are you saying that it's possible to install an ATI X1950 card and
drivers *without* installing .NET? That would interest me since my
current ATI card (9800Pro) doesn't need .NET but afaik the later
ones do and I don't have it installed.

It's been a while since I did the install so this is from memory. I
recall that it's possible to install .net2 and the full ATI package,
then after a reboot (or two!), remove the registry entries, and
startup services that the drivers leave behind. You *may* see an
increase in memory usage after the above, but it's nothing like the
amount used if you leave all the startup junk in place.
I see approx 160MB used after a reboot of my PC, which is pretty good
IMHO....
All subsequent tweaks to the card are done with the excellent tray
tools, and it's massive 5MB memory usage!


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[Mike Ray]

Are you saying that it's possible to install an ATI X1950 card and
drivers *without* installing .NET? That would interest me since my
current ATI card (9800Pro) doesn't need .NET but afaik the later
ones do and I don't have it installed.

Somewhat OT but what is the problem with .NET? (I ask because I just
installed it for PAINT.NET) Are you just trying to run a very 'lean'
system without extra junk or are there issues with .NET?
-mike

 

[ATIuser]

Somewhat OT but what is the problem with .NET? (I ask because I just
installed it for PAINT.NET) Are you just trying to run a very 'lean'
system without extra junk or are there issues with .NET?

Yes, I do like to run a lean machine and have ripped out large
unneeded parts of my XP-Pro-SP2 system. But also.....

There are no (tech) issues with .NET that I know of except that it
is *yet another fat layer* of MS bloat and seemingly it's primarily
beneficial to s/w developers, not end users.
Some folks think it's the thin end of the wedge from MS to
discreetly push another corporate goal: more web based services,
software and even op/sys thereby turning your local system into
little more than a dumb terminal. Imagine the day when to use
your Windows system, you have to be logged on to MS for dynamic
authentication. Not far off if MS get their way. There's a whole
army of users who are against .Net for these reasons.

<back to ATI cards>
If I could install an x1950 or similar in my next build w/o having
to install .NET to install the driver package, I'd want to do that.
I e-mailed nVidia a while back and *their* drivers do not need
..NET to install. hhmmm.

 

[Mike Ray]

Yes, I do like to run a lean machine and have ripped out large
unneeded parts of my XP-Pro-SP2 system. But also.....

There are no (tech) issues with .NET that I know of except that it
is *yet another fat layer* of MS bloat and seemingly it's primarily
beneficial to s/w developers, not end users.
Some folks think it's the thin end of the wedge from MS to
discreetly push another corporate goal: more web based services,
software and even op/sys thereby turning your local system into
little more than a dumb terminal. Imagine the day when to use
your Windows system, you have to be logged on to MS for dynamic
authentication. Not far off if MS get their way. There's a whole
army of users who are against .Net for these reasons.

<back to ATI cards>
If I could install an x1950 or similar in my next build w/o having
to install .NET to install the driver package, I'd want to do that.
I e-mailed nVidia a while back and *their* drivers do not need
.NET to install. hhmmm.

I hear ya. I am not an MS fan at all, but when starting out years ago
(1980's)with my first system I thought the MACs were just over priced.
Going with windows and not apple has sure had its (few) ups and (many)
downs but once your locked in (I have 2 desk tops and 2 laptops on my
home net work) it becomes more difficult and expensive to convert.

 

[James]

<back to ATI cards>
If I could install an x1950 or similar in my next build w/o having
to install .NET to install the driver package, I'd want to do that.
I e-mailed nVidia a while back and *their* drivers do not need
.NET to install. hhmmm.- Hide quoted text -

You can always install the Omega drivers. These are third party
freeware drievrs based on ATI's drivers but use different control
apps. They don't require .net and often are tweaked a bit to be a
little faster than ATI drivers. I've had good luck with them.

James

 

[ATIuser]

You can always install the Omega drivers. These are third party
freeware drievrs based on ATI's drivers but use different control
apps. They don't require .net and often are tweaked a bit to be a
little faster than ATI drivers. I've had good luck with them.

James

mmmm. Do you have a link for them?

 

[ATIuser]

I hear ya. I am not an MS fan at all, but when starting out years ago
(1980's)with my first system I thought the MACs were just over priced.
Going with windows and not apple has sure had its (few) ups and (many)
downs but once your locked in (I have 2 desk tops and 2 laptops on my
home net work) it becomes more difficult and expensive to convert.

True, I keep sniffing around *nix but really don't feel it cuts the
mustard for the average user yet. One day........

 

[James]

mmmm. Do you have a link for them?

http://www.omegadrivers.net/

James

 

[ATIuser]

http://www.omegadrivers.net/

James

Thanks James, I'll take a look.

 

[Red Cloud]

Yes, I do like to run a lean machine and have ripped out large
unneeded parts of my XP-Pro-SP2 system. But also.....

There are no (tech) issues with .NET that I know of except that it
is *yet another fat layer* of MS bloat and seemingly it's primarily
beneficial to s/w developers, not end users.
Some folks think it's the thin end of the wedge from MS to
discreetly push another corporate goal: more web based services,
software and even op/sys thereby turning your local system into
little more than a dumb terminal. Imagine the day when to use
your Windows system, you have to be logged on to MS for dynamic
authentication. Not far off if MS get their way. There's a whole
army of users who are against .Net for these reasons.

<back to ATI cards>
If I could install an x1950 or similar in my next build w/o having
to install .NET to install the driver package, I'd want to do that.
I e-mailed nVidia a while back and *their* drivers do not need
.NET to install. hhmmm.- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah I was quite bother by .NET. I was thinking what the hell is that
and why
I've to install that. I couldn't install ATI driver with .NET??? NO
no I got it around.
Uninstalled that MS NET.

 

[ATIuser]

Yeah I was quite bother by .NET. I was thinking what the hell is that
and why
I've to install that. I couldn't install ATI driver with .NET??? NO
no I got it around.
Uninstalled that MS NET.

If you uninstalled .NET, were you still able to install ATI drivers?

 

[Steve Evans]

If you uninstalled .NET, were you still able to install ATI drivers?

No, he probably just went for a driver only install.
I always do a system image before anything major, like installing .net
for example, but to be honest, I don't know what all the fuss is
about. With a bit of registry and services tweaking after installing
the .net and ati drivers, I was able to get rid of most of the
memory-hogging crap, and as stated before, get my memory usage pretty
much as it was before the installation.

It's only a problem for those that don't know how to tweak yet still
look at their system resource usage......


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