Vista: Whatever happened to fast boot?

[kirk jim]

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=378

Anyone else remember when Microsoft used to talk about making Windows Vista
(or Longhorn, as it was then known) a fast-booting operating system. Fast,
as in cold boots that were 50 percent faster than those possible with
Windows XP?
Something obviously went awry.

As Computerworld is reporting, a number of Vista users are none too happy
about Vista boot-up times. Some are questioning whether Microsoft is
advocating that users just put Vista into sleep mode, as opposed to shutting
down systems on a daily basis, to mask the sluggish boot up.
(And it's not just boot up speeds that are troublesome. Vista shutdown is as
slow as molasses, too, Computerworld is reporting users as saying. And
app-loading times are nothing to write home about, either.)
Microsoft has been touting the sleep/hibernate modes as the preferred ways
to "shut off" Vista systems. As former Windows Chief Jim Allchin blogged in
December:

"Everyone knows that turning a TV off doesn't really turn it off. It is
still available to receive the remote control signal, etc. so that it can
come back on quickly. We wanted to emulate this for Windows Vista machines.

"To the degree possible, 'off' equals 'sleep' in Windows Vista, where the
system state is saved in RAM. This creates the best balance of user
experience for speed of resuming and lowest usage of power. However, if the
PC is running on batteries even that minimal power usage could drain the
batteries eventually. Remember the top goal here is to make sure that we can
enable a fast on experience (like your cell phone) and a fast off
experience, while still making sure that you don't lose your work when a
Windows PC is turned off. To do this, we created a new approach that we call
'hybrid sleep state' that is the best of the sleep and hibernate modes
(which existed separately in Windows XP)."

From the reaction on the Vista support forums, it doesn't seem like users
are cottoning to Microsoft's sleep/hibernate Vista settings.
What's your take? Does Microsoft need to rethink its Windows
power-management defaults with Windows Seven and beyond?

 

[Dustin Harper]

Like it has been said before: it depends on the system. My P4 3.0, 1 GB of
RAM is about equal to XP on boot times. Sleep mode helps a lot.

However, on the AMD X2 4600 System with 2 GB of RAM, it boots up extremely
fast, a lot faster than expected. Sleep mode is a lot faster, but I am
amazed everytime I start the machine up.

 

[john]

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=378

As Computerworld is reporting, a number of Vista users are none too happy
about Vista boot-up times. Some are questioning whether Microsoft is
advocating that users just put Vista into sleep mode, as opposed to
shutting down systems on a daily basis, to mask the sluggish boot up.
(And it's not just boot up speeds that are troublesome. Vista shutdown is
as slow as molasses, too, Computerworld is reporting users as saying. And
app-loading times are nothing to write home about, either.)
Microsoft has been touting the sleep/hibernate modes as the preferred ways
to "shut off" Vista systems. As former Windows Chief Jim Allchin blogged
in December:

"Everyone knows that turning a TV off doesn't really turn it off. It is
still available to receive the remote control signal, etc. so that it can
come back on quickly. We wanted to emulate this for Windows Vista
machines.

"To the degree possible, 'off' equals 'sleep' in Windows Vista, where the
system state is saved in RAM. This creates the best balance of user
experience for speed of resuming and lowest usage of power. However, if
the PC is running on batteries even that minimal power usage could drain
the batteries eventually. Remember the top goal here is to make sure that
we can enable a fast on experience (like your cell phone) and a fast off
experience, while still making sure that you don't lose your work when a
Windows PC is turned off. To do this, we created a new approach that we
call 'hybrid sleep state' that is the best of the sleep and hibernate
modes (which existed separately in Windows XP)."

that's not all Allchin said.
Here's a couple more quotes:

“I'm not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers,
both business and home, the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think
our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what
full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how
important current applications are, and really understanding what the most
important problems our customers face are”
— Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.

"I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft."
— Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

that's not all Allchin said.
Here's a couple more quotes:

“I'm not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers,
both business and home, the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think
our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what
full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how
important current applications are, and really understanding what the most
important problems our customers face are”
— Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.

"I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft."
— Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.

I'm telling you that Allchin was the best white collar MS had going for
it. Now that he is gone, there is no hope because the rest are Allass.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"poor little MADAM albright still got your knickers twisted. how are we
supposed to believe you know anything about computers when you cannot
even dress your self. oh and pull that skirt down."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

Vista takes about 52 seconds to bootup to log in screen, 1 min after
reaching the desktop.

 

[Guest]

Set your power settings to "Always On"/Never/Never/Never.
I have two options now under my full control.
Restart or Shutdown.
I restart when needed and Shutdown when I am going to be away for a few
hours.
People need to get rid of their "Liberal" tendencies and take control of
their own lives and pocessions.

 

[John Barnes]

A lot depends on what is in your startup. I have one system that boots to
useful in 45 seconds and one on the same machine that takes 3+ minutes until
I can start working.

 

[Shane Nokes]

You took those Allchin quotes out of their full context John.

Allchin was referring to MS before Vista on both of those quotes.

He was referring to the way he felt about both XP & Windows 2000.

Vista was his baby and he was proud of it.

I've met Jim on more than one occasion and he is one of the nicest people
you will ever meet.

He's also very plainspoken, and I will tell you right now that I don't like
seeing his words pulled out of context and twisted.

Also (and yes this is meant as a flame) only a moron needs to twist a
persons words to get a point across.

Someone with actual intelligence will not be afraid to use the proper
context, actually use an original thought.

Chew on that for a bit.

 

[kirk jim]

Sorry... he did a horrible job on vista.. vista has made things worse and
less intuative.

if he thinks that vista is closer to the world than xp was, he is crazy...

I dont know the man but you can juge a man from his work.

Vista is only a shadow of what it should have been. If the result was not
the one he intended and
he had other problems, then I can understand it.. but if vista is actually
what he intended to make...

then..........

 

[Frank]

Sorry... he did a horrible job on vista.. vista has made things worse and
less intuative.

How would you know?

if he thinks that vista is closer to the world than xp was, he is crazy...

And you are the qualified judge of him? Don't make us all laugh you
stupid POS.

I dont know the man but you can juge a man from his work.

And your work contribution to the world is...? Well...?

Vista is only a shadow of what it should have been.

How do you know that? You don't do you. You're just some deranged poster
looking for attention.
You need to get help and a real life.
Frank

 

[Per]

The strange thing is that sometimes the boot is fast and other times it
takes a lot longer. My PC is a Core2Duo 2.13GHz with 2GB RAM.

 

[john]

"I'm not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers,
both business and home, the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think
our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what
full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how
important current applications are, and really understanding what the most
important problems our customers face are"
- Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.

"I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft."
- Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.

You took those Allchin quotes out of their full context John.

How did I take what he said out of context? How can -any- direct quote be
taken out of context?

Allchin was referring to MS before Vista on both of those quotes.

He was referring to the way he felt about both XP & Windows 2000.

Yea. so? Did I say it was something else?
If anything it just goes to show that the problems inherent in Microsoft
these days have been around a while. A long while. What does the timing
have to do with it? Nice try at spin though...

Vista was his baby and he was proud of it.

Next you're gonna try and tell me (key word: try) that Ballmer had nothing
to do with this trainwreck.
Allchin may have worked on Vista, and made contributions, but everybody
knows what we're ultimately seeing is all Ballmer's call. You remember
Steve Ballmer... dont you?

I've met Jim on more than one occasion and he is one of the nicest people
you will ever meet.

Yea, so? Did I even suggest otherwise? If anything I applaud his honesty
when he says they've "lost their way" at Microsoft. He's right.

He's also very plainspoken, and I will tell you right now that I don't
like seeing his words pulled out of context and twisted.

Again, how do you take a direct quote out of context? He either said these
things or he didn't.
clue: he DID

Chew on that for a bit.

heh, sorry. I have better things to do.
see, that's the difference between normal people and you fanboys.
you actually care about this crap. LOL