Vista retail - install limitations?

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Alias

Donald said:
I would say "Mr. Bush can't speak English properly..." since that is,
after all, the correct grammatical expression in this case.


Because they bruise English gives them even less right to define
proper grammar.

Personally, I believe only the less-educated in English-speaking
nations use improper grammatical constructions like "Microsoft do".

That just shows how weird they are, since "Microsoft" is not a
"person" at all. It is a corporation, and corporations are always
referred to in the singular here in the States. In fact, if I'm not
mistaken, that is the correct way of referring to a corporation's
actions. Don't like that? Don't complain to me about it. I don't
have anything to do with the creation of the Laws of Grammar.


Well, for the gnat, it certainly wouldn't be a good thing.


Or the S.O.S. Mac Fanatics spread all over the Internet whereever they
go.


The fact that Windows is widely pirated, causing a large loss of
revenue for Microsoft, is "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt"?

But I keep forgetting that you're the type who never reads anything
except comic books, never finished grammar school, and is still trying
to convince himself of his own technological superiority.

I got some news for ya, bud: The rest of the world grew up around
you, and left you with your bow and arrow.

Oh, yeah, they were the cutting edge for awhile. But we now use
thermonuclear warheads rather than arrows and flint knives.



Yeah, right, right...
Keep believing that, "Alias". One day you will really believe it, if
you're the type who tends toward believing his own lies.

And I've observed that Apple fanatics as well as Linux fanatics are
that type, so I have little hope for you.

I definitely have no hope for someone who actually believes that
"alias" is the name of a human being rather than a word denoting a
word used to make a writer somehow "anonymous".

Donald L McDaniel

My, another high moral horse rider. Fuçk off, Donald L. McDaniel, or
whatever your real name is. People like you make me sick.

Alias
 
D

Donald L McDaniel

Easy, if I walk into the office in the morning and find out that Vista
has gotten it's panties tied into a knot and the first thing I have to do
is call Microsoft and re-activate....then I have a problem. The problem
is not if activation is easy or difficult. I don't care if it's only a 10
second phone call. I care that I have to make one for a product I *paid
for*. It's a policy I don't agree with, hence it's a problem and one I
don't feel like dealing with.

When you paid for a license to use Vista on your computer, you paid
for exactly that: a LICENSE.
NOT "a disk containing a license"
NOT "the software contained on the disk"
NOT "an absolute right to use it the way you want anytime you want"
ADDITIONALLY, you agreed to this license by installing it on your Hard
drive. You have NO ONE TO BLAME but yourself. YOU walked into this
with open eyes.

ALSO, Vista does not get "tied into a knot" by itself. It takes
intensive user mismanagement to really get it messed up.
I didn't care as much with XP as it only cares about activation at
install time.

However Vista having the ability to bother me about it any given point in
time, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, whenever some code feels the need to
do so...that is something I do not like.

Sir, you certainly sound like a man who is afraid of computers. In
the first place, "code" never feels a thing. It has no consciousness,
no spirit, no life within it. Secondly, has only a single "need": To
accomplish certian tasks which are easier to perform using a computer.

Computers are tools, sir, nothing more, nothing less.
I do not wish to have my
hardware monitored by Microsoft for changes 24/7 for proof that I didn't
steal their operating system. If my purchase isn't enough proof then they
don't deserve my money.

Again you have misunderstood just what is happening.
In the first place, HOW would Microsoft even know whether you actually
purchased its software, unless you actually registered it before
activating it? Microsoft doesn't know who YOU even are. Nor do they
really care. All they care is that a certain CD key is valid or is
not valid.
Even if it's a rare occurrence that only happens once a year per
computer.

Sorry, friend, if it does occur with EVERY computer which runs Vista,
it certainly isn't that frequent, since I've never had to reactivate
unless I wiped the HD first before installing. Your fear is
unreasonable.
That means 10 times a year with 10 computers or almost once a
month statistically. And as far as I am concerned, one single time is
already too much.

You have a poor understanding of the science of statistical analysis,
I see. A statistician would consider such a sparce sample to be
almost unusable.

Anyway, your hypothesis is simply not applicable to reality.
I have no need to deal with that. Ultimately, disregarding some tasks I
have where Vista is useless for, my problems are with Microsoft's
policies and EULA that I don't agree with.

I used to disagree with it also. But after several months of
reconsideration, I believe the EULA is rather generous to users, and
much like past Microsoft EULAs.

Most disagreements folks have with it can easily be chalked up to a
basic misunderstanding of the License terms.
Hey, that is absolutely wonderful. Nothing wrong with enjoying Vista. If
it meets your needs and does everything you want it to do then that's
perfectly fine. Enjoy it! =)

NO OS could could ever "do everything you want it to." To use such
language shows your underlying fear of computers again.
I wasn't referring to thieves' profit from illegal copies.

I was referring to MS' profit of 9 copies of Vista they won't be making
from me.


I hope so for MS' sake. =)

If those people have enough which is "significant to Microsoft"
Microsoft will probably eventually listen to them. But bitching about
things which may or may not happen anyway is a waste of both
Microsoft's and your time, as well as ours.

It's easy to hypothesize, after all. Anyone can do it. While it is
sometimes healthy and helpful to hypothesize about bad things
happening, it usually serves no other purpose than to blow off steam.
Something tells me nothing lasts forever. Change happens, always and
inevitably. It may not be today, it may not be tomorrow. It is however in
the future and not a matter of "if", only a matter of when.

To me, this when happened with Vista and eventually it'll happen again
when something comes along to replace what I use now.

To you and others, it'll happen at a later date.

We will probably all be resting in the grave by then.

Change is not coming fast enough for me. I have seen little actual
"change" from Microsoft (and others) since the late 70's. I have seen
great changes with computing in general since then, however, and have
always embraced it willingly.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Because they bruise English gives them even less right to define
proper grammar.

Personally, I believe only the less-educated in English-speaking
nations use improper grammatical constructions like "Microsoft do".

That just shows how weird they are, since "Microsoft" is not a
"person" at all. It is a corporation, and corporations are always
referred to in the singular here in the States. In fact, if I'm not
mistaken, that is the correct way of referring to a corporation's
actions.


Someone will undoubtedly correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding
is that in the UK, regardless of one's level of education,
corporations are always referred to in the plural. It sounds as weird
to me as it does to you, but it's a matter of idiom and common usage,
not right or wrong. As George Bernard Shaw said, "England and America
are two countries divided by a common language."
 
T

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly

Donald said:
I don't quite understand what you mean by "excessively maiking
customers' lives miserable...".

My life has never been made even "partially miserable" by something
Microsoft has done or plans on doing. I've never had any problems
with activating or validating my OS.

That's not true donald.

On Dec. 11th, you posted the following into the "What is the d/l link
for vista sp1?":

----------------
What happened to the distro for the public, which Microsoft claims is
being made available through Windows Download and Windows Update?

Supposedly, this distro is being made available "this week" (i.e., the
week of Dec 10) Supposedly on the 10th.

It never appeared anywhere on the 10th.

I'm getting so tired of Microsoft's lies, miscommunications, and
deceptions.

Microsoft says one thing, then does another.
That's so juvenile.

Donald L. McDaniel
-----------------

I assure you, I've installed
Windows many, many times since XP was released. I just don't
understand these people who are having problems. Evidently, all these
"masses of unhappy customers" either have no patience at all, or they
all have invalid copies of Windows. Or else they are just too
ignorant to use computers.

I do not agree with you that Microsoft has made customers' lives
miserable. Considering the time before Microsoft came on the scene,
computing was difficult, time-consuming, and something only those with
specialized degrees could do. My life has been made BETTER, not
miserable.
PMSL!


Whether pirated copies break even or not is not Microsoft's problem.
Nothing they can do can affect whether the pirates make a profit or
not. There will always be those who are willing to buy something for
nothing (or steal it, if they are not inclined to pay for it), so I
see no end in sight for the sales of pirated copies of Microsoft
software. Thieves always make a better "profit" than honest folk.

And if Microsoft loses sales to you, they will gain them from others.
As they say on the "street", "It's not about you, sucker."


Something tells me there will never be enough "people like you" to
cause them to make much difference in Microsoft's revenue stream.

Donald L McDaniel




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Donald L McDaniel

My, another high moral horse rider. Fuçk off, Donald L. McDaniel, or
whatever your real name is. People like you make me sick.

Alias

If the truth "makes you sick", friend, you definitely NEED to continue
HEARING what I have to say, not rejecting it.

My experience has been that hearing the truth gives me life, not
sickness.

Perhaps one day you will learn the right lessons, such as "the darkest
hour is always right before the dawn", and other "trite-sounding
aphorisms".

Donald L McDaniel
 
D

Donald L McDaniel

That make absolutely no sense semantically, because ALL employees and
stockholdlers of Microsoft do NOT treat their customers with such
disdain.

Corporations are purely legal entities, and NOT human beings. While
corporations are composed of individual human beings, corporations
themselves are NOT "more than one person", nor are they "persons" in
any sense of the word.

Someone will undoubtedly correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding
is that in the UK, regardless of one's level of education,
corporations are always referred to in the plural. It sounds as weird
to me as it does to you, but it's a matter of idiom and common usage,
not right or wrong. As George Bernard Shaw said, "England and America
are two countries divided by a common language."

Ken, I partly agree with you. This is why it shows extreme ignorance
on the part of American English speakers to use such Britishisms. And
they are becoming more and more prevalent here in the US, because they
are being used by bloggers and journalists galore, and slowly
replacing our traditional American English grammar. If our
intelligentsia use irrational grammar, it's a sure bet that the "hoi
poloi" are bound to follow suit.

My crusade (if you want to call it that) is not against poor American
English grammar, it is against its causes, laziness and commitment to
spreading understanding as well as knowledge.

I am fully persuaded that the true educational level of many, if not
most, who "graduate" High School is lower today than it was a hundred
years ago. "Elementary School" was not formerly called "Grammar
School" without a reason. Good grammar skills were ELEMENTAL for
gaining knowledge. Good grammar is the entrance into all knowledge.
It is the foundation for all understanding and wisdom. Before the
20th Century, we understood this, and were willing to make the
necessary effort to obtain good grammar skills.

If one cannot express a concept clearly to others, can he truly
understand it himself? Without a good grasp of his spoken language, a
man will not be able to express himself clearly to others.

Donald L McDaniel
 
A

~Alex~.:MVP Windows Shell/User:.

While I understand your point I have to say that in the day and age of PC's
with spell checkers what is the point of Grammar? I mean when I went to
school it was that way. But with the Information Age it is very noticeable
that people are getting more lazy and just taking shortcuts to get things
done. Not just laziness is the cause but the fact that we also do more and
have time restraints. Being a father I don't have time to go over every
response I give since I have other responsibilties that take priority over
making sure I spelled every eord correctly or that I used correct grammar.

As long as you get the point acrossed and they understand you what real
difference does it make? Will that extra time spend proofing your responses
going to help me get a job? Do they look at these newsgroups and evaluate
me for a job opening? No. They use Google to find out about you as a
person. they look at Social Site like MySpace and Facebook to see what you
have to say and what company you keep online.

So while your efforts are worth while, in the 21st Century they are futile.
At least from the way I see it.
 
A

Alias

Donald said:
If the truth "makes you sick", friend, you definitely NEED to continue
HEARING what I have to say, not rejecting it.

My experience has been that hearing the truth gives me life, not
sickness.

Perhaps one day you will learn the right lessons, such as "the darkest
hour is always right before the dawn", and other "trite-sounding
aphorisms".

Donald L McDaniel

Still on your high moral horse, eh? You wouldn't know the truth if it
smacked you on your holy ass.

Alias
 
T

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly

Alias said:
Donald L McDaniel wrote:

Still on your high moral horse, eh? You wouldn't know the truth if it
smacked you on your holy ass.

Alias

Alias, you are absolutely right about donald. I posted proof to him
about this earlier in this thread, and he is too scared to even reply to
my post:
Donald L. McDaniel wrote:
I don't quite understand what you mean by "excessively maiking
customers' lives miserable...".

My life has never been made even "partially miserable" by something
Microsoft has done or plans on doing. I've never had any problems
with activating or validating my OS.

That's not true donald.

On Dec. 11th, you posted the following into the "What is the d/l link
for vista sp1?":

------quote----------
What happened to the distro for the public, which Microsoft claims is
being made available through Windows Download and Windows Update?

Supposedly, this distro is being made available "this week" (i.e., the
week of Dec 10) Supposedly on the 10th.

It never appeared anywhere on the 10th.

I'm getting so tired of Microsoft's lies, miscommunications, and
deceptions.

Microsoft says one thing, then does another.
That's so juvenile.

Donald L. McDaniel
--------end quote---------

He is simply hopeless.

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Alias

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
Alias, you are absolutely right about donald. I posted proof to him
about this earlier in this thread, and he is too scared to even reply to
my post:


That's not true donald.

On Dec. 11th, you posted the following into the "What is the d/l link
for vista sp1?":

------quote----------
What happened to the distro for the public, which Microsoft claims is
being made available through Windows Download and Windows Update?

Supposedly, this distro is being made available "this week" (i.e., the
week of Dec 10) Supposedly on the 10th.

It never appeared anywhere on the 10th.

I'm getting so tired of Microsoft's lies, miscommunications, and
deceptions.

Microsoft says one thing, then does another.
That's so juvenile.

Donald L. McDaniel
--------end quote---------

He is simply hopeless.

Donald? Oh Donald?

Heh.

Alias
 
D

Donald L McDaniel

Alias, you are absolutely right about donald. I posted proof to him
about this earlier in this thread, and he is too scared to even reply to
my post:


That's not true donald.

On Dec. 11th, you posted the following into the "What is the d/l link
for vista sp1?":

------quote----------
What happened to the distro for the public, which Microsoft claims is
being made available through Windows Download and Windows Update?

Supposedly, this distro is being made available "this week" (i.e., the
week of Dec 10) Supposedly on the 10th.

It never appeared anywhere on the 10th.

I'm getting so tired of Microsoft's lies, miscommunications, and
deceptions.

Microsoft says one thing, then does another.
That's so juvenile.

Donald L. McDaniel
--------end quote---------

He is simply hopeless.


Actually, what I was was "a greedy and impatient little child".

However, as usual, Microsoft caused me no problems with activating my
OS, which has been the theme of my responses in this thread.

That you completely missed this shows your lack of English
comprehension beyond a 3rd-grade level, as well as your obvious desire
to do harm to the truth in any way you can. In that, you are much
like your father.

By the way, as a Christian I am never without hope. In fact, I have a
living hope, as Abraham and the other Patriarchs did, and as Christ
Himself had.

You know, if you would not make these anti-Christian comments, I would
not even mention my faith. But you insist on showing yourself for
what you really are over and over. And i have no other choice. As a
Christian, I am always set for the defense of the Faith.


Buh, bye...

Donald L McDaniel
 
D

Donald L McDaniel

While I understand your point I have to say that in the day and age of PC's
with spell checkers what is the point of Grammar? I mean when I went to
school it was that way. But with the Information Age it is very noticeable
that people are getting more lazy and just taking shortcuts to get things
done. Not just laziness is the cause but the fact that we also do more and
have time restraints. Being a father I don't have time to go over every
response I give since I have other responsibilties that take priority over
making sure I spelled every eord correctly or that I used correct grammar.

As long as you get the point acrossed and they understand you what real
difference does it make? Will that extra time spend proofing your responses
going to help me get a job? Do they look at these newsgroups and evaluate
me for a job opening? No. They use Google to find out about you as a
person. they look at Social Site like MySpace and Facebook to see what you
have to say and what company you keep online.

So while your efforts are worth while, in the 21st Century they are futile.
At least from the way I see it.

I do understand your point about "time constraints".

Being no longer responsible to anyone but Christ and myself, such
things have slipped away almost entirely. However, they were
important while I was married. But I do remember how it was. Anyone
who has been through Hell and back not just once, but twice, will
remember it the rest of his life.

Women can take up a lot of our time.

As to your "futile" statement: I can see why you would think that:
your mind is limited by the Finite, and you are unable to see beyond
the few years you have remaining on this earth.

Wisdom is not just for this earth, Alex: our lessons here on the
earth all have a goal: to prepare us for the next world. If we do
not learn them now, we will have no new chance to learn them then.

We should have a single purpose in life: to somehow get through it
with at least a little of the child-like faith and concern for others
we had while young still remaining.

No, Alex: my small efforts are not futile. Nor are yours, or anyone
else's. EVERYTHING done in love for one's fellow-man is eternal in
nature, and will remain through the final judgment.

I love my fellow human being, friend. To see him in darkness and
ignorance causes my spirit to mourn for his loss, and sometimes burn
with anger at his apparent unwillingness to get up out of his misery.

But I realize that this complacency has a source which is hard to
recognize. So I restrain my anger as much as possible.

But it is not enough to just mourn for man's plight. We must also be
willing to be moved to action, because love without the presence of
compassion is pretty useless. And compassion is not just a warm and
cozy feeling in your bowels. If it does not move you to action, it is
just a warm and cozy feeling which will probably pass away with a cup
of hot cocoa and a dump.

My little efforts seem futile to you now, Alex. But they will someday
have a good harvest. If this happens in the heart of even a single
man, my small efforts will never have been futile.

It is better to have an eternal perspective, Alex. If one maintains
an eternal perspective, he will never lose hope.

Donald L McDaniel
 
T

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly

Donald said:
Actually, what I was was "a greedy and impatient little child".

However, as usual, Microsoft caused me no problems with activating my
OS, which has been the theme of my responses in this thread.

"My life has never been made even "partially miserable" by something
Microsoft has done or plans on doing."

This statement made by you is clearly more generalized than just
applying to WGA/N or WPA. You are a hypocrate.
That you completely missed this shows your lack of English
comprehension beyond a 3rd-grade level, as well as your obvious desire
to do harm to the truth in any way you can.

Since it comforts you to tell yourself this, then go ahead.
In that, you are much like your father.

My father, as in the father, the son and the holy ghost?
By the way, as a Christian I am never without hope. In fact, I have a
living hope, as Abraham and the other Patriarchs did, and as Christ
Himself had.

You know, if you would not make these anti-Christian comments, I would
not even mention my faith. But you insist on showing yourself for
what you really are over and over. And i have no other choice. As a
Christian, I am always set for the defense of the Faith.

No, you are just a bible thumper.
Buh, bye...

Donald L McDaniel

Do you really mean it!?! :D

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Donald L McDaniel

"My life has never been made even "partially miserable" by something
Microsoft has done or plans on doing."

And I still stand by this statement. The facts are, any bad feelings
I had at the time were NOT caused by Microsoft, but were my OWN
INTERNAL childishnesses, caused by no one but myself.
This statement made by you is clearly more generalized than just
applying to WGA/N or WPA. You are a hypocrate.

A "generalized statement" made in the Context of a SPECIFIC subject is
actually a SPECIALIZED statement, and applies DIRECTLY to the subject
at hand.

That you misunderstood this only shows YOUR lack of skill in English
comprehension.
Since it comforts you to tell yourself this, then go ahead.

It certainly doesn't comfort me, even in the least. I am VERY
UNCOMFORTABLE around those who misuse the English language.
My father, as in the father, the son and the holy ghost?

"Your father", as in "your father, the Devil"...
No, you are just a bible thumper.

Perhaps you need a little "Bible thumping". But I wouldn't use the
Bible to thump my hand: I would use it to give you a heavy thumping
on your head for being so damned ignorant.
Do you really mean it!?! :D

Not in the context YOU mean it.
BTW, I ALWAYS get the last word in, bud..
So don't fool yourself into thinking this is over...

Continue your anti-Christ behavior toward me, and you will hear MUCH
MORE of my "bible-thumping", not less.

If you want peace, stop making war on me and my Faith.

I can be a great friend, but I can also be a "crusty old bastard", if
you desire. I would prefer to make friends, not enemies. But I NEVER
compromise with lies, misconceptions, and poor English skills.

Donald L McDaniel
 
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Alias

Donald said:
BTW, I ALWAYS get the last word in, bud..
So don't fool yourself into thinking this is over...

Continue your anti-Christ behavior toward me, and you will hear MUCH
MORE of my "bible-thumping", not less.

If you want peace, stop making war on me and my Faith.

I can be a great friend, but I can also be a "crusty old bastard", if
you desire. I would prefer to make friends, not enemies. But I NEVER
compromise with lies, misconceptions, and poor English skills.

Donald L McDaniel

Now, that's a keeper.

Alias
 
T

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly

Donald said:
And I still stand by this statement.

Me too, since I made it.
The facts are, any bad feelings
I had at the time were NOT caused by Microsoft, but were my OWN
INTERNAL childishnesses, caused by no one but myself.


A "generalized statement" made in the Context of a SPECIFIC subject is
actually a SPECIALIZED statement, and applies DIRECTLY to the subject
at hand.

That you misunderstood this only shows YOUR lack of skill in English
comprehension.

Is that really the best you have to reply with?! LOL!
It certainly doesn't comfort me, even in the least. I am VERY
UNCOMFORTABLE around those who misuse the English language.


"Your father", as in "your father, the Devil"...

You characterize me in a position that is really more powerful than I
actually am. Do you suffer delusions of grandeur often?
Perhaps you need a little "Bible thumping". But I wouldn't use the
Bible to thump my hand: I would use it to give you a heavy thumping
on your head for being so damned ignorant.


Not in the context YOU mean it.
BTW, I ALWAYS get the last word in, bud..

OK. You've shown worse trolling behavior before.
So don't fool yourself into thinking this is over...

It's over whenever I want it to be over. ;)
Continue your anti-Christ behavior toward me, and you will hear MUCH
MORE of my "bible-thumping", not less.

If you want peace, stop making war on me and my Faith.

I can be a great friend, but I can also be a "crusty old bastard", if
you desire. I would prefer to make friends, not enemies. But I NEVER
compromise with lies, misconceptions, and poor English skills.

I understand you don't compromise with these things. You lie,
misconceive, etc. as hard as you can with a 100% effort!
Donald L McDaniel

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Alias said:
Now, that's a keeper.

Alias

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Frank

Alias said:
The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:


Frank's got competition ;-)

Alias

I see you haven't stopped your lying.
Pity...try growing up loser.
Frank
 

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