Vista & MS Outlook Express 6

[Justin]

That link leads to a $40 program. What other app are you talking about and
is it free?

I never said free. I said third party. If you want free then use Windows
Backup. Unless you're using Vista Home Basic then you should have it.

If you copy the message store from Windows Mail, what do you do with it on
the new computer, just paste it over the message store in the new
computer?

Yes. Just like OE only now it contains your addresses.

With T-Bird, you copy the Profile and paste it on the other computer and
you're done. Bye bye OE and no Windows Mail for me.

Your point? If you want to use firebird then use firebird. Welcome to the
freedom of choice.

 

[Alias]

I never said free. I said third party. If you want free then use
Windows Backup. Unless you're using Vista Home Basic then you should
have it.

I see. And you've used it to back up and restore Windows Mail?

Yes. Just like OE only now it contains your addresses.

With OE, .DBX files have to be imported. Sigs, rules, blocked senders
and accounts have to be merged into the registry. Address books have to
be imported. You obviously haven't a clue.

Your point?

My point is that backing up T-Bird is much easier than OE and wondered
if Windows Mail had made it simpler or not. I can see you haven't tested
it so I am probably asking the wrong person.

If you want to use firebird then use firebird.

It's Fire Fox and Thunder Bird. I don't know what firebird is, sorry.

Welcome to
the freedom of choice.

OE has only one advantage over T-Bird: the multiple signatures feature.

Alias

 

[Justin]

I see. And you've used it to back up and restore Windows Mail?
Yes.


With OE, .DBX files have to be imported.

They absolutely DO NOT. Who told you that? You can dump an entire set of
DBX files into whatever store folder you want (just don't keep any old ones,
waste of space). If that's what you did in the past then you've wasted your
time.

Sigs, rules, blocked senders and accounts have to be merged into the
registry.

With OE that is correct. A simple reg backup and you are good to go. I
don't agree with how it works but it is what it is.

Address books have to be imported. You obviously haven't a clue.

Excused me?

1. I never said address books didn't have to be imported with OE. You need
to think before you speak. More specifically it doesn't have anything to do
with OE. The Windows Address Book is it's own entity.

2. The address book ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT have to be imported. Once again you
are wrong. I just LOVE how you spout the "haven't a clue" bit when you
spread incorrect information on a regular basis. You can import the .WAB
file if you wish or import addresses from another compatible source however
you can ALSO simply copy over the .WAB file and replace the existing one.
So NO alias the address book DOES NOT HAVE TO be imported. In addition,
which I'm pretty sure you've forced yourself to do in the past, you do NOT
have to export the windows address book in order to archive it's data. All
you have to do is backup the .WAB file.

As I said, which you do not seem to be able to understand, is that with WM
your contacts are now stored with the mail store. So it's one step closer
to being centralized. In addition the account settings are also in the
store folder. Yet another step to being centralized.

How you are not able to follow along with this? I've spelled it out for you
more then once already.

My point is that backing up T-Bird is much easier than OE and wondered if
Windows Mail had made it simpler or not.

1. Who the F cares if T-Bird is easier then OE? Besides you.

2. I already answered your question with WM TWICE!

I can see you haven't tested it so I am probably asking the wrong person.

I can see that you can't read. Gees alias, I've answered your question
TWICE? Are you seriously this incompetent?

Here's an example of why I believe you completely talk out of your rear:

1. alias asks: "And you've used it to back up and restore Windows Mail?:

THEN

2. alias states without waiting for an answer: "I can see you haven't
tested it"

How can you see that alias? How does your brain come up with these
thoughts? You jump to conclusions and that's been proven time and time
again. But you just had to do it! You just had pull the "no clue" garbage.
The said part is, on top of it all you have just proven to everyone that do
you not know what you are talking about in regards to OE.

It's Fire Fox and Thunder Bird. I don't know what firebird is, sorry.

Too much caffeine!

So once again, for a third time, alias's question has been answered for him.
I look forward to hear from you again on this mater and I look forward to
your attempt to prove me wrong in regards to how DBX and WAB files work.

 

[Alias]

They absolutely DO NOT. Who told you that? You can dump an entire set
of DBX files into whatever store folder you want (just don't keep any
old ones, waste of space). If that's what you did in the past then
you've wasted your time.

You've tried it?

With OE that is correct. A simple reg backup and you are good to go. I
don't agree with how it works but it is what it is.

Unlike T-Bird.

Excused me?

1. I never said address books didn't have to be imported with OE. You
need to think before you speak. More specifically it doesn't have
anything to do with OE. The Windows Address Book is it's own entity.

2. The address book ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT have to be imported. Once again
you are wrong. I just LOVE how you spout the "haven't a clue" bit when
you spread incorrect information on a regular basis. You can import the
.WAB file if you wish or import addresses from another compatible source
however you can ALSO simply copy over the .WAB file and replace the
existing one. So NO alias the address book DOES NOT HAVE TO be
imported. In addition, which I'm pretty sure you've forced yourself to
do in the past, you do NOT have to export the windows address book in
order to archive it's data. All you have to do is backup the .WAB file.

As I said, which you do not seem to be able to understand, is that with
WM your contacts are now stored with the mail store. So it's one step
closer to being centralized. In addition the account settings are also
in the store folder. Yet another step to being centralized.

How you are not able to follow along with this? I've spelled it out for
you more then once already.

Well, importing it has worked for me since 97.

1. Who the F cares if T-Bird is easier then OE? Besides you.

Anyone looking for an email program that is easy to back up and has as
you write spell check and a great junk filter.

2. I already answered your question with WM TWICE!

Actually, you haven't.

I can see that you can't read. Gees alias, I've answered your question
TWICE? Are you seriously this incompetent?

Here's an example of why I believe you completely talk out of your rear:

1. alias asks: "And you've used it to back up and restore Windows Mail?:

THEN

2. alias states without waiting for an answer: "I can see you haven't
tested it"

How can you see that alias? How does your brain come up with these
thoughts? You jump to conclusions and that's been proven time and time
again. But you just had to do it! You just had pull the "no clue"
garbage. The said part is, on top of it all you have just proven to
everyone that do you not know what you are talking about in regards to OE.
Yawn.


Too much caffeine!

So once again, for a third time, alias's question has been answered for
him. I look forward to hear from you again on this mater and I look
forward to your attempt to prove me wrong in regards to how DBX and WAB
files work.

If you'd spend more time on replying to content and less on
oneupsmanship, our thread would have finished long ago.

Alias

 

[Justin]

You've tried it?

Unlike some people that talk out their rear, I only state fact when I know
something as fact. Of course I've tried it. I have over 300s machine using
OE. I bounce all mail stores to a network share. Everyone's OE store is in
the same place. Since the compact routine doesn't work for squat I
consistently bounce DBX stores around and clean them. You can also point OE
to any folder you want with a single key change.

Unlike T-Bird.

Good for T-Bird.

Well, importing it has worked for me since 97.

Well, now you know better. I thought you use T-Bird?

Anyone looking for an email program that is easy to back up and has as you
write spell check and a great junk filter.

Well, guess what else WM has! I use T-Bird on my U3 drive and I personally
do not like it. So your praise of it means nothing to me.

Actually, you haven't.

It's pointless to talk to you.

alias asked: "Have they made the back up simpler than OE?"

I've answered YES three times and explained WHY three times. Go back and
read.

Yawn.

You always yawn when you can't explain your actions.

If you'd spend more time on replying to content and less on oneupsmanship,
our thread would have finished long ago.

1. I answered your question on 03/21/07 @ 6:42pm. You then went from
wanting to know if it was easier to backup on to the specifics you needed to
backup. You are a very confused individual. I'll even go back to the
beginning of this thread and keep it short this time.

2. You keep replying and asking questions ("You've tried it?"). Unlike
yourself, I'm not rude and will answer ANYONE'S questions whether I dislike
them or not. Plus, I had to clear up the INCORRECT information you spouted
about OE.

 

[Justin]

Has Windows Mail made it easier or does one have to import messages, merge
the sigs, rules and accounts and import the address book like you need to
do with OE?

What part of this wasn't clear:

"If you backup with Windows backup then you are covered."

Are you needing further explanation of how Windows Backup works? That would
be a whole new thread.

 

[Alias]

What part of this wasn't clear:

"If you backup with Windows backup then you are covered."

Depends on how easy Windows backup is.

Are you needing further explanation of how Windows Backup works? That
would be a whole new thread.

What's involved with Windows Backup?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Unlike some people that talk out their rear, I only state fact when I
know something as fact. Of course I've tried it. I have over 300s
machine using OE. I bounce all mail stores to a network share.
Everyone's OE store is in the same place. Since the compact routine
doesn't work for squat I consistently bounce DBX stores around and clean
them. You can also point OE to any folder you want with a single key
change.

I didn't know that. I thought they had to be imported. You learn
something new every day.

Good for T-Bird.


Well, now you know better. I thought you use T-Bird?

I use both.

Well, guess what else WM has! I use T-Bird on my U3 drive and I
personally do not like it. So your praise of it means nothing to me.

It takes getting used to, especially if you've used OE for a long time.

It's pointless to talk to you.

On the other post, I requested to know how easy it is to use Windows
backup. With an explanation of that, you will have completed the answer
to my question.

alias asked: "Have they made the back up simpler than OE?"

I've answered YES three times and explained WHY three times. Go back
and read.

WHAT is it? What do you have to do to DO the backup?

<snip>

Alias

 

[Nina DiBoy]

I didn't know that. I thought they had to be imported. You learn something
new every day.


I use both.


It takes getting used to, especially if you've used OE for a long time.


On the other post, I requested to know how easy it is to use Windows
backup. With an explanation of that, you will have completed the answer to
my question.


WHAT is it? What do you have to do to DO the backup?

<snip>

Alias

There are a few things I really don't like about Windows Mail, although it
is better than it was in the beta. It still reminds me way too much of
Outhouse Distress. Even worse, I don't have Quotefix for it. The other
thing that drives me batty is that it still defaults to top posting. Ugh!

 

[Tinman]

There are a few things I really don't like about Windows Mail, although it
is better than it was in the beta. It still reminds me way too much of
Outhouse Distress. Even worse, I don't have Quotefix for it. The other
thing that drives me batty is that it still defaults to top posting. Ugh!

It might not be the default setting, but Windows Mail does at least allow
the cursor to be placed at the end of a reply, instead of at the beginning.
Outlook Express, alone, has no such option.

 

[Justin]

Depends on how easy Windows backup is.


What's involved with Windows Backup?

Alias

It's pretty much the same as the one with XP. Open it and use it. The only
difference is, instead of only being able to backup files you get to backup
additional app data.

As for explanation:

Start app, select backup, next, next, select items, next, next....something
like that. It's pretty straight forward.

 

[Justin]

On the other post, I requested to know how easy it is to use Windows
backup. With an explanation of that, you will have completed the answer to
my question.

Other post answered.

 

[Justin]

It might not be the default setting, but Windows Mail does at least allow
the cursor to be placed at the end of a reply, instead of at the
beginning. Outlook Express, alone, has no such option.

That is correct. WM has "Compose reply at the bottom of the original
message"

 

[Alias]

It's pretty much the same as the one with XP. Open it and use it. The
only difference is, instead of only being able to backup files you get
to backup additional app data.

As for explanation:

Start app, select backup, next, next, select items, next,
next....something like that. It's pretty straight forward.

So, about 15 clicks. I see. The OE Freebie program I use for OE is open
app. click on Complete Backup. Exit. With T-Bird, copy the Profile
folder. Paste it. Done. And it's not like MS doesn't know about this
sort of thing when Outlook back up is to, like T-Bird, just copy one
file, .PST.

Alias

 

[Justin]

So, about 15 clicks.

Who told you that? More like 6. Read again.

I see.

I don't think you do.

The OE Freebie program I use for OE is open app. click on Complete Backup.
Exit.

So? What's the point? All that app does is backup OE. The Windows Backup
utility does much more PLUS you don't need to install YET ANOTHER app on
your machine.

With T-Bird, copy the Profile folder. Paste it. Done.

How many times are you going to repeat the same thing? No one cares THIS
MUCH about T-Bird except you. So, for the third, fourth (?) time use
T-Bird.

And it's not like MS doesn't know about this sort of thing when Outlook
back up is to, like T-Bird, just copy one file, .PST.

Again, wrong info. That doesn't include your PAB or other custom settings.

 

[Alias]

Who told you that? More like 6. Read again.

I count seven and an "etc". You didn't really say how many. Read what
you wrote again, being as you didn't deign to include it in this message.

I don't think you do.


So? What's the point? All that app does is backup OE. The Windows
Backup utility does much more PLUS you don't need to install YET ANOTHER
app on your machine.

It takes less than 2 seconds to install, although you can't get it any
more because the writer of the program thought it was ugly and took it
off the Net.

How many times are you going to repeat the same thing? No one cares
THIS MUCH about T-Bird except you. So, for the third, fourth (?) time
use T-Bird.

I do, I do, I do, I do, I do. Look at my headers.

Again, wrong info. That doesn't include your PAB or other custom settings.

OK, then, T-Bird is easier to back up than any of the MS crap. Thanks,
another reason to wait on Vista.

Alias

 

[Justin]

I count seven and an "etc". You didn't really say how many. Read what you
wrote again, being as you didn't deign to include it in this message.

select backup
1


2


3

select items
4

5


6

....something like that. It's pretty straight forward.

This is NOT an "etc". Please STOP quoting things that do not exist. Like I
said, go back and read.

It takes less than 2 seconds to install, although you can't get it any
more because the writer of the program thought it was ugly and took it off
the Net.

Wow, that's great?

I do, I do, I do, I do, I do. Look at my headers.

Oh, I'm sorry. Let me repeat that and be as specific as possible so you'll
understand.

How many times are you going to repeat the same thing? No one cares THIS
MUCH about T-Bird except you. So, for the third, fourth (?) time use T-Bird
and NEVER use OE again as well as WM for fear that it would be different
then what you are used to using since you already SPECIFICALLY stated you
use BOTH T-Bird and OE yet continue to bitch and moan about OE even though
you've proven you know very little about how OE works.

Was that a long enough, jam packed run-on sentence for you?

OK, then, T-Bird is easier to back up than any of the MS crap. Thanks,
another reason to wait on Vista.

Yes, someone with your lack of ability to run Windows Backup for himself to
see how easy it is (has to ask), is much better off using T-Bird as was
already mentioned to you now four to five times...... I just remembered
where firebird came from. It's an old joke combining the two. Generally,
people that use one, use both. Not so much any more though.

 

[Tech Support]

FYI...

In Vista, Outlook Express was replaced with Microsoft Mail.

 

[Justin]

FYI...

In Vista, Outlook Express was replaced with Microsoft Mail.

Did you read the thread? We discussed the backup improvements of WM versus
OE.

 

[Justin]

I count seven and an "etc". You didn't really say how many. Read what you
wrote again, being as you didn't deign to include it in this message.

Oh really? Now you count 7? What happened to 15? I accept your apology
over the 15 step exaggeration.

select backup
1


2


3

select items
4

5


6

....something like that. It's pretty straight forward.

This is NOT an "etc". Please STOP quoting things that do not exist. Like I
said, go back and read.

It takes less than 2 seconds to install, although you can't get it any
more because the writer of the program thought it was ugly and took it off
the Net.

Wow, that's great?

I do, I do, I do, I do, I do. Look at my headers.

Oh, I'm sorry. Let me repeat that and be as specific as possible so you'll
understand.

How many times are you going to repeat the same thing? No one cares THIS
MUCH about T-Bird except you. So, for the third, fourth (?) time use T-Bird
and NEVER use OE again as well as WM for fear that it would be different
then what you are used to using since you already SPECIFICALLY stated you
use BOTH T-Bird and OE yet continue to bitch and moan about OE even though
you've proven you know very little about how OE works.

Was that a long enough, jam packed run-on sentence for you?

OK, then, T-Bird is easier to back up than any of the MS crap. Thanks,
another reason to wait on Vista.

Yes, someone with your lack of ability to run Windows Backup for himself to
see how easy it is (has to ask), is much better off using T-Bird as was
already mentioned to you now four to five times...... I just remembered
where firebird came from. It's an old joke combining the two. Generally,
people that use one, use both. Not so much any more though.