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Alias
Synapse said:
It's because OE puts the cursor at the top and she or he doesn't know
what other newsreaders do, being as she or he doesn't use them. A true
MS groupie.
Alias
It's because OE puts the cursor at the top and she or he doesn't know
what other newsreaders do, being as she or he doesn't use them. A true
MS groupie.
Alias
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Synapse Syndrome
Alias said:
Windows Mail finally fixes it. I actually have always liked OE/WM. Never
tried Thunderbird, but I have always hated Agent.
ss.
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Alias
Synapse said:
About time.
I still use OE for my business email on my production machine.
Thunderbird is good except for the one sig file per email account. It
has a great anti spam program.
Alias
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Mario
I have been lurking usenet for lo these many years, and I don't like to make
millions of other 'lurkers' have to scroll down through all that 'old stuff'
to
get to the meat of the thread. It's the courteous thing to do. Let those
that want to read all of the posts everytime a new post appears, let them do
the scrolling. Sure, you can snip away all you want, but a lot of scrolling
is still required, and my 'scroller' doesn't like wasted motion/time. YMMV.
appears, make them do all the scrolling.
millions of other 'lurkers' have to scroll down through all that 'old stuff'
to
get to the meat of the thread. It's the courteous thing to do. Let those
that want to read all of the posts everytime a new post appears, let them do
the scrolling. Sure, you can snip away all you want, but a lot of scrolling
is still required, and my 'scroller' doesn't like wasted motion/time. YMMV.
appears, make them do all the scrolling.
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Synapse Syndrome
Mario said:
That's very considerate of you. Maybe you could extend that courtesy by
making your posts easier to understand.
ss.
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Ed Forsythe
I agree Mario,
OE puts the cursor on top and that's where I want it. When I'm chasing a
post with many replies I like to see the most recent reply on top. Every
time I click a reply I see the most recent and I don't have to scroll down
to find the most recent. Makes sense to me. I they *fixed* it in Vista I'm
disappointed because it wasn't broken
OE puts the cursor on top and that's where I want it. When I'm chasing a
post with many replies I like to see the most recent reply on top. Every
time I click a reply I see the most recent and I don't have to scroll down
to find the most recent. Makes sense to me. I they *fixed* it in Vista I'm
disappointed because it wasn't broken
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Eric
If what you're responding to seems too long to scroll past, delete whatEd Forsythe said:I agree Mario,
OE puts the cursor on top and that's where I want it. When I'm chasing a
post with many replies I like to see the most recent reply on top. Every
time I click a reply I see the most recent and I don't have to scroll down
to find the most recent. Makes sense to me. I they *fixed* it in Vista
I'm disappointed because it wasn't broken
doesn't apply. Usually you only want to reply to one post in the thread,
and your response may only refer to a small section of that post.
People must think you're crazy, walking around saying "I'm fine", expecting
them to say "How are you?". Generally, the response comes after..
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Robert Moir
I've seen a slowdown in some explorer operations. At the moment, it's
too early to say what is going on. The fact that it seems to affect
some people but not others could suggest a driver issue (this is a
possibility if your drive uses its own custom driver in XP instead of
working at top speed with the generic USB drive/Removable disk
drivers). It could also suggest that there is an issue with Windows
Explorer in Vista too, and that some people are either lucky or not
very observant.
I'm kinda leaning to the 'issue with explorer' thing myself, but I
think realistically the jury is still out for the while.
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Eric
It could be a driver problem.Robert Moir said:
Another thread also suggests you may need to turn off indexing.
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Robert Moir
Yes, I already said that. It could also be that the magic pixies inside
my computer are angry. The point is no one really knows what the issue
is.
You mean part of one the major reasons given for buying Vista in the
first place? Bit of a tough sell that one. And again, why does this
only cause a problem for some people. That suggests that indexing
performance is merely a symptom of a deeper underlying cause that is
shown up by heavy disk access, such as you would see while indexing is
taking place.
In other words, nobody knows for sure, or to use yet another different
set of words "The jury is still out". Wait, I already said that, too.
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Kurt Herman
I think most of the slowdowns like that are "ownership" problems. One of the
first things I did when I installed Vista is to take ownership of ALL of my
old hardrives/folders ect.
After that all the file copy operations are back to a normal speed.
Remember, all your old files on your computer( if they were created when you
were running an older OS), will still be owned by the old user( you, but you
in XP)....
Kurt
first things I did when I installed Vista is to take ownership of ALL of my
old hardrives/folders ect.
After that all the file copy operations are back to a normal speed.
Remember, all your old files on your computer( if they were created when you
were running an older OS), will still be owned by the old user( you, but you
in XP)....
Kurt
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Guest
I am finding Vista much of a muchness with XP2 speed wise. The slowness is
that it has so much security now that that slows everything down. It just
takes too long to open and close or move thing within Explore.
A bug I'm finding is that it resets all my data files as 'read only' despite
numerous resettings of the properties and customised views of the Explore
windows. I'm the only one using this computer yet I have to do so many work
arounds just to get to and do my work. I cannot understand the logic in
"Network Sharing Centre". When I change settings nothing clears up - things
seem to get burried deeper behind security walls.
that it has so much security now that that slows everything down. It just
takes too long to open and close or move thing within Explore.
A bug I'm finding is that it resets all my data files as 'read only' despite
numerous resettings of the properties and customised views of the Explore
windows. I'm the only one using this computer yet I have to do so many work
arounds just to get to and do my work. I cannot understand the logic in
"Network Sharing Centre". When I change settings nothing clears up - things
seem to get burried deeper behind security walls.
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
....about Vista being slow when transferring data between HD and USB.
Vista is fatter than XP, so it doesn't surprise me that it's slower.
Now folks will often say "Why does Vista have to be so fat? I mean, I
love features A B and C and would hate to lose them, but adding X, Y
and Z just makes it slow and I'd love to rip those out".
All very well, except that while many folks say this, often one dude's
A, B and C is some other dude's X, Y and Z.
PCs will gat faster. If Vista is (say) 50% slower on the same PC, it
will matter less when the PC evolves to be 200% faster.
PCs will not get smaller or less complex, and Vista's "fatness' may be
needed to make that largeness and complexity manageable. PCs of the
future may simply not work within XP's smaller capability bubble.
If you don't believe me, talk to some Win9x fans about USB sticks, HDs
over 137G, over 2G RAM, over 3GHz processor speed, modern PCI Express
motherboards and chipsets, etc.
Well, what slows things down?
- hardware retries
- incorrect operating mode, e.g. PIO vs. UDMA5
- software efficiency
- additional software overhead
Drivers are the weak point in software efficiency; they vary from
device to device, are often flaky, and are charged with the
speed-sensitive mechanics of operating the device - including setting
it to the correct operational mode.
Malware is software that is written to hide from the user, run all the
time, and tap into various speed-sensitive process flows. The
standard of coding usually sucks too.
For this reason, it sounds entirely sensible that any discussion of
"why is it slow" should start with these issues.
Software is pre-coded human logic. Humans aren't that smart or
infallible, and lumping a bunch of humans together (as one has to do,
to create serious sware) creates additional inefficiencies and errors
that arise in the interactions between them.
Pre-coded logic has to cater for all possibilities in advance, and
anything unexpected is simply not handled at all.
So: How smart do you expect any software, Vista included, to be?
Be easier to use!
Vista is fatter than XP, so it doesn't surprise me that it's slower.
Now folks will often say "Why does Vista have to be so fat? I mean, I
love features A B and C and would hate to lose them, but adding X, Y
and Z just makes it slow and I'd love to rip those out".
All very well, except that while many folks say this, often one dude's
A, B and C is some other dude's X, Y and Z.
PCs will gat faster. If Vista is (say) 50% slower on the same PC, it
will matter less when the PC evolves to be 200% faster.
PCs will not get smaller or less complex, and Vista's "fatness' may be
needed to make that largeness and complexity manageable. PCs of the
future may simply not work within XP's smaller capability bubble.
If you don't believe me, talk to some Win9x fans about USB sticks, HDs
over 137G, over 2G RAM, over 3GHz processor speed, modern PCI Express
motherboards and chipsets, etc.
Well, what slows things down?
- hardware retries
- incorrect operating mode, e.g. PIO vs. UDMA5
- software efficiency
- additional software overhead
Drivers are the weak point in software efficiency; they vary from
device to device, are often flaky, and are charged with the
speed-sensitive mechanics of operating the device - including setting
it to the correct operational mode.
Malware is software that is written to hide from the user, run all the
time, and tap into various speed-sensitive process flows. The
standard of coding usually sucks too.
For this reason, it sounds entirely sensible that any discussion of
"why is it slow" should start with these issues.
Software is pre-coded human logic. Humans aren't that smart or
infallible, and lumping a bunch of humans together (as one has to do,
to create serious sware) creates additional inefficiencies and errors
that arise in the interactions between them.
Pre-coded logic has to cater for all possibilities in advance, and
anything unexpected is simply not handled at all.
So: How smart do you expect any software, Vista included, to be?
Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use!