Vista isn't THAT slow

[graham1cr]

Don't know why people complain about Vista being slooowwww. If the
hardware is up to scratch it should run OK.

Ran SuperPi Ver 1.5 on a dual boot XP Pro and Vista Ult 32.

Selected 4 million decimal places

Result:

XP 1 min 39.890 sec

Vista (Aero) 1 min 42.524 sec

Vista (classic) 1 min 40.168 sec (less than 0.3 sec slower than XP)

I know this doesn't prove much but I found that on a decent system
Vista is just as fast as XP

Graham

 

[NoStop]

Don't know why people complain about Vista being slooowwww. If the
hardware is up to scratch it should run OK.

Ran SuperPi Ver 1.5 on a dual boot XP Pro and Vista Ult 32.

Selected 4 million decimal places

Result:

XP 1 min 39.890 sec

Vista (Aero) 1 min 42.524 sec

Vista (classic) 1 min 40.168 sec (less than 0.3 sec slower than XP)

I know this doesn't prove much but I found that on a decent system
Vista is just as fast as XP

Graham

That's the role of the CPU. Have you tried to move files over a LAN or copy
large files to an external USB drive? Tell us how fast Vista is.

Cheers.

--
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Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

 

[Scrivener]

Hi, Graham:

The crux is what you indicated: one has to have the hardware to run Vista
efficiently. That's the problem. Who wants to rush out and buy/upgrade
their equipment, when XP works just fine on older machines?

I'm just pointing out, many people/small businesses can't afford and don't
see the "need" to upgrade. Word is out that Microsoft is working on
another O.S. to be released, from what I understand, within the next couple
of years.

Microsoft, in my layman's opinion, stubbed its toe on Vista for the sake of
its bottom line. MS should have waited and introduced a truly revolutionary
O.S. for the consumer. Without sounding Draconian, remember all the
promises of what Vista was supposed to be before it was finally introduced?
Well, the Vista we now see is a shell of what was promised back then.
Better? Maybe. Slower? Yes, especially on laptops.

Though I don't disagree with you on your findings, that's my read on Vista.

Ernie

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

New computers that are coming out with vista are up to scratch so there
will be no problems with them.

The problem arises when you have people with computers two or three
years old that go out and buy the new os. Because they already have an
os when they upgrade to find out that vista is a lot more complicated
and in turn more resource hungry than the old computer they get upset.
It is obvious that newer computers are going to be able to run vista
better, they have more power. I built my rig 6 months ago, run vista
and it works well. My old rig was 4 years old and I would not dream of
trying to run vista on it because I know the limitations of that
computer.


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- Creative Inspire 7.1 T7900 Speakers
- Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Complient PSU

With all respect, XP didn't run too well on older computers either. What
exactly has changed here?

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[LAB Enterprises]

The only thing I find slow is file transfers, especially across the network.
I believe this is something that SP1 addresses though so not really worried
about it. I just let things copy in the background - I've never in that much
of a hurry.

Lori

 

[Alias]

The only thing I find slow is file transfers, especially across the
network. I believe this is something that SP1 addresses though so not
really worried about it. I just let things copy in the background - I've
never in that much of a hurry.

Lori

I hope you have a UPS protecting your computers ...

Alias

 

[graham1cr]

Took your advice NoStop and you're right

Copied 4 large files total 25.5 GB from HDD to ext USB drive
XP 13 min 19 sec
Vista 14 min 11 sec
XP clear winner

copied 5 x 340 MB files to a 2 GB USB stick
XP 6m 51 sec
Vista 6m 55 sec
hardly a difference

But I found that moving, copying or deleting thousands of SMALLER
files (like jpgs) Vista is actually slightly faster.

I agree with you Ernie, Vista should have been a lot better, the only
difference is a "pretty?" interface which some people seem to like.
Not worth getting a new PC and OS for that.
Rumor has it that the new Windows 7 is bloatfree; a few hundred MB
compared to around 12 GB (like Linux but without without all the
command line crap and hardware that works).

The ONLY reason I upped my hardware and got Vista is for DirectX 10,
which I use for MS FlightSim X. The framerate under Vista is about 15%
lower but the graphics are better, so that evens out. Sometimes this
program locks up (Nvidia is still working on this), but Vista has an
advantage here with the TRD function.

Graham

 

[graham1cr]

my Vista PC is a standalone so can't comment on LAN file transfers

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Took your advice NoStop and you're right

Copied 4 large files total 25.5 GB from HDD to ext USB drive
XP 13 min 19 sec
Vista 14 min 11 sec
XP clear winner

copied 5 x 340 MB files to a 2 GB USB stick
XP 6m 51 sec
Vista 6m 55 sec
hardly a difference

But I found that moving, copying or deleting thousands of SMALLER
files (like jpgs) Vista is actually slightly faster.

I agree with you Ernie, Vista should have been a lot better, the only
difference is a "pretty?" interface which some people seem to like.
Not worth getting a new PC and OS for that.
Rumor has it that the new Windows 7 is bloatfree; a few hundred MB
compared to around 12 GB (like Linux but without without all the
command line crap and hardware that works).

The ONLY reason I upped my hardware and got Vista is for DirectX 10,
which I use for MS FlightSim X. The framerate under Vista is about 15%
lower but the graphics are better, so that evens out. Sometimes this
program locks up (Nvidia is still working on this), but Vista has an
advantage here with the TRD function.

Graham

The 'only' difference ISN'T a pretty interface..

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[NoStop]

The 'only' difference ISN'T a pretty interface..

Of course not. Microsoft has added plenty of new features, such as more
anti-user DRM and reportedly annoying UAC. We mustn't forget things
like a convoluted marketing of versions/features that leaves most Windoze
users confused as to what they can and can't do with the version they've
purchased. Finally, another goody was the ability to shutdown functionality
of ones computer if it decides that their EULA has been abused.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

 

[NoStop]

Fixed in SP1.

Great! Unfortunately, SP1 hasn't been released yet to the general public.
But, that's the way Microsoft puts out its software. You pay to beta test,
Microsoft laughs all the way to the bank. It's a win-win situation, with
Microsoft always winning.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

 

[NoStop]

I hope you have a UPS protecting your computers ...

Alias

Why? A user like that obviously doesn't think productivity should be an
issue when using a computer.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

 

[NoStop]

With all respect, XP didn't run too well on older computers either. What
exactly has changed here?

Nothing much has changed. XP continues to not run well compared to other
alternatives out there.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

 

[Alias]

Why? A user like that obviously doesn't think productivity should be an
issue when using a computer.

Cheers.

I was thinking of the possibility that the OP would transferring files
from the HD to an external HD or network and the lights go off. Bye, bye
data.

Alias

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Great! Unfortunately, SP1 hasn't been released yet to the general public.
But, that's the way Microsoft puts out its software. You pay to beta test,
Microsoft laughs all the way to the bank. It's a win-win situation, with
Microsoft always winning.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Presumably the same for MacOS users too..

--
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How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
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Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Of course not. Microsoft has added plenty of new features, such as more
anti-user DRM and reportedly annoying UAC. We mustn't forget things
like a convoluted marketing of versions/features that leaves most Windoze
users confused as to what they can and can't do with the version they've
purchased. Finally, another goody was the ability to shutdown
functionality
of ones computer if it decides that their EULA has been abused.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

You could have mentioned:

Better memory management
Better Parental Controls
Better, faster search
Better firewall
Better security (not counting UAC)
Better damage control


Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Nothing much has changed. XP continues to not run well compared to other
alternatives out there.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Name one..

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How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

[Phisherman]

Don't know why people complain about Vista being slooowwww. If the
hardware is up to scratch it should run OK.

Ran SuperPi Ver 1.5 on a dual boot XP Pro and Vista Ult 32.

Selected 4 million decimal places

Result:

XP 1 min 39.890 sec

Vista (Aero) 1 min 42.524 sec

Vista (classic) 1 min 40.168 sec (less than 0.3 sec slower than XP)

I know this doesn't prove much but I found that on a decent system
Vista is just as fast as XP

Graham

Try to copy 1000 files. You will see a big difference. The CPU does
most of the number crunching, not the O/S.

 

[Alias]

You could have mentioned:

Better memory management

Ubuntu beats Vista by a long shot.

Better Parental Controls

Ubuntu beats Vista by a long shot.

Better, faster search

Ubuntu beats Vista by a long shot.

Better firewall

You're kidding, right?

Better security (not counting UAC)

Ubuntu beats Vista by a long shot.

Better damage control

And who's in charge of that, Frank?

Alias

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Ubuntu beats Vista by a long shot.


Ubuntu beats Vista by a long shot.


Ubuntu beats Vista by a long shot.


You're kidding, right?


Ubuntu beats Vista by a long shot.


And who's in charge of that, Frank?

Alias

Well Mr. Ubuntu, if Ubuntu is so great, why doesn't everyone install it?
Ubuntu is FREE and their market share is very low. What does that tell ya?
Tells me that Ubuntu is a Piece-O-Crap! The numbers don't lie.

Vista costs hundreds of dollars (and Euros) and millions upon millions use
it. Ubuntu is FREE and it will NEVER take over Windows. Face it, you are
just trying to market a piece of crap.