VISTA IS Screwed

[thetruthhurts]

I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
blows.

I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?

It does look better.

It does not crash as often.

MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.

That is about it for the good list.

The bad........

Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
"security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.

Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
manager activities so badly?

Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.

Vista is slower than XP.

What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
greater than XP SP2 and Vista.

If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
is it. MS has become the dinosaur.

 

[Guest]

Windows XP Support Will Terminate In 2009 For Home Users, And In 2014 For
Corporate Users, Just FYI. What You Really Need Is The Following:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008 Or http://www.ubuntu.com/ Just
FYI.

 

[Mr. Vista]

What makes you think Server 2008 will satisfy his needs? Just FYI

 

[Noel]

Go back to XP then. What OS you use is a choice. I have been using Vista
since the first day it was released to the public got Home Premium Full
Version And upgraded to Ultimate. I really like Vista. I was dual booting
with XP and last week I took it off my other hard drive. Why waste the drive
when I do not use XP anymore.

 

[Guest]

The Other Option I Mentioned Is Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW (Free
Ware), Just FYI.

 

[Richard Urban]

You are allowed to have an opinion. You are even allowed to go back to
Windows XP or an entirely different computer and operating system. You tried
Vista. You didn't like it. Many have tried Vista and "DO" like it. That is
what **choice** is all about.

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

 

[Frank]

I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
blows.

How did you last that long?

I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?

Everything, if you know how to get it running properly.

It does look better.

Better than what?

It does not crash as often.
So?

MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
view the new "security" as a big negative.

That doesn't mean it isn't more secure, does it?

Hell I can buy the best AV

and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.

Then why did you bother to deal with Vista for more than a yr?

That is about it for the good list.

You're not in control are you?

The bad........

Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
"security" even if you are a admin.

You're not in control are you?

Sometimes they appear to be

deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.

What kind of drugs are you doing?

Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
manager activities so badly?

That was fixed a long time ago. You don't bother to do updates do you?

Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.

Like which apps?

Vista is slower than XP.

On the same hardware in some instances? Yep!

What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3.

Oh...so you've based your opinion on beta releases? You are stupid
aren't you.

Not sure why MS

did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
greater than XP SP2 and Vista.

Hummm...now you've lost all creditability. You're an "asshat" aren't you.

If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
is it.

It did. It's called Vista. Do you have a legal copy?

MS has become the dinosaur.

Your story has become boring.
By any chance are you related to capin' crunch?
Frank

 

[philo]

I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
blows.

I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?

It does look better.

It does not crash as often.

MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.

That is about it for the good list.

The bad........

Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
"security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.

Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
manager activities so badly?

Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.

Vista is slower than XP.

What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
greater than XP SP2 and Vista.

If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
is it. MS has become the dinosaur.

I gave Vista a good try out for three months...then got rid of it
(but have decided to re-test it)

Anyway...since I always adjust all of my systems to "best performance"
My Vista, XP and Win2k systems all look pretty much identical.

Since I use removable drives I can test OS performace on the same H/W and
agree
that no matter how I tweak Vista...eveything runs slower than when using
Win2k or XP.
I did one test install of XP_SP3 and found the machine runs almost as fast
as the Win2k installation.

As to stability. Since I don't have any "crash" issues at all with XP...
I could not say that Vista is more stable than XP...I'd have to say they are
both the same.

But whether or not I agree with you on all points...
I am still puzzled as to why Vista does in fact take so long to perform
simple file transfers.
I think I will wait until SP1 is officially relased for Vista...then give it
one more try before I pass
my "final judgement"...But for now I plan not to use Vista for anything
other than just plain testing it.

Though it does not have any features that I am likely to need...I do admit
that some of the new features
are good ones

 

[Phisherman]

The more I use Vista the more issues I have with it. This reminds me
of Windows ME. Microsoft puts a lot of visual effects into their
product to sell it and (as promised) added a lot of security. Unlike
Linux, the security can be annoying. Vista's networking schemes is a
bomb. I should have listened more carefully to users before buying a
Vista PC. Currently there is much better support for XP but Vista
support is (very) slowing improving. My boss hates both Vista and
refuses anything dot-net.

 

[thetruthhurts]

Retards like you are just a hoot.

Vista despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being
embraced by corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think
all the negative press is a series of lies.

Vista does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security,
and app compatability. They have been reported in the press and
numerous times in this forum. Villiage idiots like you imply the end
user is stupid. Look in the mirror.

I have installed every update, some hot fixes that I was able to
obtain and the problems still exist.

Yes RC SP1 is still "beta", but it would be highly unusual for MS to
make significant changes to a RC build. I kept Vista hoping that SP1
would fix a lot of things, but it hasn't.

Ads like the anti-Vista series by Apple only work if there is basis of
truth in them.

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Some years ago...

"XP despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being embraced by
corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think all the negative
press is a series of lies.

XP does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security, and app
compatibility. They have been reported in the press and numerous times in
this forum. Village idiots like you imply the end user is stupid. Look in
the mirror."

 

[thetruthhurts]

Wrongo just a lame attempt at revising history.

XP percentage wise was installed at a much higher rate. PC vendors
did not back track and offer a prior version of Windows on new PCs.
That one fact is very telling.

XP did not have basic file mgmt issues at all and SP1 for XP was
huge.

 

[Alias]

Some years ago...

"XP despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being embraced
by corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think all the
negative press is a series of lies.

XP does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security, and app
compatibility. They have been reported in the press and numerous times
in this forum. Village idiots like you imply the end user is stupid.
Look in the mirror."

How many Dell computers or other major computer manufacturers came with
either Me or 2000 preinstalled after XP came out?

Personally, I waited until XP's SP1 came out before I switched from W2K.

Alias

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Revising history? LOL..

Where were you when XP was released? XP wasn't accepted too well until SP2
and, even after that, many had problems with it. Software and hardware
incompatibilities were the order of the day, and I was saying the same
things to people. I was also a victim at the time, having to upgrade
software and hardware in a bid to get a complete working, useful system.

The only reason that we didn't hear about some wanting to return to Win 98
and 2000 was because users, five or six years ago, were less aware of public
channels where they could air their grievances.

Business is always slow taking up new things because they have $$$$$
invested in older technology that they know works, and for the most part
will not let them down. So no change there, eh..

When I changed from XP to Vista, the only problems I had was with CD burning
and a couple of silly programs that did run but with peculiarities. It was a
far better picture than I had with XP initially.

Instead of quoting the FUD of others, how about you tell us what your
personal issues with Vista are, and we will see if we can fix them for you..

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

I have no idea what the situation was with Dell. I worked for IBM at the
time..

 

[thetruthhurts]

That's nice.

Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the history of MS that
was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
option to buy PCs with the old MS OS. They are still shipping XP
today.

 

[thetruthhurts]

You sure are. You say Xp wasn't accepted too well until after SP2, I
say bull. Corporations installed it in droves before, but especially
after SP1. Corporate depolyment of Vista to date is pathetic.

Since you don't believe me, how about Computerworld? It took me about
30 secs to find this. In particular pay attention to the part I've
arrowed for you.

"IT execs still close doors on Vista, despite update" "Vista adds a
lot of overhead and not much benefit. Honestly, we don't see the
value-add," said the CIO"

"He added that his reluctance to move to Vista is out of character,
given that the bank uses Microsoft software across the board and he
has a personal history as an early adopter of Windows releases.

--->>>>>>>>>>For example, he moved to Windows 2000 and Windows XP when
they were first released to manufacturing. <<<<<<<<<<<---

But even after Windows Vista SP1 becomes available, he expects to roll
out the software to only a few developers and other users within IT.
"We will probably go to Vista eventually, but we will take our time
about it," the CIO said. "


"There are still a lot of things that need to be in Vista for the OS
to really take hold," said Gartner analyst Stephen Kleynhans. He was
referring partly to Microsoft's need to resolve Vista's
well-publicized problems with device and software compatibility. "

 

[Frank]

That's nice.

Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the history of MS that
was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
option to buy PCs with the old MS OS.

You must be a newbie!

They are still shipping XP

today.

You must be a newbie.
Frank

 

[Alias]

You must be a newbie!

They are still shipping XP

You must be a newbie.
Frank

There you go again, Frank, insulting the messenger in a lame attempt to
discredit the message which, as usual, you don't address.

Alias

 

[Frank]

There you go again, Frank, insulting the messenger in a lame attempt to
discredit the message which, as usual, you don't address.

Alias

Translation: alias can't understand what is being discussed so he
insults, blusters and lies...nothing new.
Frank