Vista and XP network - computers can't see each other

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Vadim Berman

Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with Windows XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially, the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went to a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks. Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines, but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"), and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio on XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master browser
for the domain on transport NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
 
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Vadim Berman

Hi Robert,

Yes, it works. Both directions.


Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Do a simple test. Can you ping each other by IP?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Vadim Berman said:
Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with Windows
XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially,
the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went to
a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or
even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some
of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks.
Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines,
but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"), and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio on
XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master
browser
for the domain on transport
NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
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Vadim Berman

A-ha!

I went according to your step by step troubleshooting guide here:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibale0.htm

and on this page:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibalec1.htm
with new view <IP> it stumbles and falls with error 53.

I went to check the event log, and it says: "Unable to load
C:\Windows\System32\iprtrmgr.dll." and further "The Routing and Remote
Access service terminated with service-specific error 183 (0xB7)."

Obviously, no matter how hard I try to start Routing and Remote Access, it
doesn't start! This must be it, right?

I wonder how I fix it though... I downloaded something called rarepair.exe,
but it didn't help :-( .




Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Do a simple test. Can you ping each other by IP?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Vadim Berman said:
Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with Windows
XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially,
the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went to
a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or
even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some
of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks.
Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines,
but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"), and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio on
XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master
browser
for the domain on transport
NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
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Jim

I have almost the same identical problem. My system (laptop using wireless
access and running Vista, desktop using wired acess to network running XP)
was working perfectly until last night. I was working on adding an extender
to use with Windows Media Center on my laptop. I got it working just fine
(using an Xbox 360 for the extender), but when I tried to access files on my
desktop or print to either of two network printers, there was no connection.
The desktop sees my laptop but cannot access it. The laptop can see the
desktop icon but I get an error saying "check the spelling . . ." when I try
to access it. Hope someone can help with these problems.

Vadim Berman said:
A-ha!

I went according to your step by step troubleshooting guide here:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibale0.htm

and on this page:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibalec1.htm
with new view <IP> it stumbles and falls with error 53.

I went to check the event log, and it says: "Unable to load
C:\Windows\System32\iprtrmgr.dll." and further "The Routing and Remote
Access service terminated with service-specific error 183 (0xB7)."

Obviously, no matter how hard I try to start Routing and Remote Access, it
doesn't start! This must be it, right?

I wonder how I fix it though... I downloaded something called rarepair.exe,
but it didn't help :-( .




Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Do a simple test. Can you ping each other by IP?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Vadim Berman said:
Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with Windows
XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially,
the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went to
a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or
even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some
of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks.
Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines,
but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"), and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio on
XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master
browser
for the domain on transport
NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
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Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)

If you can ping but net view receives System error 53, it could be the
firewall issue. You also mentioned you don't use any firewall. For
troubleshooting, start the safe mode with network. Can you net view it?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Vadim Berman said:
A-ha!

I went according to your step by step troubleshooting guide here:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibale0.htm

and on this page:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibalec1.htm
with new view <IP> it stumbles and falls with error 53.

I went to check the event log, and it says: "Unable to load
C:\Windows\System32\iprtrmgr.dll." and further "The Routing and Remote
Access service terminated with service-specific error 183 (0xB7)."

Obviously, no matter how hard I try to start Routing and Remote Access, it
doesn't start! This must be it, right?

I wonder how I fix it though... I downloaded something called
rarepair.exe, but it didn't help :-( .




Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Do a simple test. Can you ping each other by IP?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Vadim Berman said:
Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with
Windows
XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially,
the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went to
a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless
public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or
even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some
of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it
to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have
the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks.
Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and
tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines,
but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"), and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio on
XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master
browser
for the domain on transport
NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
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Vadim Berman

Not really. Again, all the firewalls are switched off.

I'm getting error 67, just like your another patient here:
http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=924405

Were you able to resolve this one?

Seems like we are going in circles... Did you notice that of all the
gazillion cases, every single one of them involves a laptop and a desktop.

What is so special about it?

Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
If you can ping but net view receives System error 53, it could be the
firewall issue. You also mentioned you don't use any firewall. For
troubleshooting, start the safe mode with network. Can you net view it?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Vadim Berman said:
A-ha!

I went according to your step by step troubleshooting guide here:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibale0.htm

and on this page:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibalec1.htm
with new view <IP> it stumbles and falls with error 53.

I went to check the event log, and it says: "Unable to load
C:\Windows\System32\iprtrmgr.dll." and further "The Routing and Remote
Access service terminated with service-specific error 183 (0xB7)."

Obviously, no matter how hard I try to start Routing and Remote Access,
it doesn't start! This must be it, right?

I wonder how I fix it though... I downloaded something called
rarepair.exe, but it didn't help :-( .




Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Do a simple test. Can you ping each other by IP?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows
Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with
Windows
XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially,
the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went
to
a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless
public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or
even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some
of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it
became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it
to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have
the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks.
Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and
tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines,
but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"),
and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio
on
XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master
browser
for the domain on transport
NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
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Vadim Berman

This is exactly what I'm getting now. The inability to see was due to the
fact that one of the peer networking services was not running.

Like I mentioned - it's always a LAPTOP running Vista and an XP machine.




Jim said:
I have almost the same identical problem. My system (laptop using wireless
access and running Vista, desktop using wired acess to network running XP)
was working perfectly until last night. I was working on adding an
extender
to use with Windows Media Center on my laptop. I got it working just fine
(using an Xbox 360 for the extender), but when I tried to access files on
my
desktop or print to either of two network printers, there was no
connection.
The desktop sees my laptop but cannot access it. The laptop can see the
desktop icon but I get an error saying "check the spelling . . ." when I
try
to access it. Hope someone can help with these problems.

Vadim Berman said:
A-ha!

I went according to your step by step troubleshooting guide here:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibale0.htm

and on this page:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibalec1.htm
with new view <IP> it stumbles and falls with error 53.

I went to check the event log, and it says: "Unable to load
C:\Windows\System32\iprtrmgr.dll." and further "The Routing and Remote
Access service terminated with service-specific error 183 (0xB7)."

Obviously, no matter how hard I try to start Routing and Remote Access,
it
doesn't start! This must be it, right?

I wonder how I fix it though... I downloaded something called
rarepair.exe,
but it didn't help :-( .




Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Do a simple test. Can you ping each other by IP?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows
Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with
Windows
XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are
connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines.
Initially,
the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't
even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went
to
a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless
public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or
even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working
fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably
some
of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it
became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it
to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have
the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks.
Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and
tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP
machines,
but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"),
and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio
on
XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the
computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master
browser
for the domain on transport
NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
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Vadim Berman

Wait!

What about the router's firewall?

I didn't find any, but maybe it is not obvious?

Can you tell me what ports need to be open, so I can check it with NMap?



Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
If you can ping but net view receives System error 53, it could be the
firewall issue. You also mentioned you don't use any firewall. For
troubleshooting, start the safe mode with network. Can you net view it?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Vadim Berman said:
A-ha!

I went according to your step by step troubleshooting guide here:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibale0.htm

and on this page:
http://www.howtonetworking.com/Troubleshooting/notaccessibalec1.htm
with new view <IP> it stumbles and falls with error 53.

I went to check the event log, and it says: "Unable to load
C:\Windows\System32\iprtrmgr.dll." and further "The Routing and Remote
Access service terminated with service-specific error 183 (0xB7)."

Obviously, no matter how hard I try to start Routing and Remote Access,
it doesn't start! This must be it, right?

I wonder how I fix it though... I downloaded something called
rarepair.exe, but it didn't help :-( .




Robert L. (MS-MVP) said:
Do a simple test. Can you ping each other by IP?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows
Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with
Windows
XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially,
the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went
to
a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless
public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or
even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some
of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it
became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it
to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have
the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks.
Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and
tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines,
but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"),
and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio
on
XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master
browser
for the domain on transport
NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
C

Chuck [MVP]

Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with Windows XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially, the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went to a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks. Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines, but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"), and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio on XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master browser
for the domain on transport NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
Click to expand...

Hi Vadim,

Actually, browstat on \\VADIMBERMANDELL worked perfectly. It simply tells you
that you have a problem.
" Browsing is NOT active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus."
It's saying that NetBT packets are being blocked. This explains the Error 53
also.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html#NotActive>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html#NotActive

Looking at the NetConfig logs for \\VADIMBERMANDELL, we see that NetBT is
enabled and active. The best explanations for that are:
1) Firewall.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html
2) LSP / Winsock corruption.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html

Along with firewalls, I lump "router with isolation mode" which is a common
feature with newer WiFi routers. Make sure that's not active.
 
V

Vadim Berman

Hi Chuck,

Thanks a lot for replying.

With regards to browstat, I was able to change it by forcing a service to
run. Now it shows:



Status for domain BERMAN on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-81
88-8DFA3FBA2131}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: VADIMBERMANDELL
Master browser is running build 6000
1 backup servers retrieved from master VADIMBERMANDELL
\\VADIMBERMANDELL
Unable to retrieve server list from VADIMBERMANDELL: 1130

I found your note about error 1130 regarding the IRPStackSize. I played a
bit with it, going as high as 38 (0x26). No effect. Then I read this one:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285089 which refers to previous versions of
OS, not Vista - so I guess it's not relevant in my case?

I tried to fix LSP / Winsock as you described, no change.

With regards to the firewall: I think this is the case. When I ping
192.168.0.11 - I get correct response, but:
net view \\192.168.0.11
results in "System error 53". However, all of the local firewalls are
switched off. I don't use Windows Firewall, and initially its service also
wasn't running, but then, following your advice, I switched it back on, and
switched off using its interface. Nevertheless, it still has some rules
configured there. Could it be that Windows is ignoring the "off" setting for
some reason? This sounds silly, but I'm already totally lost...

The wireless router also runs a firewall though. It is D-Link DI-524. The
default rules I can't change are:

Allow: Ping WAN port WAN,* WAN,* ICMP,*
Deny: Default * -> LAN,* *,*
Allow: Default LAN,* -> *,* *,*

I added:
Allow: LAN -> * *,* *,*

It didn't help... I don't know much about the isolation mode - I didn't see
it in the configuration. I have a DMZ, but it's disabled.

Hmm... You know, I did upgrade its firmware roughly around the time when it
stopped working.

What should I be looking for? And - what ports must be open - I can try to
scan them?

Much appreciated.

Regards,
Vadim

Chuck said:
Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with Windows
XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially,
the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went to a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or
even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks.
Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines,
but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"), and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio on
XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master
browser
for the domain on transport NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
Click to expand...

Hi Vadim,

Actually, browstat on \\VADIMBERMANDELL worked perfectly. It simply tells
you
that you have a problem.
" Browsing is NOT active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus."
It's saying that NetBT packets are being blocked. This explains the Error
53
also.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html#NotActive>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html#NotActive

Looking at the NetConfig logs for \\VADIMBERMANDELL, we see that NetBT is
enabled and active. The best explanations for that are:
1) Firewall.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html
2) LSP / Winsock corruption.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html

Along with firewalls, I lump "router with isolation mode" which is a
common
feature with newer WiFi routers. Make sure that's not active.
Click to expand...
 
C

Chuck [MVP]

Chuck said:
Hi all,

I have a home office network with one new Dell laptop with Windows Vista
Home Basic which I bought a couple of weeks ago, one desktop with Windows
XP
Pro and one older laptop with Windows XP Pro. The laptops are connected
wirelessly, the desktop is using a wired Ethernet connection.

Obviously, there have been never a problem with XP machines. Initially,
the
Vista machine was also able to connect to everybody else. I didn't even
bother to look at the settings because everything worked. Then I went to a
business trip, and connected to other networks, including wireless public
ones in the airports. When I came back, I was unable to share files or
even
see other computers on the LAN. The internet connection is working fine
though. Oh yes, and I also installed a couple of updates, probably some of
those constituting Service Pack 1 as well.

When I checked the network, to my surprise, it turned out that it became
"Public" (could this be "guilt by association" - the airport wireless
networks are public, so my home network is public, too?). I changed it to
"Private". Didn't help. Checked shares, made sure that the users have the
same passwords. Ditto. I deleted the history of the airport networks.
Still
the same.

I am not using Windows Firewalls neither Symantec stuff on any of the
machines.

I went to PChuck's website at http://networking.nitecruzr.net and tweaked
the registry as he suggested, explicitly enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
disabled IPv6. Nothing. On one point I was able to see the XP machines,
but
not to browse them (I think the error was "Network name not found"), and
then it went back to square one. I switched off both firewalls (Kerio on
XP,
Comodo on Vista) - nothing. Pinging an IP works, so this is probably
something about the name resolution?

And, there was a strange event entry on one point:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer
DEVSERVER [that's an XP machine] that believes that it is the master
browser
for the domain on transport NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FBA.
The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.


I attached the logs that PChuck asked for diagnosis. As you can see,
browstat on Vista machine doesn't work.

Help is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman
Click to expand...

Hi Vadim,

Actually, browstat on \\VADIMBERMANDELL worked perfectly. It simply tells
you
that you have a problem.
" Browsing is NOT active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus."
It's saying that NetBT packets are being blocked. This explains the Error
53
also.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html#NotActive>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html#NotActive

Looking at the NetConfig logs for \\VADIMBERMANDELL, we see that NetBT is
enabled and active. The best explanations for that are:
1) Firewall.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html
2) LSP / Winsock corruption.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html

Along with firewalls, I lump "router with isolation mode" which is a
common
feature with newer WiFi routers. Make sure that's not active.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Hi Chuck,

Thanks a lot for replying.

With regards to browstat, I was able to change it by forcing a service to
run. Now it shows:



Status for domain BERMAN on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-81
88-8DFA3FBA2131}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: VADIMBERMANDELL
Master browser is running build 6000
1 backup servers retrieved from master VADIMBERMANDELL
\\VADIMBERMANDELL
Unable to retrieve server list from VADIMBERMANDELL: 1130

I found your note about error 1130 regarding the IRPStackSize. I played a
bit with it, going as high as 38 (0x26). No effect. Then I read this one:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285089 which refers to previous versions of
OS, not Vista - so I guess it's not relevant in my case?

I tried to fix LSP / Winsock as you described, no change.

With regards to the firewall: I think this is the case. When I ping
192.168.0.11 - I get correct response, but:
net view \\192.168.0.11
results in "System error 53". However, all of the local firewalls are
switched off. I don't use Windows Firewall, and initially its service also
wasn't running, but then, following your advice, I switched it back on, and
switched off using its interface. Nevertheless, it still has some rules
configured there. Could it be that Windows is ignoring the "off" setting for
some reason? This sounds silly, but I'm already totally lost...

The wireless router also runs a firewall though. It is D-Link DI-524. The
default rules I can't change are:

Allow: Ping WAN port WAN,* WAN,* ICMP,*
Deny: Default * -> LAN,* *,*
Allow: Default LAN,* -> *,* *,*

I added:
Allow: LAN -> * *,* *,*

It didn't help... I don't know much about the isolation mode - I didn't see
it in the configuration. I have a DMZ, but it's disabled.

Hmm... You know, I did upgrade its firmware roughly around the time when it
stopped working.

What should I be looking for? And - what ports must be open - I can try to
scan them?

Much appreciated.

Regards,
Vadim
Click to expand...

Vadim,

OK, to start, the firewall on the DI-524 is protecting the LAN (your individual
computers) from the WAN (the computers on the Internet). The firewall there
does nothing regarding file sharing. If a firmware upgrade is involved in the
problem, you're going to have to get another router, or maybe a switch, and
connect all of the computers to the second router / switch, to diagnose this
problem.

I'm going to keep looking at the Error 1130 though. Did you find an
IRPStackSize setting already in the registry, or did you have to add one? Did
you observe my notes about tweaking the correct one? If you add a setting, or
tweak one, what you tweak has to be the right one, and the registry key and
value name are excruciatingly precise. Get just one character wrong in the key
or value name, and it's ignored by Windows.

That may not be the only problem though. It looks like VADIMBERMANDELL has
elected itself a master browser. You have 2 other computers, yet you provided
diagnostics for only 2 of the 3 computers. You may want to involve all 3
computers.

You may also want to reread my article about the Browser, which is what we
diagnose using browstat. Browsing and WiFi present challenges, because WiFi is
not 100% reliable.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html
 
V

Vadim Berman

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for your reply.
OK, to start, the firewall on the DI-524 is protecting the LAN (your
individual
computers) from the WAN (the computers on the Internet). The firewall
there
does nothing regarding file sharing. If a firmware upgrade is involved in
the
problem, you're going to have to get another router, or maybe a switch,
and
connect all of the computers to the second router / switch, to diagnose
this
problem.
Click to expand...

Thank you for clarifying this. I guess I should leave the poor device alone
for now.
I'm going to keep looking at the Error 1130 though. Did you find an
IRPStackSize setting already in the registry, or did you have to add one?
Click to expand...

I added one.
Did
you observe my notes about tweaking the correct one? If you add a
setting, or
tweak one, what you tweak has to be the right one, and the registry key
and
value name are excruciatingly precise. Get just one character wrong in
the key
or value name, and it's ignored by Windows.
Click to expand...

I am an IT professional, and an annoyingly (for most) pedantic person :) .
But you have a good point here, no stone must be unturned. I'll show you the
registry dump:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanServer\Parameters]
"ServiceDll"=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,\
00,74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,\
73,00,72,00,76,00,73,00,76,00,63,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,00,00
"ServiceDllUnloadOnStop"=dword:00000001
"NullSessionPipes"=hex(7):6e,00,65,00,74,00,6c,00,6f,00,67,00,6f,00,6e,00,00,\
00,6c,00,73,00,61,00,72,00,70,00,63,00,00,00,73,00,61,00,6d,00,72,00,00,00,\
62,00,72,00,6f,00,77,00,73,00,65,00,72,00,00,00,00,00
"autodisconnect"=dword:0000000f
"enableforcedlogoff"=dword:00000001
"enablesecuritysignature"=dword:00000000
"requiresecuritysignature"=dword:00000000
"restrictnullsessaccess"=dword:00000001
"Lmannounce"=dword:00000000
"Size"=dword:00000001
"AdjustedNullSessionPipes"=dword:00000002
"srvcomment"="Vadim's Dell"
"Hidden"=dword:00000000
"IRPStackSize"=dword:0000000b
"Guid"=hex:8a,48,84,44,86,2b,bf,4a,87,7b,0f,b5,c4,7f,d3,9d

I didn't have the patience to restart the computer 20 times, so I first
raised it to 48 (decimal - which is 0x30), and when it didn't work, went to
11 (or 0x0B).

The NullSessionPipes are

netlogon
lsarpc
samr
browser
That may not be the only problem though. It looks like VADIMBERMANDELL
has
elected itself a master browser. You have 2 other computers, yet you
provided
diagnostics for only 2 of the 3 computers. You may want to involve all 3
computers.
Click to expand...

Well, there is one interesting thing which is fairly consistent. Usually
only 2 computers are on (but it's the same with all 3). A while after I'm
connected, the event log shows an error which looks like this:

The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer <any
of the XP machines> that believes that it is the master browser for the
domain on transport NetBT_Tcpip_{65D5631D-9BA7-4E7B-8188-8DFA3FB. The master
browser is stopping or an election is being forced.

Cute. Whoever wrote it, must be into fine literature. It is logged by an
obscure application named "bowser" (not browser).
You may also want to reread my article about the Browser, which is what we
diagnose using browstat. Browsing and WiFi present challenges, because
WiFi is
not 100% reliable.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html
Click to expand...

Hmm... I reread (hope I didn't skip anything important), and I tried to
connect the Vista laptop via a cable.

Actually, the browser service was off before I started trying to fix the
problem, it's just I switched it on.

I keep wondering if this is a death sentence to my LAN.

--
Best regards,
Vadim Berman

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www.digitalsonata.com
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