Vista and FAT32

G

Guest

I need to get a new laptop. The one I currently use has Windows 2000 dual
booted with Linux,

and I frequently use files on the Windows partition from Linux. Linux
support for NTFS is

still not fully developed, so I was wondering if it is possible to install
Vista on a FAT32

partition, or if it insists on NTFS? Presumably Vista is able to use FAT32
partitions even

if it is not possible to install on them?

Thanks,
Mark.
 
M

Malke

Mark said:
I need to get a new laptop. The one I currently use has Windows 2000 dual
booted with Linux,

and I frequently use files on the Windows partition from Linux. Linux
support for NTFS is

still not fully developed, so I was wondering if it is possible to install
Vista on a FAT32

partition, or if it insists on NTFS? Presumably Vista is able to use FAT32
partitions even

It is not possible to install Vista on FAT32 nor would you really want
to. The best way to handle shared data between Vista (and yes, XP) is by
creating a "buffer" FAT32 partition. Vista can read/write to FAT32 just
fine.


Malke
 
H

Hugh Wyn Griffith

I would not even think of putting VISTA on an existing notebook
computer. You are unlikely to find the specialized files for it.

But if you really must then check the manufacturer's website and
download the needed VISTA files -- if they are there.
 
G

Guest

Malke said:
It is not possible to install Vista on FAT32 nor would you really want
to. The best way to handle shared data between Vista (and yes, XP) is by
creating a "buffer" FAT32 partition. Vista can read/write to FAT32 just
fine.


Malke

Thanks Malke. I wondered if that would be the case. No great problem though.

Mark.
 
G

Guest

Hugh Wyn Griffith said:
I would not even think of putting VISTA on an existing notebook
computer. You are unlikely to find the specialized files for it.

But if you really must then check the manufacturer's website and
download the needed VISTA files -- if they are there.

I'm actually looking at getting a new notebook with Vista, and dual-booting
that in the same way I do with my current one. As it happens, I have obtained
a copy of Vista and installed on my current machine (IBM Thinkpad R40) so I
can experiment with it, and it seems to be working fine (albeit a little
slowly, and without the Aero interface, but I was expecting that!) I have
kept Windows 2000 on there as well for actually doing anything at a useful
speed ;o)

I will take your advice and check the manufacturer's site for updated
software and drivers though.

Thanks,
Mark.
 
H

Hugh Wyn Griffith

I'm actually looking at getting a new notebook with Vista, and dual-booting 
that in the same way I do with my current one.

Note that there are complications if you try to add an earlier version (XP or
W2K) to a machine with a later version (VISTA). I've heard that people succeed
but it is certainly not as straightforward as the reverse order.

I'm a Thinkpad man at heart -- TP701C originally and then a T20 but the latter
crawled with XP. I'd have liked one of the X series if it had the optical
drive built in and didn't cost nearly as much as my T20 did when it came out
($4000!) so I went for the end result I wanted and bought an Averatec 3715 ED1
which is only 4 lbs and has the optical drive built in. It does all I need
reasonably quickly with XP and even with "only" 512MB.

They are not built like Thinkpads but for just over $600 on sale I can live
with replacing it if that becomes necessary.
 
D

DevilsPGD

In message <[email protected]> Hugh Wyn
Griffith said:
I would not even think of putting VISTA on an existing notebook
computer. You are unlikely to find the specialized files for it.

I got Vista running on my over-two-year-old Gateway M675 without any
pain at all -- Everything but sound works out of the box, and sound
worked by installing the drivers, bypassing Gateways' installer.

Your experience will vary, as always, but it's certainly worth
investigating in many cases.
 
H

Hugh Wyn Griffith

DevilsPGD said:
but it's certainly worth investigating in many cases.

The problem with laptops is that investigating is often fatal! Absence
of Installation media, of recovery disks, and often absence of files
from the maker of the piece of equipment.

I sysop in the Compuserve LAPTOP Forum so I see the problems people are
having.
 
D

DevilsPGD

In message <[email protected]> Hugh Wyn
Griffith said:
The problem with laptops is that investigating is often fatal! Absence
of Installation media, of recovery disks, and often absence of files
from the maker of the piece of equipment.

That's true of any system.
 
P

Paul Azooza

Malke said:
It is not possible to install Vista on FAT32 nor would you really want
to. The best way to handle shared data between Vista (and yes, XP) is by
creating a "buffer" FAT32 partition. Vista can read/write to FAT32 just
fine.


Malke

Why is Windows still not able to read and write to ext2, ext3 and reiser
file systems yet. They have been around long enough.
 
W

Werner Zumwinkel

Paul said:
Why is Windows still not able to read and write to ext2, ext3 and reiser
file systems yet. They have been around long enough.

Why is Microsoft not able to include a working java interpreter on a
Vista installation?

Why is Microsoft not able to save Word Documents in Open Document Format?
 
C

Conor

Why is Windows still not able to read and write to ext2, ext3 and reiser
file systems yet. They have been around long enough.
Because they don't see the need to bother being able to write to a
minority file system.

Remember that they'd also have to get a licence to be able to do this
as well.
 
C

Conor

Why is Microsoft not able to include a working java interpreter on a
Vista installation?
Ask Sun.
Why is Microsoft not able to save Word Documents in Open Document Format?
Why would they need to when MS Word is the worlds most used Office
application?
 
M

Microsoft MVP

Because Microsoft has a small penis.

Werner Zumwinkel said:
Why is Microsoft not able to include a working java interpreter on a
Vista installation?

Why is Microsoft not able to save Word Documents in Open Document Format?
 
C

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

Why is Windows still not able to read and write to ext2, ext3 and reiser
file systems yet. They have been around long enough.

Why is Microsoft not able to include a working java interpreter on a
Vista installation?
[/QUOTE]
Ask Sun.[/QUOTE]

Also, because these are not trivial subsystems and the load of
ensuring they don't act as exploitable surfaces is one that MS would
rather not have to carry - and I'm with them on that one.
Why would they need to when MS Word is the worlds most used Office
application?

Because "de facto" standards that leverage proprietary file formats
though markey dominance are crap, and hopfully beyond the pale for an
ethical software vendor.

However, don't look for that clue from the MS Office team. Yes, they
do the right thing at times (free viewers for MS document file
formats, updates for older MS Office users so they can read the new
formats) but they just don't "get" open standards and HTML.

For example, if you "touch" an HTML file in Word (which sets itself up
as the default HTML editor), then that file becomes a special "Word
HTML" type (with special Word-y icon) and immediately blows out to
several times the original size.

This can result in this absurd situation...

A client makes heavy use of Outlook Express, including the
"stationary" feature that uses HTML to craft "rich" (bulky, slow to
download) messages that fall apart when viewed in other email apps.

Their phone number changes, so they find the HTML template file and
Edit it - which invokes Word, of course.

Word then bloats up the file and makes it a "special" file type, even
though the client did nothing other than change two characters in the
phone number text. But that's not alll...

Now OE starts to pop up safety alerts whenever one of their new
(post-edit) outgoing or sent messages is highlighted or clicked, and
others in the same organization complain the same thing happens when
they receive messages from that PC.

Some folks avoid these messages out of fear they are a malware attack
(and rightly so, IMO; just because a message is "from someone you
know" doesn't make it safe). All folks complain that these incessant
alerts make working in OE a total pain (e.g. if they transfer 30
messages from one mailbox to another, they suffer 30 alerts).

Any why is this? Because Word has added some sort of scripting or
binary content that ring heuristic alarms on a well-defended system.
All because someone changed a phone number in a sig.

"Ah, but those aren't default settings! You can 'just' relax your
security back to duhfault and it will work!" - to which the rude
answer is POAGF (or FOAD) and the polite answer is, "why should I
reduce my safety just to accomodate someone else's Word crap?"

Bear in mind that with duhfault settings, the current exploit du joir
(.ANI files that exploit to run as code when a "specially crafted"
HTML email message is (pre-)viewed) will shoot you to pieces.

So let's hear it for harder, non-default settings. Note to MS:
- support your own feature set, not just duhfaults
- keep HTML simple and generic, or get Word out of the way

-- Risk Management is the clue that asks:
"Why do I keep open buckets of petrol next to all the
ashtrays in the lounge, when I don't even have a car?"
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

Because Microsoft has a small penis.

Interesting assertion, and true, in that:
- "Microsoft" is an entity containing many people
- many of these people do not have penises
- therefore the average size would be below average

Er... what was your point again?


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