Virtual PC 2007

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mm

I went to install Virtual PC 2007 on XP Home and I got the message:

You are not running on a supported operating system. Please see
Microsoft Virtual PC help for the list of supported host operating
systems.

Yet I did install the program, to some extent, on XP Pro!!!

I've had a hard time finding the list they refer to, and at the MS
site, a hard time finding info about version 2007 or 2004. That is, I
haven't found any of that stuff. Can you folks help me?

Thanks.
 
G

Goobus

I went to install Virtual PC 2007 on XP Home and I got the message:

You are not running on a supported operating system. Please see
Microsoft Virtual PC help for the list of supported host operating
systems.

Yet I did install the program, to some extent, on XP Pro!!!

I've had a hard time finding the list they refer to, and at the MS
site, a hard time finding info about version 2007 or 2004. That is, I
haven't found any of that stuff. Can you folks help me?

Thanks.

It is supported on Windows XP SP3. Are you running SP3?
 
T

Tim Meddick

Adding to what "Goobus" wrote, concerning your XP Home's Service Pack
revision-level.

Here are the links to obtain the SP3 Service Pack for Windows XP (Home and
Pro.).


Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals
and Developers (316.4MB)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en

Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File (544.9MB)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
 
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Paul

mm said:
I went to install Virtual PC 2007 on XP Home and I got the message:

You are not running on a supported operating system. Please see
Microsoft Virtual PC help for the list of supported host operating
systems.

Yet I did install the program, to some extent, on XP Pro!!!

I've had a hard time finding the list they refer to, and at the MS
site, a hard time finding info about version 2007 or 2004. That is, I
haven't found any of that stuff. Can you folks help me?

Thanks.

There are several versions:

Original VPC 2007

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...02-3199-48A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en

(31,138KB 32 bit download)

VPC 2007 SP1 (this is probably standalone, and can be used immediately. You don't
need the previous one to use this.)

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...22-6eb8-4a09-a7f7-f6c7a1f000b5&displaylang=en

(32,481KB 32 bit download)

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...13-8D35-410F-8896-FE668F885CA0&displaylang=en

KB969896 Security patch (I don't even have that one!!!)

(Hotfix rollup package for Virtual PC 2007 Service Pack 1: February 20, 2009)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958162

(24,160KB 32 bit download)

My VPC 2007 startup times increased dramatically, after adding 958162 to SP1.
I can see some DHCP activity in my network log, while the program is starting.
Implying your startup time for the VPC 2007 program itself,
may be proportional to how many virtual machines are in your
menu. That wasn't happening with just the SP1 version.

In any case, give the SP1 download a try. Make sure the "bitness" of
the download, matches your OS. I have WinXP 32 bit and so I use the
32 bit (host) download.

In terms of VT-x support (hardware virtualization in the processor), some
processors don't have it. I tested on a system without hardware support,
and one with support, and it makes little different. Some Linux OSes crash,
due to some paravirtualization code running in the kernel. Toggling the
setting for hardware virtualization in VPC 2007 can fix that. I haven't
kept detailed records, of which OS works with which setting. It's just a
nuisance and makes no difference to performance. Any Windows OS you run,
probably won't have nearly as much trouble. Microsoft has engineered things,
so running Linux is a "second class experience". If you run Linux,
you'll be crafting custom xorg.conf files in no time :-( To get
around the "no support for 24 bit mode" problem. And the Linux people,
haven't exactly been going out of their way, to ensure their stuff
runs well in a virtual environment (sound sucks, in the distros of the
last few years - some Linux movie players are OK, others aren't, and
the virtual environment isn't helping matters).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization

Paul
 
M

mm

Sorry, Goobus and Tim, I do have SP3. My mind was on XP so I goofed up
and didn't say that. Thanks.
There are several versions:

Original VPC 2007

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...02-3199-48A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en

(31,138KB 32 bit download)

VPC 2007 SP1 (this is probably standalone, and can be used immediately. You don't
need the previous one to use this.)

The name of the file I used is MSVirtualPC2007SP1-setup.exe. I might
have renamed it a little bit but I didn't change PC2007SP1, and it's
33,260,072 bytes long and I dl'd from an MS site.

I think this is a little shorter than mine. Maybe I can finally use
my hex calculator (bought after my job responsibilities changed, and
they never changed back. :) ) Okay, I couldn't figure out how it
worked. :( Okay, I multiplied 32,481KB by 1024 and got 33,260,544,
so yours is 472 bytes bigger, but maybe that's because of rounding.

So let me try yours. Yeah, it's the very same length.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...13-8D35-410F-8896-FE668F885CA0&displaylang=en

KB969896 Security patch (I don't even have that one!!!)

(Hotfix rollup package for Virtual PC 2007 Service Pack 1: February 20, 2009)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958162

(24,160KB 32 bit download)

My VPC 2007 startup times increased dramatically, after adding 958162 to SP1.

It says: "Improvement 1
The Virtual PC 2007 support matrix is extended to include the
following SKUs:

* Windows XP Home with Service Pack 2 (SP2)
* Windows XP Home with Service Pack 3 (SP3)
* Windows Vista Home with Service Pack1 (SP1)

These additional SKUs were not supported before this hotfix. These
Home SKUs are currently supported in this hotfix rollup. Additionally,
the following SKUs are supported as guest operating systems:

* Windows XP Home with Service Pack 2 (SP2)
* Windows XP Home with Service Pack 3 (SP3)"

Does that mean without this hotifx rollup package it won't run on
XPHome Sp3?

Or do you mean, when you say it got slower, that I shouldn't install
it unless I have to?

In fact, I don't really need VM at all until I migrate to XP Pro,
where like I say, I've already installed it. I was just doing it in
advance to practice, since I didn't finish in XP Pro and didn't
understand some of the terms or what I was to do. (And the basement
is not conducive to long working sessions, so I thought I would try it
on the current machine, upstairs where it's warm and cozy and I have a
decent desk.

Maybe I should just wait until I get to xp Pro
I can see some DHCP activity in my network log, while the program is starting.
Implying your startup time for the VPC 2007 program itself,
may be proportional to how many virtual machines are in your
menu. That wasn't happening with just the SP1 version.

I expect to have only one VM in my menu, win98, at least for a long
time.
As to
In any case, give the SP1 download a try. Make sure the "bitness" of
the download, matches your OS. I have WinXP 32 bit and so I use the
32 bit (host) download.

In terms of VT-x support (hardware virtualization in the processor), some
processors don't have it. I tested on a system without hardware support,
and one with support, and it makes little different. Some Linux OSes crash,
due to some paravirtualization code running in the kernel. Toggling the
setting for hardware virtualization in VPC 2007 can fix that. I haven't
kept detailed records, of which OS works with which setting. It's just a
nuisance and makes no difference to performance. Any Windows OS you run,
probably won't have nearly as much trouble. Microsoft has engineered things,
so running Linux is a "second class experience".

If figures. That was going to be next, but by then I'll have a
separate machine for that, probably, or it's own partition, mulitboot,
no VM. Right now I need VM because it says in the computer
documentation taht it won't run win98.
If you run Linux,
you'll be crafting custom xorg.conf files in no time :-( To get
around the "no support for 24 bit mode" problem. And the Linux people,
haven't exactly been going out of their way, to ensure their stuff
runs well in a virtual environment (sound sucks, in the distros of the
last few years - some Linux movie players are OK, others aren't, and
the virtual environment isn't helping matters).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization

Paul

Thanks a lot, Paul, and Goobus and Tim.
 
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Paul

mm said:
Thanks a lot, Paul, and Goobus and Tim.

If you do get something to run, drop us a summary post.

That "improvement" section, implies the "hotfix rollup" is
a standalone version. Based on the smaller size, I figured it
was just a patch. But if we believe the "improvement" section,
that suggests it'll install on additional OSes as hosts.

The part that is slower with the hotfix rollup, is the
time it takes VPC 2007 to start. Before the hotfix, the
program menu came up, right away. After the hotfix, there
is a ~30 second delay. And I feel the delay a user experiences,
will be related to how many guest OSes are loaded into the
menu. I have quite a few. Maybe that won't be an issue for
you at first.

In terms of the performance of a guest OS, it gets to use
a single core of your processor, and might average about
90% the performance of running the same OS on your computer
natively. But this is head and shoulders, above the speed
we used to see in virtual environments. (I used to run
SoftWindows years ago, as a means of running Windows
software at work.) Virtual machines are usable now.
They used to be a joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwindows

Paul
 
M

mm

If you do get something to run, drop us a summary post.

Okay, I certainly intend to do that.
That "improvement" section, implies the "hotfix rollup" is
a standalone version. Based on the smaller size, I figured it
was just a patch. But if we believe the "improvement" section,
that suggests it'll install on additional OSes as hosts.

Maybe I'll try to install it, then.

I should have said that v. 2007SP1, that complained I had the wrong
OS, was still ready to continue the installation, but I stopped. I
don't like excess non-working software installed.

What does that mean that it said I had the wrong OS but would install
anyhow? Maybe that I could apply the a hotfix rollup patch and then
it would work?
The part that is slower with the hotfix rollup, is the
time it takes VPC 2007 to start. Before the hotfix, the
program menu came up, right away. After the hotfix, there
is a ~30 second delay. And I feel the delay a user experiences,
will be related to how many guest OSes are loaded into the
menu. I have quite a few. Maybe that won't be an issue for
you at first.

Well a one-time per session 30 seconds isn't so bad anyhow. I only
use win98 once a month now, less and less now that I've found
everything I didn't also install in XP.
 
M

MowGreen

mm said:
What does that mean that it said I had the wrong OS but would install
anyhow? Maybe that I could apply the a hotfix rollup patch and then
it would work?

Instead of stating " A Hotfix rollup is needed in order to run VPC 2007
in XP Home Edition; install VPC 2007 then install Hotfix rollup KB958162
", Microsoft decided to take the " it's the wrong OS; maybe it'll work "
approach.

It's legalese for covering one's butt, mm.

Install VPC 2007 SP1, install Hotfix rollup KB958162, and then install
the Security update, KB969896.
That is the order in which they were released.


MowGreen
================
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
================

"Security updates should *never* have *non-security content* prechecked
 
M

mm

Instead of stating " A Hotfix rollup is needed in order to run VPC 2007
in XP Home Edition; install VPC 2007 then install Hotfix rollup KB958162
", Microsoft decided to take the " it's the wrong OS; maybe it'll work "
approach.

It's legalese for covering one's butt, mm.

Install VPC 2007 SP1, install Hotfix rollup KB958162, and then install
the Security update, KB969896.
That is the order in which they were released.

Just found your post, or found it before and was thinking about it.

Thanks.

P & M if that's a real domain.
 

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