Virtual memory leading to complete collapse of all programs

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Guest

This is a long and bad one. Virtual Memory low was 1st error indicated. After
a while, all open windows and prrms stop working and automatically shutdown.
Restart wouldn't work so i have to do hard reboot. Would solve problem for a
little while but same thing reoccurs .

I upgrade to 3 gigs of Ram to solve virtual memory shortage but problem
persists. Especially bad when I click out of screen saver. Open windows are
not complete and can't be closed.

Launching Microsoft word completely freezes computer. Cannot access that
prgm anymore.

Virus?
 
G

Gerry

What are your anti-virus and anti-spyware arrangements?
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware

Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance
Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak?

How large is your hard disk and how much free space.

Do you leave the computer on 24/7?


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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This is a long and bad one. Virtual Memory low was 1st error
indicated. After a while, all open windows and prrms stop
working and automatically shutdown. Restart wouldn't work so i
have to do hard reboot. Would solve problem for a little while
but same thing reoccurs .

I upgrade to 3 gigs of Ram to solve virtual memory shortage
but problem persists. Especially bad when I click out of
screen saver. Open windows are not complete and can't be
closed.

Launching Microsoft word completely freezes computer. Cannot
access that prgm anymore.

Virus?
Malware comes in far more lethal doses than a traditional virus,
but, yes, some sort of denial of service attack may have hit your
system. Do you have a HW or SW firewall, e.g., Zone Alarm? XP is
useless here, no matter what MS marketing may hype. Also, is your
malware scanning robust enough? I assume you have a good AV, e.g.
Norton, McAfee, the free one maybe ACD or some such and I assume
you have things like Ad Aware and Spy Bot Search & Destroy. If
not, both are free, try to Google for them or get them from a
friend.

If you believe you are clean, but still in deep trouble, consider
getting something stronger. When I thought I might be getting
hacked some time back I bought Computer Associate's eTrust Pest
Patrol and found it to be very comprehensive. Luckily in my case,
my fears were unfounded but you have a real problem.

If you have upgraded to 2 or more gig memory and your
pagefile.sys is properly sized and not being corrupted somehow,
there should be no VM issues unless you are doing something truly
gigantic, e.g., processing a 12 mega pixel digital camera image.
But, you've not indicated that.

So, yes, I'd agree that your next step would be to look for
malware. Be sure to set your own Restore Points, if you can,
before you run your scans, but do NOT turn off any active malware
protection whilst you scan! The reason is that if you are
infected, the malware may partially or completely shut-down or
obfuscate your system to where you do not see what you think you
do. And, if no-brains, very low memory apps such as a screen
saver or Word won't run or run ultra-slow, then you have a
serious problem.

Incidently, I am currently talking on my wife's PC. Mine has been
in the shop since last week. I was getting periodic XP Pro
restarts for no apparent reason for a week or so, Even Viewer
said it was some bullshit error 49 which translates into a
failure to write to pagefile.sys. So, my first step was a malware
scan, which of course, was clean but the problem continued. So, I
next thought it was the early October MS updates interacting with
other updates I'd done, so I rolled my system back a week and all
was well, then the problem started again. Finally, Bang! the
whole thing literally shut itself off and wouldn't restart. I
suspected perhaps a dead CPU fan and was getting ready to pull
the case when I noticed that the case above my power supply was
almost too hot to touch. After a cool down, I did manage to get
to my BIOS setup, verified that the PS seemed OK and tried to
start Windows, but it just froze, the PC again shut itself off,
only this time it would no longer even attempt to fire up.

My techie is my nephew who's a little busy running a business and
I'm not all that inconvenienced but he thinks that my power
supply slowly fell over during the week or so I had problems,
probably at least had fluctuating voltages which may have
triggered Windows thinking it couldn't write to my HD or maybe
even read/write to memory. Hopefully, I didn't kill something in
the chipset by running the thing wounded. Bottom line for you is
at this point to try to think out-of-the-box as broadly as you
can. I've been doing this stuff for awhile and never would've
suspected a dying PS. Not saying this is your problem, it may be
something as simple as bad blocks in critical systems areas of
your HD that is confusing Windows.

BTW, you didn't mention it, so I'll assume you're not seeing any
BSOD. And, if you haven't already, take a peek at Event Viewer.
If you're not familiary with it, it is in Control Panel>
Administrative Tools.

Good luck!
 
B

Brian G

Charles said:
This is a long and bad one. Virtual Memory low was 1st error
indicated. After a while, all open windows and prrms stop working
and automatically shutdown. Restart wouldn't work so i have to do
hard reboot. Would solve problem for a little while but same thing
reoccurs .

I upgrade to 3 gigs of Ram to solve virtual memory shortage but
problem persists. Especially bad when I click out of screen saver.
Open windows are not complete and can't be closed.

Launching Microsoft word completely freezes computer. Cannot access
that prgm anymore.

Virus?

Charles,

IIRC, increasing the RAM has no effect on virtual memory - have a look at
this link for some info:

http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_can_i_fix_too_little_virtual_memory_in_windows.html
 
G

Guest

I have Norton Anti-virus, a program that also refuses to work. Not sure
about anti-spyware.

Total: 6060000 adn on the rise
limit: 7718088
Peak about mirrors the Total

C: Drive has a total of 227GB and I'm using 199

and YES, i leave it on 24/7

tx
 
J

Jim

Charles Charles said:
This is a long and bad one. Virtual Memory low was 1st error indicated.
After
a while, all open windows and prrms stop working and automatically
shutdown.
Restart wouldn't work so i have to do hard reboot. Would solve problem for
a
little while but same thing reoccurs .

I upgrade to 3 gigs of Ram to solve virtual memory shortage but problem
persists. Especially bad when I click out of screen saver. Open windows
are
not complete and can't be closed.

Launching Microsoft word completely freezes computer. Cannot access that
prgm anymore.

Virus?
When XP posts that the virtual memory is low, it means that the pagefile is
too small. Installing more RAM may help sometimes, but the real solution is
to set the pagefile size to system managed.

All of you experiences can be explained as caused by inadequate pagefile
size.

Jim
 
D

Daave

Charles Charles said:
This is a long and bad one. Virtual Memory low was 1st error
indicated. After
a while, all open windows and prrms stop working and automatically
shutdown.
Restart wouldn't work so i have to do hard reboot. Would solve problem
for a
little while but same thing reoccurs .

I upgrade to 3 gigs of Ram to solve virtual memory shortage but
problem
persists. Especially bad when I click out of screen saver. Open
windows are
not complete and can't be closed.

Launching Microsoft word completely freezes computer. Cannot access
that
prgm anymore.

Virus?

Right-click your My Computer icon and select Properties. Click on the
Advanced tab. Under Performance, click the Settings button.

In the new Performance Options window, click on the Advanced tab. And
under Virtual Memory, click on the Change button.

Jot down all the information you see and post it back for us to see.
 
A

AJR

If pgae size is system managed, adding more RAM increases size (default
setting 1.5 times RAM). Low virtual memory message is a generic message and
more often is caused by "low system resources" due to programs not releasing
resources when closed or "idling" - usually when multiple windows and
applications are running.

The following from your post may be indicative - "...all open windows and
prrms stop working ...".




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G

Gerry

Charles

You do have some problems and bad habits to tackle!

If you have recorded the Commit Charge figures correctly you are
managing to use all 3 gb RAM and are still making extensive use of
virtual memory ( the pagefile). Why are you not shutting down the
computer every 24 hours. If you have a good reason for it being on all
the time, then shutdown and restart the computer at least once every 24
hours. Why do you need to do this? Some programmes do not release memory
after use as they should do. The cumulative affect means an ever growing
reliance on virtual memory (the pagefile). When you restart the computer
this closes down all programmes forcing them to release the memory they
have been holding onto.

You should never do a hard reboot it can damage the operating system.
Use the Reset button if absolutely necessary. It does less damage.

It is essential to have a working anti-virus and an anti-spyware
protection. This link will give you thoughts to enable you to get
started:
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware

You have insufficient free disk space on your hard disk. Here are some
measures to tackle this issue.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System Restore
on your C partition which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb.
Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop and select System
Restore. Place the cursor on your C drive select Settings but this time
find the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit.
When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also select
Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More
Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore
point. Run Disk Defragmenter.

What are the main programmes you are using? Please name say six?


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 

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