Virtual ISP? Dial-up to ADSL computer?

[Fred]

I have broadband on a Win2000 machine using a Draytek router. I would like
my children, who live with their mother, to dial into my computer to access
the internet. I have two telephone lines so I can test the setup here. I
have created an "Incoming Connection" and the PCs handshake and connect.
However that's about as far as it goes and there's no internet access. I
can, however, ping the Win2000 machine from the remote PC. If I type in
"ipconfig /all" on the remote PC, the IP address is the same as the gateway
address. Is this to be expected?

I have made an number of searches on Google but found very little on this
subject. Any keywords I use tend to come back with irrelevant sites etc.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[Cyclops]

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I have broadband on a Win2000 machine using a Draytek router. I would like
my children, who live with their mother, to dial into my computer to access
the internet. I have two telephone lines so I can test the setup here. I
have created an "Incoming Connection" and the PCs handshake and connect.
However that's about as far as it goes and there's no internet access. I
can, however, ping the Win2000 machine from the remote PC. If I type in
"ipconfig /all" on the remote PC, the IP address is the same as the gateway
address. Is this to be expected?

I have made an number of searches on Google but found very little on this
subject. Any keywords I use tend to come back with irrelevant sites etc.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?

You have to use somekind of routing or NAT to do what you are attempting.

The only program I knew of, when I did something similar, that could do
what you are asking was a program called winRoute Pro as many NAT
services aren't able to bind to the Dialup Adapter as the line to share
the 'net connection and the NIC as the line the Internet comes in on.

However, I KNOW you can do this if you install a server edition of
Windows (or a linux flavor) and configure your PC as the DHCP server and
set it up as a router so that it'll route the Dialup adapter into the NIC.

Anyway, hope this helps.

You can TRY ICS that comes with Windows but I don't think it'll work for
you.
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[James Egan]

I have made an number of searches on Google but found very little on this
subject. Any keywords I use tend to come back with irrelevant sites etc.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?

It might work just by enabling routing on the win2k machine. Do this
by editing the registry as follows :-

System Key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters]
Value Name: IPEnableRouter
Data Type: REG_DWORD (DWORD Value)
Value Data: (0 = disabled, 1 = enabled)

If that doesn't work do the following :-

If the router's internal ip address is 192.168.1.1 mask 255.255.255.0
then give your win2k machine a static address of (say) 192.168.1.200
mask 255.255.255.0

As it's a static address, you will need to fill in some information on
the dns tab manually before you will be able to connect to the
Internet. Enter either the address(es) of the router or your ISP's
nameserver(s)

Give the remote machine a LAN address of 192.168.2.1 mask
255.255.255.0

Set a static route on the draytek router to send traffic for network
192.168.2.0 mask 255.255.255.0 via the 2k machine at 192.168.1.200


Jim.

 

[James Egan]

You have to use somekind of routing or NAT to do what you are attempting.

His Draytek router will do the NAT.


Jim.

 

[Fred]

I have made an number of searches on Google but found very little on this
subject. Any keywords I use tend to come back with irrelevant sites etc.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?

It might work just by enabling routing on the win2k machine. Do this
by editing the registry as follows :-

System Key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters]
Value Name: IPEnableRouter
Data Type: REG_DWORD (DWORD Value)
Value Data: (0 = disabled, 1 = enabled)

If that doesn't work do the following :-

If the router's internal ip address is 192.168.1.1 mask 255.255.255.0
then give your win2k machine a static address of (say) 192.168.1.200
mask 255.255.255.0

As it's a static address, you will need to fill in some information on
the dns tab manually before you will be able to connect to the
Internet. Enter either the address(es) of the router or your ISP's
nameserver(s)

Give the remote machine a LAN address of 192.168.2.1 mask
255.255.255.0

Set a static route on the draytek router to send traffic for network
192.168.2.0 mask 255.255.255.0 via the 2k machine at 192.168.1.200


Jim.

Many thanks for all the replies. I've given up with Win2000 and installed
WinXP. I had Win2000 server but it would let me install over Win2000 Pro
SP4 which was on this machine.

Next week or so I'll try and get it working with WinXP!

 

[James Egan]

Many thanks for all the replies. I've given up with Win2000 and installed
WinXP. I had Win2000 server but it would let me install over Win2000 Pro
SP4 which was on this machine.

Next week or so I'll try and get it working with WinXP!

With xp you can do network bridging which isn't available in earlier
versions of windows. That should make things easier.


Jim.

 

[Fred]

With xp you can do network bridging which isn't available in earlier
versions of windows. That should make things easier.


Jim.

Many thanks. Is "network bridging" a keyword I should be using. I do know
little about networks but it is rather basic. I'm rather surprised this
sort of home-isp isn't done more often.

 

[James Egan]

Many thanks. Is "network bridging" a keyword I should be using. I do know
little about networks but it is rather basic. I'm rather surprised this
sort of home-isp isn't done more often.

It means is you can link two (sub)networks without routing ie. as if
they were on the same network.


Jim.

 

[bobb]

I'm rather surprised this
sort of home-isp isn't done more often.

Now that u mention it. Most of us just sign up for a second dialup
account. Some cable provider gives u a limited dialup account for a
nominal fee. And the fact that your machine must be on for them to
access... seems like lots of hassle for $9.95. One positive I see is
that you maybe able to install a content filtering utility on your end
to limit where they can go to.

 

[Fred]

Now that u mention it. Most of us just sign up for a second dialup
account. Some cable provider gives u a limited dialup account for a
nominal fee. And the fact that your machine must be on for them to
access... seems like lots of hassle for $9.95. One positive I see is
that you maybe able to install a content filtering utility on your end
to limit where they can go to.

My machine is on for most of the time. It saves any hassle in paying my
ex's partner's phone bills!

 

[Cyclops]

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Now that u mention it. Most of us just sign up for a second dialup
account. Some cable provider gives u a limited dialup account for a
nominal fee. And the fact that your machine must be on for them to
access... seems like lots of hassle for $9.95. One positive I see is
that you maybe able to install a content filtering utility on your end
to limit where they can go to.

Not all cable providers offer limited dialup with cable. I know mine
doesn't. However, the reason that people don't do it more often is that
rather than technically get down and dirty to set it up, they'd rather
pay for something that already works.

Personally, anything that is that cheap ($9.95) like NetZero or
Netscape, I don't trust as I'm a big fan of - you get what you pay for.
Then again, I'd just setup my box as a dialup server myself like is
being suggested so perhaps my opinion isn't that norm.

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[Cyclops]

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My machine is on for most of the time. It saves any hassle in paying my
ex's partner's phone bills!

I will say, that a dialup account won't come on the phone bill, you can
sign up for what I used to use (XO communications, formerly
Concentric.net) and they are about $20 a month and have the bill sent to
you, and they have access numbers in most places. That leaves you
independant of the phone bill and in control of exactly what is being
paid for on the account.
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[bobb]

Not all cable providers offer limited dialup with cable. I know mine
doesn't. However, the reason that people don't do it more often is that
rather than technically get down and dirty to set it up, they'd rather
pay for something that already works.

if you can set up a dialup server, you are able to set up an dial up
account. Don't they have do-it-yourself kits these days?

I also want to remind you, althought I am not current on dialups...

In the ole days, 56k is only achieved residence-to-ISP.
Residence-to-residence is back down to 33.3k. Can anyone confirm
whether this is still the case?

 

[Fred]

if you can set up a dialup server, you are able to set up an dial up
account. Don't they have do-it-yourself kits these days?

I also want to remind you, althought I am not current on dialups...

In the ole days, 56k is only achieved residence-to-ISP.
Residence-to-residence is back down to 33.3k. Can anyone confirm
whether this is still the case?

I was getting 24k. But it's better than nothing!

 

[Fred]

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I will say, that a dialup account won't come on the phone bill, you can
sign up for what I used to use (XO communications, formerly
Concentric.net) and they are about $20 a month and have the bill sent to
you, and they have access numbers in most places. That leaves you
independant of the phone bill and in control of exactly what is being
paid for on the account.

I'm in the UK and yes I am aware that I could pay for a dial-up a/c. I'm
not sure if I want to pay that much every month for a service which may not
get used a lot. We have pay as you go schemes as well.

 

[Cyclops]

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if you can set up a dialup server, you are able to set up an dial up
account. Don't they have do-it-yourself kits these days?

I also want to remind you, althought I am not current on dialups...

In the ole days, 56k is only achieved residence-to-ISP.
Residence-to-residence is back down to 33.3k. Can anyone confirm
whether this is still the case?

One end has to be fully digital to do 56k, usually the ISP.
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[David]

if you can set up a dialup server, you are able to set up an dial up
account. Don't they have do-it-yourself kits these days?

I also want to remind you, althought I am not current on dialups...

In the ole days, 56k is only achieved residence-to-ISP.
Residence-to-residence is back down to 33.3k. Can anyone confirm
whether this is still the case?

Actually the 56K was ISP to residence. Residence to ISP is 33.6 or
less.

 

[Cyclops]

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Actually the 56K was ISP to residence. Residence to ISP is 33.6 or
less.

And you are wrong, because the ISP's don't call your residence, you call
them. So, you have to call someone who has a digital line to get 56k
service, now if you are talking upstream vs. downstream, you're wrong
again as Upstream to your ISP with a 56k connection was 44.4k (limited
by FCC).
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[David]

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And you are wrong, because the ISP's don't call your residence, you call
them. So, you have to call someone who has a digital line to get 56k
service, now if you are talking upstream vs. downstream, you're wrong
again as Upstream to your ISP with a 56k connection was 44.4k (limited
by FCC).

Perhaps you should read the manual that came with your 56K modem
sometime.

 

[Cyclops]

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Perhaps you should read the manual that came with your 56K modem
sometime.

I'm not going to argue with you.
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