very slow

G

Glenn

My son's laptop has become really slow, Win Vista Home, Acer laptop, I have
checked as much as i can for him, It boots up although a little slow, whaen
you click on anything ,a program, start menu, control panel, etc ,anything,
they open really slowly sometimes stopping altogether, clean out any
spyware, temp files anything to speed it up but still nothing, any ideas
please
Thamks
Glenn
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

My son's laptop has become really slow, Win Vista Home, Acer laptop, I have
checked as much as i can for him, It boots up although a little slow, whaen
you click on anything ,a program, start menu, control panel, etc ,anything,
they open really slowly sometimes stopping altogether, clean out any
spyware, temp files anything to speed it up but still nothing, any ideas
please


There's no way I can know for sure, of course, but probably the most
likely cause these days is malware infection. What anti-virus and
anti-spyware programs does he run? Are they kept up to date?
 
W

webster72n

Ken Blake said:
There's no way I can know for sure, of course, but probably the most
likely cause these days is malware infection. What anti-virus and
anti-spyware programs does he run? Are they kept up to date?

Those were the first thoughts coming to my mind and I fully agree with the
above.
Therefore we need the answer to those two questions.

Harry.
 
P

Peter W.

Dave-UK said:
Have you looked in Task Manager to see if anything is using the CPU a lot
?

yes, my idea, probably a virusscan, backup or defragmention going on? Turn
automatic/daily off.
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Glenn said:
My son's laptop has become really slow, Win Vista Home, Acer
laptop, I have checked as much as i can for him, It boots up
although a little slow, whaen you click on anything ,a program,
start menu, control panel, etc ,anything, they open really slowly
sometimes stopping altogether, clean out any spyware, temp files
anything to speed it up but still nothing, any ideas please

Specifications of laptop?
- Model?
- CPU installed (Name Brand, Speed, Single *and* Dual or Quad Core?)
- Amount of System Memory (RAM) - and is it shared with the Video Device?
- Information for the Video Device (Amount of RAM - either it uses from a
shared source or what it has on its own; usually Intel, nVidia or ATI - but
also need the model...)
- Type of hard drive (Make/Model would be great but just disk or solid
state would be helpful as well.)

If you don't know that - you should download, installa and run the FREE
Belarc Advisor application: http://belarc.com/Programs/advisor.exe
(It will tell you all I asked for in general terms and more. I would print
out the results - you may need it if this machine requires a rebuild from
scratch.)

Windows Vista Home ______ __-bit? (Basic 32-bit, Basic 64-bit, Premium
32-bit or Premium 64-bit?

What service pack is installed? (If anything other than Service Pack 2 -
after you perform my cleanup steps and the backup(s) - you will want to get
SP2 for Windows Vista installed. If nothing else, it *did* increase the
perceptual speed of the OS for many people.)

If you don't know how to get that information:

Start button --> RUN --> type in:
(No "RUN", press the WindowsKey+R at the same time.)
winver
--> Click OK.

That will give you (picture at top) the full name of the operating system.
That will give you (in the test) the Service Pack you have installed.

How to determine whether a computer is running a 32-bit version or 64-bit
version of the Windows operating system
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827218


- How is the hard drive partitioned (single partition, multiple
partitions)?
- How much free space is available on the partition designated as the
"System" partition - usually C:\ - where the operating system is installed?


My advice is fairly simple and straight forward and should help in any
case - although it may not fix your issue if it is a deeper one - it will
eliminate *many* possible issues.

1) Backup everything of importance. Best bet - some sort of full drive
image or complete "bare metal restoration capable" backup. If you have no
backup for this machine - a $99 U.S. investment into a Seagate Replica
external USB drive (500GB version) is well worth it for its ease of use,
multiple computer capability and the fact it can be used for daily and bare
metal restorable backups with no real knowledge needed on your part. Or you
can use various software packages and external drives to accomplish the same
thing.

2) Uninstall any and all unused/unnecessary programs. Just use the proper
method for the given program to remove it. Only remove applications you
*know* you and your son do not need.

3) If any version of Norton or McAfee antivirus or full Internet Protection
type suite is installed - uninstall it. __After__ it is uninstalled by
whatever means presented - download and run their respective removal tools
to make sure all evidence/leftovers from their prior installation is gone.

If you do remove a Norton or McAfee antivirus/suite product - please do
immediately install something else. Avira AntiVir is good and FREE. eSet
NOD32 is great (just the antivirus, no need for the entire suite) and fairly
inexpensive. Either option is preferrable (IMO) than Norton/McAfee.

Norton Removal Tool:
http://service1.symantec.com/support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039

McAfee Removal Tool:
http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=TS100507

Avira AntiVir:
http://www.free-av.de/en/trialpay_download/1/avira_antivir_personal__free_antivirus.html

eSet NOD32:
http://www.eset.com/home/nod32-antivirus

4) Do some drive cleanup. You should use the Disk Cleanup tool built in,
empty the Internet Explorer Temporary Internet Files and the likes, turn off
Hibernate and delete that file for now and use something like CCleaner after
that to clean up all other remnants of temprary and other such files.

Want a few more details?

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Delete-files-using-Disk-Cleanup You can turn off hibernation... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920730 You can control how much space your System Restore can use... http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspacev.html (I suggest 2GB.) Temporary Internet Explorer Files/Cache... http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htmYou can use an application that scans your system for log files andtemporary files and use that to get rid of those: Ccleaner (Free!) http://www.ccleaner.com/Other ways to free up space.. JDiskReport http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html SequoiaView http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.5) Now that you have cleaned up stale files, you should do a full CHKDSK onthe drive. This will require a reboot to check the system drive.http://maximumpcguides.com/windows-vista/how-to-use-check-disk-in-windows-vista/6) Now that you have checked (and hopefully found no errors) the drive - youshould perform a full defragmentation. I suggest Defraggler. It'll takesome time - but should be well worth it.http://www.piriform.com/defraggler7) Now that your drive is free of excess baggage, your antivirus product isnot overly taxing and it is somewhat straightened up/in order - I suggestperforming the following steps to minimize the chance you have any malwarefloating about:Reboot and logon as administrative user.Download, install, run, update and perform a full scan with the following(freeware version):SuperAntiSpywarehttp://www.superantispyware.com/Reboot and logon as administrative user.Download, install, run, update and perform a full scan with the following(freeware version):MalwareByteshttp://www.malwarebytes.com/Reboot and logon as administrative user.Download and run the MSRT manually:http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspxThat will all but guarantee you are malware free (at least for the commonand nastiest known stuff.)Reboot and logon as administrative user.8) Update the hardware device drivers from the respective hardware devicemanufacturers. In your case - I would use the Make/Model first to visit thelaptop manufacturer's web page and get their supported drivers for your OS.Especially the motherboard chipset, video/display device, network device(s)and audio device. If you need help with this step - come back and let usknow.Those are my suggestions - in the order I suggest doing them in fromt hebeginning of my response on. It may seem long - but a lot of it should havebeen done in a periodic basis as it is - and should continue being done in aperiodic basis. If you get back to this posting and respond with theinformation I have requested and give the result of each suggestion I madein the order I made it - and still need help - someone may suggest acomplete wipe of the system. Obviously there is something deeper wrong withit (maybe a rootkit, maybe a corrupt file/folder due to a buminstall/uninstall, etc) and even though the above seemed long - it isnothing in comparision to troubleshooting such things and it is oftenpreferrable to just start fresh and restore the wanted fiules you createdfrom backups.Good luck - but in any case - PLEASE do come back and let us know how yougot on...--Shenan Stanley MS-MVP--How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Shenan Stanley wrote:
<snipped>

<formatting repair attempt>
I noticed my formatting did not go through on the latter half of the
posting. That can make it very difficult to read. Therefore - this is my
first attempt at fixing that issue.


Specifications of laptop?
- Model?
- CPU installed (Name Brand, Speed, Single *and* Dual or Quad Core?)
- Amount of System Memory (RAM) - and is it shared with the Video Device?
- Information for the Video Device (Amount of RAM - either it uses from a
shared source or what it has on its own; usually Intel, nVidia or ATI - but
also need the model...)
- Type of hard drive (Make/Model would be great but just disk or solid
state would be helpful as well.)

If you don't know that - you should download, installa and run the FREE
Belarc Advisor application: http://belarc.com/Programs/advisor.exe
(It will tell you all I asked for in general terms and more. I would print
out the results - you may need it if this machine requires a rebuild from
scratch.)

Windows Vista Home ______ __-bit? (Basic 32-bit, Basic 64-bit, Premium
32-bit or Premium 64-bit?

What service pack is installed? (If anything other than Service Pack 2 -
after you perform my cleanup steps and the backup(s) - you will want to get
SP2 for Windows Vista installed. If nothing else, it *did* increase the
perceptual speed of the OS for many people.)

If you don't know how to get that information:

Start button --> RUN --> type in:
(No "RUN", press the WindowsKey+R at the same time.)
winver
--> Click OK.

That will give you (picture at top) the full name of the operating system.
That will give you (in the test) the Service Pack you have installed.

How to determine whether a computer is running a 32-bit version or 64-bit
version of the Windows operating system
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827218


- How is the hard drive partitioned (single partition, multiple
partitions)?
- How much free space is available on the partition designated as the
"System" partition - usually C:\ - where the operating system is installed?


My advice is fairly simple and straight forward and should help in any
case - although it may not fix your issue if it is a deeper one - it will
eliminate *many* possible issues.

1) Backup everything of importance. Best bet - some sort of full drive
image or complete "bare metal restoration capable" backup. If you have no
backup for this machine - a $99 U.S. investment into a Seagate Replica
external USB drive (500GB version) is well worth it for its ease of use,
multiple computer capability and the fact it can be used for daily and bare
metal restorable backups with no real knowledge needed on your part. Or you
can use various software packages and external drives to accomplish the same
thing.

2) Uninstall any and all unused/unnecessary programs. Just use the proper
method for the given program to remove it. Only remove applications you
*know* you and your son do not need.

3) If any version of Norton or McAfee antivirus or full Internet Protection
type suite is installed - uninstall it. __After__ it is uninstalled by
whatever means presented - download and run their respective removal tools
to make sure all evidence/leftovers from their prior installation is gone.

If you do remove a Norton or McAfee antivirus/suite product - please do
immediately install something else. Avira AntiVir is good and FREE. eSet
NOD32 is great (just the antivirus, no need for the entire suite) and fairly
inexpensive. Either option is preferrable (IMO) than Norton/McAfee.

Norton Removal Tool:
http://service1.symantec.com/support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039

McAfee Removal Tool:
http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=TS100507

Avira AntiVir:
http://www.free-av.de/en/trialpay_download/1/avira_antivir_personal__free_antivirus.html

eSet NOD32:
http://www.eset.com/home/nod32-antivirus

4) Do some drive cleanup. You should use the Disk Cleanup tool built in,
empty the Internet Explorer Temporary Internet Files and the likes, turn off
Hibernate and delete that file for now and use something like CCleaner after
that to clean up all other remnants of temprary and other such files.

Want a few more details?

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Delete-files-using-Disk-Cleanup

You can turn off hibernation...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920730

You can control how much space your System Restore can use...
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspacev.html
(I suggest 2GB.)

Temporary Internet Explorer Files/Cache...
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm

You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
temporary files and use that to get rid of those:
Ccleaner (Free!) http://www.ccleaner.com/

Other ways to free up space..

JDiskReport
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html

SequoiaView
http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/

Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.

5) Now that you have cleaned up stale files, you should do a full CHKDSK on
the drive. This will require a reboot to check the system drive.

http://maximumpcguides.com/windows-vista/how-to-use-check-disk-in-windows-vista/

6) Now that you have checked (and hopefully found no errors) the drive - you
should perform a full defragmentation. I suggest Defraggler. It'll take
some time - but should be well worth it.

http://www.piriform.com/defraggler

7) Now that your drive is free of excess baggage, your antivirus product is
not overly taxing and it is somewhat straightened up/in order - I suggest
performing the following steps to minimize the chance you have any malware
floating about:

Reboot and logon as administrative user.

Download, install, run, update and perform a full scan with the following
(freeware version):

SuperAntiSpyware
http://www.superantispyware.com/

Reboot and logon as administrative user.

Download, install, run, update and perform a full scan with the following
(freeware version):

MalwareBytes
http://www.malwarebytes.com/

Reboot and logon as administrative user.

Download and run the MSRT manually:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx

That will all but guarantee you are malware free (at least for the common
and nastiest known stuff.)

Reboot and logon as administrative user.

8) Update the hardware device drivers from the respective hardware device
manufacturers. In your case - I would use the Make/Model first to visit the
laptop manufacturer's web page and get their supported drivers for your OS.
Especially the motherboard chipset, video/display device, network device(s)
and audio device.

If you need help with this step - come back and let us know.


Those are my suggestions - in the order I suggest doing them in from
thebeginning of my response on. It may seem long - but a lot of it should
have
been done in a periodic basis as it is - and should continue being done in a
periodic basis. If you get back to this posting and respond with the
information I have requested and give the result of each suggestion I made
in the order I made it - and still need help - someone may suggest a
complete wipe of the system. Obviously there is something deeper wrong with
it (maybe a rootkit, maybe a corrupt file/folder due to a bum
install/uninstall, etc) and even though the above seemed long - it is
nothing in comparision to troubleshooting such things and it is often
preferrable to just start fresh and restore the wanted fiules you created
from backups.

Good luck - but in any case - PLEASE do come back and let us know how you
got on...
</formatting repair attempt>
 
G

Glenn

Shenan Stanley said:
Shenan Stanley wrote:
<snipped>

<formatting repair attempt>
I noticed my formatting did not go through on the latter half of the
posting. That can make it very difficult to read. Therefore - this is my
first attempt at fixing that issue.


Specifications of laptop?
- Model?
- CPU installed (Name Brand, Speed, Single *and* Dual or Quad Core?)
- Amount of System Memory (RAM) - and is it shared with the Video Device?
- Information for the Video Device (Amount of RAM - either it uses from a
shared source or what it has on its own; usually Intel, nVidia or ATI -
but
also need the model...)
- Type of hard drive (Make/Model would be great but just disk or solid
state would be helpful as well.)

If you don't know that - you should download, installa and run the FREE
Belarc Advisor application: http://belarc.com/Programs/advisor.exe
(It will tell you all I asked for in general terms and more. I would
print
out the results - you may need it if this machine requires a rebuild from
scratch.)

Windows Vista Home ______ __-bit? (Basic 32-bit, Basic 64-bit, Premium
32-bit or Premium 64-bit?

What service pack is installed? (If anything other than Service Pack 2 -
after you perform my cleanup steps and the backup(s) - you will want to
get
SP2 for Windows Vista installed. If nothing else, it *did* increase the
perceptual speed of the OS for many people.)

If you don't know how to get that information:

Start button --> RUN --> type in:
(No "RUN", press the WindowsKey+R at the same time.)
winver
--> Click OK.

That will give you (picture at top) the full name of the operating system.
That will give you (in the test) the Service Pack you have installed.

How to determine whether a computer is running a 32-bit version or 64-bit
version of the Windows operating system
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827218


- How is the hard drive partitioned (single partition, multiple
partitions)?
- How much free space is available on the partition designated as the
"System" partition - usually C:\ - where the operating system is
installed?


My advice is fairly simple and straight forward and should help in any
case - although it may not fix your issue if it is a deeper one - it will
eliminate *many* possible issues.

1) Backup everything of importance. Best bet - some sort of full drive
image or complete "bare metal restoration capable" backup. If you have no
backup for this machine - a $99 U.S. investment into a Seagate Replica
external USB drive (500GB version) is well worth it for its ease of use,
multiple computer capability and the fact it can be used for daily and
bare
metal restorable backups with no real knowledge needed on your part. Or
you
can use various software packages and external drives to accomplish the
same
thing.

2) Uninstall any and all unused/unnecessary programs. Just use the proper
method for the given program to remove it. Only remove applications you
*know* you and your son do not need.

3) If any version of Norton or McAfee antivirus or full Internet
Protection
type suite is installed - uninstall it. __After__ it is uninstalled by
whatever means presented - download and run their respective removal tools
to make sure all evidence/leftovers from their prior installation is gone.

If you do remove a Norton or McAfee antivirus/suite product - please do
immediately install something else. Avira AntiVir is good and FREE. eSet
NOD32 is great (just the antivirus, no need for the entire suite) and
fairly
inexpensive. Either option is preferrable (IMO) than Norton/McAfee.

Norton Removal Tool:
http://service1.symantec.com/support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039

McAfee Removal Tool:
http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=TS100507

Avira AntiVir:
http://www.free-av.de/en/trialpay_download/1/avira_antivir_personal__free_antivirus.html

eSet NOD32:
http://www.eset.com/home/nod32-antivirus

4) Do some drive cleanup. You should use the Disk Cleanup tool built in,
empty the Internet Explorer Temporary Internet Files and the likes, turn
off
Hibernate and delete that file for now and use something like CCleaner
after
that to clean up all other remnants of temprary and other such files.

Want a few more details?

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Delete-files-using-Disk-Cleanup

You can turn off hibernation...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920730

You can control how much space your System Restore can use...
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspacev.html
(I suggest 2GB.)

Temporary Internet Explorer Files/Cache...
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm

You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
temporary files and use that to get rid of those:
Ccleaner (Free!) http://www.ccleaner.com/

Other ways to free up space..

JDiskReport
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html

SequoiaView
http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/

Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.

5) Now that you have cleaned up stale files, you should do a full CHKDSK
on
the drive. This will require a reboot to check the system drive.

http://maximumpcguides.com/windows-vista/how-to-use-check-disk-in-windows-vista/

6) Now that you have checked (and hopefully found no errors) the drive -
you
should perform a full defragmentation. I suggest Defraggler. It'll take
some time - but should be well worth it.

http://www.piriform.com/defraggler

7) Now that your drive is free of excess baggage, your antivirus product
is
not overly taxing and it is somewhat straightened up/in order - I suggest
performing the following steps to minimize the chance you have any malware
floating about:

Reboot and logon as administrative user.

Download, install, run, update and perform a full scan with the following
(freeware version):

SuperAntiSpyware
http://www.superantispyware.com/

Reboot and logon as administrative user.

Download, install, run, update and perform a full scan with the following
(freeware version):

MalwareBytes
http://www.malwarebytes.com/

Reboot and logon as administrative user.

Download and run the MSRT manually:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx

That will all but guarantee you are malware free (at least for the common
and nastiest known stuff.)

Reboot and logon as administrative user.

8) Update the hardware device drivers from the respective hardware device
manufacturers. In your case - I would use the Make/Model first to visit
the
laptop manufacturer's web page and get their supported drivers for your
OS.
Especially the motherboard chipset, video/display device, network
device(s)
and audio device.

If you need help with this step - come back and let us know.


Those are my suggestions - in the order I suggest doing them in from
thebeginning of my response on. It may seem long - but a lot of it should
have
been done in a periodic basis as it is - and should continue being done in
a
periodic basis. If you get back to this posting and respond with the
information I have requested and give the result of each suggestion I made
in the order I made it - and still need help - someone may suggest a
complete wipe of the system. Obviously there is something deeper wrong
with
it (maybe a rootkit, maybe a corrupt file/folder due to a bum
install/uninstall, etc) and even though the above seemed long - it is
nothing in comparision to troubleshooting such things and it is often
preferrable to just start fresh and restore the wanted fiules you created
from backups.

Good luck - but in any case - PLEASE do come back and let us know how you
got on...
</formatting repair attempt>


Wow, lots of things to try, thanks all ,will have a go then let you know
Glenn
 
J

Jimmy

I have had 3 kids and my sister in law has 5. I have come to learn what
they all have in common when it comes to computers these days. They know
everything, they will download and install everything, they will use
Limewire and other crap against your best wishes, and finally the only way I
found to fix a kids computer is to scrub it clean and start over. It takes
hours to fix a kids computer. If I knew how I would create an image of
their computers on a USB hard drive and keep it safe. Then format their
hard drive and restore it. (Now I know there are kids out there with the
gift, but parents would not have to fix their computers would they?)
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Jimmy said:
I have had 3 kids and my sister in law has 5. I have come to learn
what they all have in common when it comes to computers these days.
They know everything, they will download and install everything,
they will use Limewire and other crap against your best wishes, and
finally the only way I found to fix a kids computer is to scrub it
clean and start over. It takes hours to fix a kids computer. If I
knew how I would create an image of their computers on a USB hard
drive and keep it safe. Then format their hard drive and restore
it. (Now I know there are kids out there with the gift, but
parents would not have to fix their computers would they?)

Get a Seagate Replica 500GB. After you cleanly install and before handing
it over - allow the Replica to do its job. When the machine dies - use the
replica to restore to the state prior, perform necessary application updates
(since the replica is undoubtedly older than a couple of hours then) and
then make a new replica and return the machine to the battle. Rinse and
repeat as necessary. (Pages 9 & 10 of the user guide:
http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/seagate_external/SEAGATE_REPLICA_USER_GUIDE.pdf)

Use something like Acronis TrueImage to do something similar to drive(s) you
already have.

Look through this list of software:
http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
 

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