using the tilde with n like in spanish

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azteca

I am using a notebook with vista and I cannot get the tilde over the n to
make the spanish letter. On other computers in the past I was able to type
ALT+164 and it would do it, but that is no working. I don't know if this is a
notebook issue or a vista issue. Can anyone help me out? Thanks!
 
J

Joseph Meehan

azteca said:
I am using a notebook with vista and I cannot get the tilde over the n to
make the spanish letter. On other computers in the past I was able to type
ALT+164 and it would do it, but that is no working. I don't know if this
is a
notebook issue or a vista issue. Can anyone help me out? Thanks!


Make sure the font you are using has the " ñ " in it.
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

You need to enable Numlock before the Alt+164 sequence.


--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows System & Performance

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I am using a notebook with vista and I cannot get the tilde over the n to
make the spanish letter. On other computers in the past I was able to type
ALT+164 and it would do it, but that is no working. I don't know if this is a
notebook issue or a vista issue. Can anyone help me out? Thanks!
 
A

Alias

azteca said:
I am using a notebook with vista and I cannot get the tilde over the n to
make the spanish letter. On other computers in the past I was able to type
ALT+164 and it would do it, but that is no working. I don't know if this is a
notebook issue or a vista issue. Can anyone help me out? Thanks!

Try doing it the right way and add Spanish to your keyboard and stop
messing around with ALT+some weird code. Then you can type ñ,ç,á, º
ª and €.

Alias
 
T

Tim Slattery

azteca said:
I am using a notebook with vista and I cannot get the tilde over the n to
make the spanish letter. On other computers in the past I was able to type
ALT+164 and it would do it, but that is no working. I don't know if this is a
notebook issue or a vista issue. Can anyone help me out? Thanks!

That works when you type the 164 on the numeric keypad, not the top
row of keys. Laptops generally have a numeric keypad superimposed on
the normal keypad, and you toggle the keyboard by hitting Fn+Numeric
(or something like that).

You might be better off bringing up the Character map (All
Programs|Accessories|System Tools|Character Map - I'm at an XP
computer, so I may a bit off on the location), find the ñ character
there, and copy and paste.
 
S

Synapse Syndrome

azteca said:
I am using a notebook with vista and I cannot get the tilde over the n to
make the spanish letter. On other computers in the past I was able to type
ALT+164 and it would do it, but that is no working. I don't know if this
is a
notebook issue or a vista issue. Can anyone help me out? Thanks!


If you do not want to use a keymap that is different to the keyboard you
have, you could try adding ñ to the keymap that you are currently using by
customising it.

I'd suggest adding it to AltGr + N.

Try using this to do it:
http://webpages.charter.net:80/krumsick/

Tell me if this works in Vista, as I have not tried it.

ss.
 
C

Charlie42

Synapse Syndrome said:
If you do not want to use a keymap that is different to the keyboard you
have, you could try adding ñ to the keymap that you are currently using by
customising it.

Why not just use the tilde that is already on the keyboard? On English
layout keyboards, hold down AltGr and press the key with ~ on it, next press
n. Btw, this works with any letter you like to have a tilde on.

Charlie42
 
S

Synapse Syndrome

Charlie42 said:
Why not just use the tilde that is already on the keyboard? On English
layout keyboards, hold down AltGr and press the key with ~ on it, next
press n. Btw, this works with any letter you like to have a tilde on.


That does not appear to work on my XP laptop (UK Keyboard).

ss.
 
C

Charlie42

Synapse Syndrome said:
That does not appear to work on my XP laptop (UK Keyboard).

That is strange, it has worked on all my keyboards - including the English
ones - since Win95, I believe.

Charlie42
 
S

Synapse Syndrome

Charlie42 said:
That is strange, it has worked on all my keyboards - including the English
ones - since Win95, I believe.

There are different types of English keyboards. The tilde key is in a
completely different place on UK ones. They have L shaped Return keys, and
the \ key is inbetween SHIFT and Z.

That might have something to do with it, but I have never noticed that
behaviour on any UK keyboards that I have used. You can get accented
vowels, when using the AltGr key though. Mac keyboards have got an elegant
way to get accents while pressing the Option key.

ss.
 
A

Alias

Synapse said:
There are different types of English keyboards. The tilde key is in a
completely different place on UK ones. They have L shaped Return keys, and
the \ key is inbetween SHIFT and Z.

That might have something to do with it, but I have never noticed that
behaviour on any UK keyboards that I have used. You can get accented
vowels, when using the AltGr key though. Mac keyboards have got an elegant
way to get accents while pressing the Option key.

ss.

With Ubuntu, I press the Win key and switch between English and Spanish
keyboards. With Windows, I use Alt+Shift to change between keyboards.

Alias
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

I am using a notebook with vista and I cannot get the tilde over the n to
make the spanish letter. On other computers in the past I was able to type
ALT+164 and it would do it, but that is no working. I don't know if this is a
notebook issue or a vista issue. Can anyone help me out? Thanks!


It works fine here. Make sure you've turned numlock on first.

But I do it differently. I use and recommend a little freeware
background program called AllChars. This lets me type many common
special characters (many of these are used in other languages) by
pressing the ctrl key followed by a two character mnemonic
combination.

For example, for ñ the two characters are ~ and n. For ç it's c and ,
For ü it's u and "

I find this much easier than trying to remember alt-numkey
combinations.

Go to http://allchars.zwolnet.com/
 
C

Charlie42

Synapse Syndrome said:
There are different types of English keyboards. The tilde key is in a
completely different place on UK ones. They have L shaped Return keys,
and the \ key is inbetween SHIFT and Z.

My English keyboards are US English, but my European ones all have the L
shaped return with the tilde placed to it's left, above the Shift key. I do
not know if that explains it, though...

Charlie42
 
B

Bill Yanaire

Alias said:
With Ubuntu, I press the Win key and switch between English and Spanish
keyboards. With Windows, I use Alt+Shift to change between keyboards.

Alias

With Ubuntu you can go to the Ubuntu group and help out those people who
can't figure it out. Just think, that might make you busy enough to stop
coming here!
 
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Alias

Bill said:
With Ubuntu you can go to the Ubuntu group and help out those people who
can't figure it out. Just think, that might make you busy enough to stop
coming here!

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Alias
 
C

CWLee

Charlie42 said:
Why not just use the tilde that is already on the
keyboard? On English layout keyboards, hold down AltGr and
press the key with ~ on it, next press n.

I'm ignorant about some of the keys on my keyboard. I don't
know what you mean by AltGr I do know about the Alt key,
but it is the Gr part I don't understand. I have a pretty
standard HP keyboard that came with my recent purchase of a
new HP computer.

Leaving the tilde question, if anyone wants to further my
education can you tell me what these keys are for:

1. Upper left of keyboard, circular key with a crescent
moon in it.

2. Lower left and right, two keys containing the Windows
logo.

3. Lower right, below the shift key, a key with a rectangle
and an arrow on it.

4. Across the top, 12 keys lettered F1, F2, F3, etc.

Thanks.
 
S

Synapse Syndrome

CWLee said:
I'm ignorant about some of the keys on my keyboard. I don't know what you
mean by AltGr I do know about the Alt key, but it is the Gr part I
don't understand. I have a pretty standard HP keyboard that came with my
recent purchase of a new HP computer.

AltGr is the Alt key to the right of the SPACEBAR.

Apparently, it stands for Alt Graphics, but I remember the right Alt key was
printed in green on the early IBM AT keyboards, so I presonally think that
it might stand for AltGreen. The AltGr key acts like pressing left Alt +
Ctrl together.

Leaving the tilde question, if anyone wants to further my education can
you tell me what these keys are for:

1. Upper left of keyboard, circular key with a crescent moon in it.

That's not a standard button. It will make the computer go to Standby
usually, if you have the correct keyboard drivers installed.

2. Lower left and right, two keys containing the Windows logo.

Windows Key (or WinKey), used for various Windows shorcuts.
3. Lower right, below the shift key, a key with a rectangle and an arrow
on it.

Context Menu key. It's the same as pressing the right mouse button.
4. Across the top, 12 keys lettered F1, F2, F3, etc.

Function Keys. They do different things in different applications. F1
almost always takes you to HELP in whatever application you are using.

ss.
 
S

Synapse Syndrome

Synapse Syndrome said:
AltGr is the Alt key to the right of the SPACEBAR.

Apparently, it stands for Alt Graphics, but I remember the right Alt key
was printed in green on the early IBM AT keyboards, so I presonally think
that it might stand for AltGreen. The AltGr key acts like pressing left
Alt + Ctrl together.

I was about to add this Alt Green possibility to the discussion page for
AltGr on Wikipedia, but it looks like they have added this to the main page
since I last read that page, maybe two or three years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AltGr_key

ss.
 
M

Mark L. Ferguson

High quality post, S. Makes me have hope that 'living too long' has some
justification :/
 
S

Synapse Syndrome

Mark L. Ferguson said:
High quality post, S. Makes me have hope that 'living too long' has some
justification :/


I use Usenet and Wikipedia as a release for useless trivia, and less
exciting anecdotes as otherwise I might tell people in real life, and then I
get strange looks, or told to shut up.

ss.
 

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