Using DWT, Frontpage can't see folders and files


G

Guest

I had a perfectly good website using Frontpage, and utilizing shared borders.
Worked fine for many months. It's an association site, and the boss wanted a
"facelift". Doing so, I got rid of the SB and created a dynamic web
template, then attached it to all my pages, while at the same time editing
the font sizes, etc., on most of the pages (in the "Body" section). I did
this on my hard disk "back-up" of the site, so as not to screw up the actual
website with experimentation (rare foresight on my part).

Initially, this worked fine on the first twenty pages or so. But after
shutting down for the night, and restarting the next day I have a problem.
Now, when I try to go to my hard disk back up and try to open the files in
Frontpage, FP can't see any files or folders. I can open a file, i.e.
index.htm, in Internet Explorer, then click on "Edit with Frontpage", and it
will open for editing, but Folders view is empty, and FP tells me there are
no files in the folder.

So far, I have updated almost all the other pages in this way, but its a
tedious, slow process. Open a page in IE, go to "Edit with FP", do my
editing, attach the dwt, save it, then back to IE for the next page.
Ble-e-a-a-h.

If I go into FP, then try to open the back-up, FP sees nothing, as if there
was an empty folder on the hard drive.

FP seems to work fine when working with my website on-line, but I can't
publish my revised files up to the site using FP, since FP can't see the
files and folders. I could use WSFTP Pro, but I'm reluctant to do so until I
figure out what's going on.

I should also mention that when I'm working on the back-up pages in FP,
occasionally I will get an Access violation, and FP will crash. This appears
random, but does always happen when I try to right-click on a graphic or an
icon in order to reset it's hyperlink. I suspect this has something to do
with FP not being able to "see" the Images folder.

It's clear to me that something has "broken" my FP installation, but I can't
figure out what. I can find nothing in the KB or by Googling. Any help
would be appreciated.

I considered uploading the revised files using WSFTP Pro, then republishing
a fresh back-up down to my HD to see if that would fix whatever's broken, but
again, I'm reluctant to mess with the site blindly.

I'm running FP 2003, and Win XP MCE SP2, with all updates applied for XP and
Office. Multiple spyware and virus scans with various programs, both in Win
and in Safe mode. Did an FP Detect and Repair twice. No joy. 2 gigs of RAM
on a Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop, using a cable modem high speed connection, if
that matters.

Thanks.
 
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S

Stefan B Rusynko

1) Don't use FTP or you will corrupt the FP SE
2) Open FP and run a Help Detect & repair
(make sure your graphics driver is up todate - probable cause of your Access violation errors)
3) Open your online site in FP (File open site http://www.yoursite.com/ ) and select Use Remote Web Site view to try to select the
location of your PC based site (remote)
- if it still does not show publish the online site to a new PC location and start over

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


|I had a perfectly good website using Frontpage, and utilizing shared borders.
| Worked fine for many months. It's an association site, and the boss wanted a
| "facelift". Doing so, I got rid of the SB and created a dynamic web
| template, then attached it to all my pages, while at the same time editing
| the font sizes, etc., on most of the pages (in the "Body" section). I did
| this on my hard disk "back-up" of the site, so as not to screw up the actual
| website with experimentation (rare foresight on my part).
|
| Initially, this worked fine on the first twenty pages or so. But after
| shutting down for the night, and restarting the next day I have a problem.
| Now, when I try to go to my hard disk back up and try to open the files in
| Frontpage, FP can't see any files or folders. I can open a file, i.e.
| index.htm, in Internet Explorer, then click on "Edit with Frontpage", and it
| will open for editing, but Folders view is empty, and FP tells me there are
| no files in the folder.
|
| So far, I have updated almost all the other pages in this way, but its a
| tedious, slow process. Open a page in IE, go to "Edit with FP", do my
| editing, attach the dwt, save it, then back to IE for the next page.
| Ble-e-a-a-h.
|
| If I go into FP, then try to open the back-up, FP sees nothing, as if there
| was an empty folder on the hard drive.
|
| FP seems to work fine when working with my website on-line, but I can't
| publish my revised files up to the site using FP, since FP can't see the
| files and folders. I could use WSFTP Pro, but I'm reluctant to do so until I
| figure out what's going on.
|
| I should also mention that when I'm working on the back-up pages in FP,
| occasionally I will get an Access violation, and FP will crash. This appears
| random, but does always happen when I try to right-click on a graphic or an
| icon in order to reset it's hyperlink. I suspect this has something to do
| with FP not being able to "see" the Images folder.
|
| It's clear to me that something has "broken" my FP installation, but I can't
| figure out what. I can find nothing in the KB or by Googling. Any help
| would be appreciated.
|
| I considered uploading the revised files using WSFTP Pro, then republishing
| a fresh back-up down to my HD to see if that would fix whatever's broken, but
| again, I'm reluctant to mess with the site blindly.
|
| I'm running FP 2003, and Win XP MCE SP2, with all updates applied for XP and
| Office. Multiple spyware and virus scans with various programs, both in Win
| and in Safe mode. Did an FP Detect and Repair twice. No joy. 2 gigs of RAM
| on a Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop, using a cable modem high speed connection, if
| that matters.
|
| Thanks.
 
G

Guest

Stefan:

Thanks very much for your prompt reply!! I was surprised to get help so
quickly.

Unfortunately, there is no improvement. In respect to your points:

1. I'm an acronym guy, but I'm not familiar with FrontPage SE?

2. Already ran Detect and Repair twice. Tried it again, no help.

3. Already tried this numerous times, but I tried it again just to be sure.
No help.

4. I've already published the site down to a new back-up on another
computer. Worked fine. However, I've put many hours into revising the
pages, and really don't want to start all over again, especially without
knowing what the problem is. Chances are that I might get to the same point,
and have the same problem, thus having wasted all the time to re-do
everything I've done, only to end up back where I started. Of course, if
there is no solution, I'll have to do just that...however, something
obviously went wrong, and i'd like to know what.

Thanks for trying to help me. Much appreciated!!

Any other ideas? I have tried rebuilding hyperlinks and text indices,
thinking there was a fundamental break somewhere, but that was no help either.

By the way, in the Publish screen, when I point the remote site to my hard
disk back-up, the window is empty...however, at the bottom of the page, where
it says to "View your remote site", when I click there, it opens a window
showing me all my files and folders. It seems like FP is seeing stuff
sometimes, but not when it counts.

Thanks again,
S.

Stefan B Rusynko said:
1) Don't use FTP or you will corrupt the FP SE
2) Open FP and run a Help Detect & repair
(make sure your graphics driver is up todate - probable cause of your Access violation errors)
3) Open your online site in FP (File open site http://www.yoursite.com/ ) and select Use Remote Web Site view to try to select the
location of your PC based site (remote)
- if it still does not show publish the online site to a new PC location and start over

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


|I had a perfectly good website using Frontpage, and utilizing shared borders.
| Worked fine for many months. It's an association site, and the boss wanted a
| "facelift". Doing so, I got rid of the SB and created a dynamic web
| template, then attached it to all my pages, while at the same time editing
| the font sizes, etc., on most of the pages (in the "Body" section). I did
| this on my hard disk "back-up" of the site, so as not to screw up the actual
| website with experimentation (rare foresight on my part).
|
| Initially, this worked fine on the first twenty pages or so. But after
| shutting down for the night, and restarting the next day I have a problem.
| Now, when I try to go to my hard disk back up and try to open the files in
| Frontpage, FP can't see any files or folders. I can open a file, i.e.
| index.htm, in Internet Explorer, then click on "Edit with Frontpage", and it
| will open for editing, but Folders view is empty, and FP tells me there are
| no files in the folder.
|
| So far, I have updated almost all the other pages in this way, but its a
| tedious, slow process. Open a page in IE, go to "Edit with FP", do my
| editing, attach the dwt, save it, then back to IE for the next page.
| Ble-e-a-a-h.
|
| If I go into FP, then try to open the back-up, FP sees nothing, as if there
| was an empty folder on the hard drive.
|
| FP seems to work fine when working with my website on-line, but I can't
| publish my revised files up to the site using FP, since FP can't see the
| files and folders. I could use WSFTP Pro, but I'm reluctant to do so until I
| figure out what's going on.
|
| I should also mention that when I'm working on the back-up pages in FP,
| occasionally I will get an Access violation, and FP will crash. This appears
| random, but does always happen when I try to right-click on a graphic or an
| icon in order to reset it's hyperlink. I suspect this has something to do
| with FP not being able to "see" the Images folder.
|
| It's clear to me that something has "broken" my FP installation, but I can't
| figure out what. I can find nothing in the KB or by Googling. Any help
| would be appreciated.
|
| I considered uploading the revised files using WSFTP Pro, then republishing
| a fresh back-up down to my HD to see if that would fix whatever's broken, but
| again, I'm reluctant to mess with the site blindly.
|
| I'm running FP 2003, and Win XP MCE SP2, with all updates applied for XP and
| Office. Multiple spyware and virus scans with various programs, both in Win
| and in Safe mode. Did an FP Detect and Repair twice. No joy. 2 gigs of RAM
| on a Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop, using a cable modem high speed connection, if
| that matters.
|
| Thanks.
 
S

Steve Easton

What happens if you browse to the webs directory using Windows Explorer??
Do the files show??

If so, try this:

Go here: http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm and download FP Cleaner ( with
Expression Web Designer and SharePoint Designer support )
Download links are at the bottom of the page.
Run the functions that clear:
The Hidden Temporary files.
The Hidden Cache (*.web) files.
and also the function that restores default toolbars and menus.

See if it helps.

If not, close FrontPage and run regedit and go here:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\FrontPage\Explorer\FrontPage Explorer\Settings

In the right panel, right click the Value Name: Folder DetailColumns
and then select modify. In the Edit String dialog, Clear the Value Data:
and click OK.

Do the same for the Value Name: All FilesColumns

Close regedit and reopen FrontPage

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
 
G

Guest

Thanks for the quick reply, Steve.

Yes, they show in Windows Explorer.

I had already gone the FP Cleaner route, but I did it again, this time
adding the toolbar reset step. No help.

I made the registry changes you suggested. No help.

Any other ideas?

Thanks again.
 
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G

Guest

Yes, it is. I tried recalculating again, no help.

Thanks.

Any chance this is a residual thing involving my old shared borders? I
havent deleted the folders for them.

S.
 
G

Guest

Another thing. I just tried creating a new folder, then copying all the
files and subfolders into it. My plan was to open it in FP, then Convert to
Web. However, although I can open a page in FP, I get the same
results...which is nothing in the Folders view or list. Therefore, nothing
to right click on, in order to select Convert to Web.

Sigh...
 
G

Guest

Steve:

Thanks for your continued efforts and patience!

I can't really do this, because I can't open the remote site in FP. That's
where my basic problem is. When I go to the folder, FP tells me there are no
files in it.

I just copied the whole thing to a flash drive and tried to open it from
there. Same result, except that at the bottom of the FP window where it
would normally say "Loading c:\website", that text shows up but it flickers.
There is no hard disk activity when this happens, and it goes on for a long
time.

Steve
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

FrontPage SE - FrontPage Server Extensions

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


| Stefan:
|
| Thanks very much for your prompt reply!! I was surprised to get help so
| quickly.
|
| Unfortunately, there is no improvement. In respect to your points:
|
| 1. I'm an acronym guy, but I'm not familiar with FrontPage SE?
|
| 2. Already ran Detect and Repair twice. Tried it again, no help.
|
| 3. Already tried this numerous times, but I tried it again just to be sure.
| No help.
|
| 4. I've already published the site down to a new back-up on another
| computer. Worked fine. However, I've put many hours into revising the
| pages, and really don't want to start all over again, especially without
| knowing what the problem is. Chances are that I might get to the same point,
| and have the same problem, thus having wasted all the time to re-do
| everything I've done, only to end up back where I started. Of course, if
| there is no solution, I'll have to do just that...however, something
| obviously went wrong, and i'd like to know what.
|
| Thanks for trying to help me. Much appreciated!!
|
| Any other ideas? I have tried rebuilding hyperlinks and text indices,
| thinking there was a fundamental break somewhere, but that was no help either.
|
| By the way, in the Publish screen, when I point the remote site to my hard
| disk back-up, the window is empty...however, at the bottom of the page, where
| it says to "View your remote site", when I click there, it opens a window
| showing me all my files and folders. It seems like FP is seeing stuff
| sometimes, but not when it counts.
|
| Thanks again,
| S.
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
|
| > 1) Don't use FTP or you will corrupt the FP SE
| > 2) Open FP and run a Help Detect & repair
| > (make sure your graphics driver is up todate - probable cause of your Access violation errors)
| > 3) Open your online site in FP (File open site http://www.yoursite.com/ ) and select Use Remote Web Site view to try to select
the
| > location of your PC based site (remote)
| > - if it still does not show publish the online site to a new PC location and start over
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > |I had a perfectly good website using Frontpage, and utilizing shared borders.
| > | Worked fine for many months. It's an association site, and the boss wanted a
| > | "facelift". Doing so, I got rid of the SB and created a dynamic web
| > | template, then attached it to all my pages, while at the same time editing
| > | the font sizes, etc., on most of the pages (in the "Body" section). I did
| > | this on my hard disk "back-up" of the site, so as not to screw up the actual
| > | website with experimentation (rare foresight on my part).
| > |
| > | Initially, this worked fine on the first twenty pages or so. But after
| > | shutting down for the night, and restarting the next day I have a problem.
| > | Now, when I try to go to my hard disk back up and try to open the files in
| > | Frontpage, FP can't see any files or folders. I can open a file, i.e.
| > | index.htm, in Internet Explorer, then click on "Edit with Frontpage", and it
| > | will open for editing, but Folders view is empty, and FP tells me there are
| > | no files in the folder.
| > |
| > | So far, I have updated almost all the other pages in this way, but its a
| > | tedious, slow process. Open a page in IE, go to "Edit with FP", do my
| > | editing, attach the dwt, save it, then back to IE for the next page.
| > | Ble-e-a-a-h.
| > |
| > | If I go into FP, then try to open the back-up, FP sees nothing, as if there
| > | was an empty folder on the hard drive.
| > |
| > | FP seems to work fine when working with my website on-line, but I can't
| > | publish my revised files up to the site using FP, since FP can't see the
| > | files and folders. I could use WSFTP Pro, but I'm reluctant to do so until I
| > | figure out what's going on.
| > |
| > | I should also mention that when I'm working on the back-up pages in FP,
| > | occasionally I will get an Access violation, and FP will crash. This appears
| > | random, but does always happen when I try to right-click on a graphic or an
| > | icon in order to reset it's hyperlink. I suspect this has something to do
| > | with FP not being able to "see" the Images folder.
| > |
| > | It's clear to me that something has "broken" my FP installation, but I can't
| > | figure out what. I can find nothing in the KB or by Googling. Any help
| > | would be appreciated.
| > |
| > | I considered uploading the revised files using WSFTP Pro, then republishing
| > | a fresh back-up down to my HD to see if that would fix whatever's broken, but
| > | again, I'm reluctant to mess with the site blindly.
| > |
| > | I'm running FP 2003, and Win XP MCE SP2, with all updates applied for XP and
| > | Office. Multiple spyware and virus scans with various programs, both in Win
| > | and in Safe mode. Did an FP Detect and Repair twice. No joy. 2 gigs of RAM
| > | on a Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop, using a cable modem high speed connection, if
| > | that matters.
| > |
| > | Thanks.
| >
| >
| >
 
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T

Tina Clarke

I can't really do this, because I can't open the remote site in FP.
That's
where my basic problem is. When I go to the folder, FP tells me there are
no
files in it.


You don't go to the folder on the remote (the server) site you go to the
domain.

What is your site domain?

Tina
 
G

Guest

The domain is ileeta.org, but if I understand you, I'm not sure you know what
I'm asking. I can open the site on the server, no problem. The problem is
that I can't see any files or folders in my hard disk back up of the site.

Thanks,
S.
 
W

Windsun

Did you copy them to a directory or publish them to a web? You are supposed
to open the remote site and PUBLISH it back to your hard drive.

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G

Guest

Thanks for getting back to me.

I guess I'm not being clear. The site on the web opens and works fine. Its
the back-up on my hard disk that won't show up. Its there, and I have
modified the files in it. It shows up in windows explorer, but not in FP.
Its the back up, not the actual live site, that is the problem.

Thanks.
 
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Tina Clarke

Steve ashley said:
The domain is ileeta.org, but if I understand you, I'm not sure you know
what
I'm asking. I can open the site on the server, no problem. The problem
is
that I can't see any files or folders in my hard disk back up of the site.

Thanks,
S.

You said...

"I can't really do this, because I can't open the remote site in FP. That's
where my basic problem is. When I go to the folder, FP tells me there are
no
files in it"

You didn't say your hd you said remote site (ie your host server)

Hence the confusion.

Open your site live and publish to your hard drive.... that will fix it...
Do you know how to open your site live?

Tina
 
G

Guest

Thank you all for trying to help with my issue.

I am going to waste your time with a recap of this issue, because I have
been trying to respond to each of your suggestions using your tyerminology,
which I can now see has caused me to apparently be confusing. I really think
most of this confusion is due to helpful people not reading the entire thread
before offering suggestions, but I guess I really can't expect everyone to
waste their time doing that. And I certainly don't want to appear ungrateful
for the attempts at assistance I have received here. In over 20 years of
computer experience (but much less than that as a Frontpage person), I've
gotten much help from these forums, and have always enjoyed participating.
So, if anyone is still interested in trying to help me figure this out:

There is only one problem. I am working with a website (www.ileeta.org)
that has been in existence for about three years, and has always been managed
with FP. I have always been the webmaster, and no one else has access to the
site or its files.

I had a full back-up of the site on my hard drive. The Executive Director
of our association asked me to do a "facelift" of the site, to make it look a
little more modern. I determined that the best way to do that was to get rid
of the shared borders, and go to the new dynamic web templates used in FP
2003. I also decided that, rather than mess up the site while I was
experimenting with the DWTs, I would do all the work on the set of back-up
files on my hard drive -- then, when satisfied, I would publish all the
revised files to the live site, where they would overwrite the old files.

I began working on the files by deleting the shared borders. Then created a
DWT. Once that was done, I began going through each of the files, tweaking
and editing content, getting rid of the wallpaper on each page, etc., and
finally attaching the DWT, then saving the file to my hard drive, in its same
location.

I did about 20 pages, working within FP, and all was well. I shut down for
the night. The next day, I opened FP, and navigated to the folder with the
back up files in it. FP showed an empty window in folder view, and told me
there were no files in the folder.

That is the issue.

I can see the files in Windows explorer. I can open each file in IE, then
click on "Edit with Frontpage", and the file will open in FP. I can tweak
pages in FP and re-save them (sometimes, but not always, I get an access
violation at this point -- generally when trying to edit or insert a
hyperlink). I have completed my tweaking aof all the other pages in this
laborious way (except for some hyperlinks).

However, even when I have actually opened a page this way in FP, FP still
can't see any of the other files or folders in the back-up on my hard drive.

I have tried opening the folder and publishing anyway, thinking maybe that
would work, but it takes about a second for FP to tell me there are no files
there.

I can open the live site on the web (www.ileeta.org), and see all the files
and folders in FP, just like always. There appears to be no problem with me
working on the existing site. FP just can't see the set of back-up files and
folders that are on my hard drive.

I thought perhaps there was a problem with the DWT, but in that case, I
should still be able to see some of the old back-up files that I didn't
attach the DWT to, but that's not the case. I can't see them either.

I tried creating a new web on the hard drive, and copying all the files and
folders into it, but still can't see them.

I tried copying the back-up web folder and it's contents to a USB drive,
then transferring it to a different computer. FP can't see the files on that
PC either (behaves exactly the same way as on my laptop).

I tried opening FP in Safe Mode, thinking maybe one of my security programs
was interfering (although they never have before). No help. FP can't see
the files in Safe Mode, either.

One suggestion was to start over from scratch, and I will if I have to...but
I'm reluctant to do that without understanding the problem, since I don't
want to do two weeks work, only to end up right back where I started.

And yes, Tina, I know how to open my site live. I suspect you were being
sarcastic out of frustration.

As I said at the start...I REALLY appreciate the efforts of those who have
tried to help with this. I am only frustrated by the wierd nature of the
problem, and the fact that I think I explained it several times along the
thread. I guess my main problem with not being clear was my use of terms
like "live" and "remote" and "server", but I was trying to respond to the
language used by those who were trying to help.

The original post of the problem was pretty clear, I thought.

Anyway, thanks for the help and suggestions. If ANYONE has an idea that
hasn't been suggested, thanks a lot for sending it along!! I figure if I
can't get the answer here, it's not out there to be found!

Regards,
Steve
 
W

Windsun

Did you work on the files in the folder directly, or did you open a website
on your local drive?


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G

Guest

After publishing the site to the hard drive as a back up, I went into the
files there through Frontpage, at least initially. After FP started not
being able to see them, I would open each file by double-clicking it, which
would open it in Internet Explorer, then I would click on "Edit with
Frontpage", which would open the file in Frontpage, where I would work on it.

The "back-up" folder on my drive has the globe on it.

Thanks!
S.
 

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