Using domain laptop on home workgroup network

[Guest]

From research so far, I gather this can't be done, not without a lot of
effort from the system administrators at work (domain).

However, even if I can't belong to my home workgroup, is there a way I can
still share files, printer, etc - if I log on to local computer & have full
access rights?

I see there is a method for XP -
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/domainjoined.mspx
does same apply for 2000?

Other than that I guess there's the USB stick - I've seen suggestions about
mapping network drives, etc - but don't you still have to be in the same
workgroup to do this?

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

From research so far, I gather this can't be done, not without a lot of
effort from the system administrators at work (domain).

However, even if I can't belong to my home workgroup, is there a way I can
still share files, printer, etc - if I log on to local computer & have full
access rights?

I see there is a method for XP -
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/domainjoined.mspx
does same apply for 2000?

Other than that I guess there's the USB stick - I've seen suggestions about
mapping network drives, etc - but don't you still have to be in the same
workgroup to do this?

You can connect to any share on any computer, provided that
you use an account name and a password that is acceptable to
the machine hosting the share. It is irrelevant if your laptop
belongs to a workgroup or a domain.

 

[Kurt]

You can connect to any share on any computer, provided that
you use an account name and a password that is acceptable to
the machine hosting the share. It is irrelevant if your laptop
belongs to a workgroup or a domain.

To elaborate, you can either create a local account on the laptop that
matches an account with admin rights on your home computer/network, or
you can create an account at home that matches your domain logon account
on the laptop.

....kurt

 

[Guest]

To elaborate, you can either create a local account on the laptop that
matches an account with admin rights on your home computer/network, or
you can create an account at home that matches your domain logon account
on the laptop.

....kurt

So you're saying that if on one of my home computers I log in to the
workgroup as "ozegirl" with "password", that the domain log on for the laptop
should also be "ozegirl" and "password"...

However, if it's not part of the workgroup, I won't see any other home
computers in My Network Places....

so to get to the other shared computers (and printer)...

do I go through Find...computers, or do I use the suggestion in the XP link
above about going through run \\computer? where computer = name of workgroup
computer? then I guess the workgroup computer would prompt me to enter it's
log in name & passowrd????

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

So you're saying that if on one of my home computers I log in to the
workgroup as "ozegirl" with "password", that the domain log on for the laptop
should also be "ozegirl" and "password"...

However, if it's not part of the workgroup, I won't see any other home
computers in My Network Places....

so to get to the other shared computers (and printer)...

do I go through Find...computers, or do I use the suggestion in the XP link
above about going through run \\computer? where computer = name of workgroup
computer? then I guess the workgroup computer would prompt me to enter it's
log in name & passowrd????

You are mixing two things here: Authentication and visibility.
As Kurt and I explained, you can authenticate yourself with an
account name and password that is known to the machine that
hosts the share. This will give you access to the folders for which
you have a suitable permission.

However, you may not necessarily see these shares. If you
cannot see them, make a manual connection via the Tools
pull-down menu in My Computer, e.g. like so:

Drive letter: Q
Share name: \\YourServer\SomeShare

Get the machine to remember the connection if you like.

 

[Guest]

You are mixing two things here: Authentication and visibility.
As Kurt and I explained, you can authenticate yourself with an
account name and password that is known to the machine that
hosts the share. This will give you access to the folders for which
you have a suitable permission.

However, you may not necessarily see these shares. If you
cannot see them, make a manual connection via the Tools
pull-down menu in My Computer, e.g. like so:

Drive letter: Q
Share name: \\YourServer\SomeShare

Get the machine to remember the connection if you like.


Sorry I'm more confused now!

You seem to be talking about mapping a network drive here, but I thought I
could only map things that were on my network ie workgroup?

Can you step-by-step me - if I have the "domain" laptop and I log in to the
local computer with admin rights, what do I do to connect to a computer in my
workgroup, of which the domain laptop is not a part? When you say
"authenticate yourself with an account name and password that is known to
the machine that
hosts the share. " at what stage does this happen? After I have logged on
to local computer or when I'm logging in? Sorry I'm daft!

 

[Phillip Windell]

So you're saying that if on one of my home computers I log in to the
workgroup as "ozegirl" with "password", that the domain log on for the laptop
Correct.

However, if it's not part of the workgroup, I won't see any other home
computers in My Network Places....

Forget about Network Places..... It is not *really* related to network
connectivity, and most certainly not worth all the trouble to get it to work.

so to get to the other shared computers (and printer)...
do I go through Find...computers,

Possibly,... but I wouldn't bother with it....

or do I use the suggestion in the XP link
above about going through run \\computer?

Correct.
Actually \\computer\sharename would be better.

computer? then I guess the workgroup computer would prompt me
to enter it's log in name & passowrd????

Correct. Assuming the Name & Password combo is not the same on both machines.
If they are the same on both machines there will be no prompt,...it will "just
work".

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
with me, including my cats.
-----------------------------------------------------

 

[Guest]

So you're saying that if on one of my home computers I log in to the
workgroup as "ozegirl" with "password", that the domain log on for the laptop
Correct.

However, if it's not part of the workgroup, I won't see any other home
computers in My Network Places....

Forget about Network Places..... It is not *really* related to network
connectivity, and most certainly not worth all the trouble to get it to work.

so to get to the other shared computers (and printer)...
do I go through Find...computers,

Possibly,... but I wouldn't bother with it....

or do I use the suggestion in the XP link
above about going through run \\computer?

Correct.
Actually \\computer\sharename would be better.

computer? then I guess the workgroup computer would prompt me
to enter it's log in name & passowrd????

Correct. Assuming the Name & Password combo is not the same on both machines.
If they are the same on both machines there will be no prompt,...it will "just
work".

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
with me, including my cats.

OK, thanks, I follow this - just want to double confirm that the method of
using run \\computer\share etc does work on Win 2000 Pro just the same as on
XP?

 

[Phillip Windell]

OK, thanks, I follow this - just want to double confirm that the method of
using run \\computer\share etc does work on Win 2000 Pro just the same as
on XP?

It is a universal naming convention,...that's why those are called UNC Pathes.

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
with me, including my cats.
-----------------------------------------------------

 

[Guest]

Yes, I'm familiar with the path naming convention, I suppose I should have
been more specific;

In the link in my first post, is the method for Using a Portable Computer
from Work on Your Home Network - and it specifically mentions XP - usually
Microsoft lists somewhere in their articles "all operating systems that this
applies to" - but none were mentioned other than XP.

In step 3, "Enable simple file sharing on your portable computer and create
a shared folder", it shows the Folder Options box - I've had a look on my
existing Win 2000Pro desktop at home, and the option to "Use simple file
sharing" is not listed in this box - for that matter, it's not listed on my
XP computer either.

However both these computers are already set up to be sharing folders - so
would this option only be available if file sharing was not already applied?

I can't check this out on the new laptop yet because it's still being set up
by the office IT people, but I assume that this option will be available if
file sharing has not already been enabled?

My point being that if I can't set this option in the folder options box the
next step of run //computer etc won't work.

OK, thanks, I follow this - just want to double confirm that the method of
using run \\computer\share etc does work on Win 2000 Pro just the same as
on XP?

It is a universal naming convention,...that's why those are called UNC Pathes.

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
with me, including my cats.

 

[Kurt]

Yes, I'm familiar with the path naming convention, I suppose I should have
been more specific;

In the link in my first post, is the method for Using a Portable Computer
from Work on Your Home Network - and it specifically mentions XP - usually
Microsoft lists somewhere in their articles "all operating systems that this
applies to" - but none were mentioned other than XP.

In step 3, "Enable simple file sharing on your portable computer and create
a shared folder", it shows the Folder Options box - I've had a look on my
existing Win 2000Pro desktop at home, and the option to "Use simple file
sharing" is not listed in this box - for that matter, it's not listed on my
XP computer either.

You won't want to use simple file sharing with a computer that is a
member of a domain. It is disabled by default on domain computers, and
things work much better if both are set up the same. "simple file
sharing" is anything but, IMHO. Just turn it off.

However both these computers are already set up to be sharing folders - so
would this option only be available if file sharing was not already applied?

I can't check this out on the new laptop yet because it's still being set up
by the office IT people, but I assume that this option will be available if
file sharing has not already been enabled?

My point being that if I can't set this option in the folder options box the
next step of run //computer etc won't work.

It will still work. Once you have matching accounts:
Assuming you will have to logon to the laptop using your domain
credentials, you just need to create an account on your home computer
with the same username and password. You don't need to ever log in to
that account on your home computer. Just make sure the home account has
the necessary permissions to access your home shares.

If the computers don't see each other in My Net Places, you can access
them by using the UNC path \\computername, or if that fails, open a CMD
prompt on each, type ipconfig and note the IP address. Then you should
be able to access with \\ip-address.

Just a note, you can't use "Find", because that searches the directory,
which won't be available to you at home.

....kurt

 

[Guest]

Well guys, thanks for all your help. I think I've got everything I need now -
oh except for maybe one thing - the laptop.
Even though it was all approved initially for me to bring the laptop home
(because I work from home as well) they have now got cold feet & decided they
don't want me bringing a laptop with access to other home computers into the
office (which I can understand), but I think the real reason is that they now
want to give it to someone else who has greater "pull" and they are going to
give me a newer desktop for home, and 2 newer desktops for the 2 offices I
work from as well.

I thought the laptop was a sensible idea for someone needing 3 computers in
3 locations, and despite the fact that I have been working from home for
years without a single call to the IT helpdesk, it's considered too great a
security risk. C'est la vie.

 

[Guest]

Well guys, thanks for all your help. I think I've got everything I need now -
oh except for maybe one thing - the laptop.
Even though it was all approved initially for me to bring the laptop home
(because I work from home as well) they have now got cold feet & decided they
don't want me bringing a laptop with access to other home computers into the
office (which I can understand), but I think the real reason is that they now
want to give it to someone else who has greater "pull" and they are going to
give me a newer desktop for home, and 2 newer desktops for the 2 offices I
work from as well.

I thought the laptop was a sensible idea for someone needing 3 computers in
3 locations, and despite the fact that I have been working from home for
years without a single call to the IT helpdesk, it's considered too great a
security risk. C'est la vie.