Using both dialup and satellite connections

[TNorth]

I live in a rural area and my only options for Internet are dialup and
satellite. After 8 years I am finally making the move to the satellite, and
want to also keep my dialup ISP as a backup. I'm not sure if this is the
correct forum, but I am looking for information on how to configure my
connections so that I don't lose the ability to use dialup if I need to and
have the two coexist on my computer.

Any ideas or suggestions for another forum that might be of help are
appreciated.

Thanks.
TN

 

[John Barnett MVP]

If you are currently using dialup then, I assume, you are dialing up via the
internal modem in your pc? Because you are transferring over to broadband,
via satellite, your ISP, presumably are supplying you with a DSL modem. The
DSL modem should come with a CD that will install and configure your
internet connection to run via the satellite broadband. It will also add
'another' ISP connection so you should have two connections in the network
and sharing window in control panel (click control panel then click the
network and sharing icon to see the connections). If you are using the
'connect to' option from the start menu to connect to the internet you will
also see two connections here. One will be your dial up connection, the
other will be your broadband connection. You can then choose which one you
wish to connect to.
I assume you are using the same ISP that supplied your dial up for your
satellite connection? If so your dial up connection account will be closed.
What you will need to find out from the ISP is the 'pay as you go' telephone
number for the dial up connection. Once you have this number you can simply
edit the dial up connection and replace the current number with the pay as
you go number. If you use the dial up number it will then simply dial the
pay as you go number and you will be charged for the time you are online
from your telephone company.

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[TNorth]

Hi John,

Thanks for the explanation. I am actually not using the same ISP for the
satellite as for my dialup - so I don't want or expect that service to be
closed. I really do want to have both and continue to pay for my dialup as
before, along with the satellite.

The satellite company is supplying the modem and dish, and they are supposed
to do the complete install - but I want to be aware of what they will be
doing so that things go smoothly.

So what you are saying is that I should be able to choose to connect to the
satellite through that connection (I'm thinking that one is an always on
connection) and at the same time I can choose to dial up through my original
ISP.

Okay - so how does OE/IE know which one I am using so that they can connect
and so that I can get my email through both services? I expect to have two
email addresses - one for the dialup that I now have and one for the
satellite, which also should be accessible through OE - is that possible? I
now have my OE set up to send and receive mail from several sources - gmail,
Hotmail, so this should work in a similar way, shouldn't it? I can ask in
the IE/OE forums if this isn't the right place for that discussion!

Thanks!

TN

 

[Shenan Stanley]

TNorth wrote:

Okay - so how does OE/IE know which one I am using so that they can
connect and so that I can get my email through both services? I
expect to have two email addresses - one for the dialup that I now
have and one for the satellite, which also should be accessible
through OE - is that possible? I now have my OE set up to send and
receive mail from several sources - gmail, Hotmail, so this should
work in a similar way, shouldn't it? I can ask in the IE/OE forums
if this isn't the right place for that discussion!

Your applications will get to the Internet usinfg the first viable path they
find.

However - your dial-up email address may not be accessible at all unless you
are connected to the dial-up service providers servers - you'll have to
check with them on that.

If I was setting up someone with a new connection - I would HIGHLY suggest
that person moved to a non-ISP dependent email provider. GMAIL is a good
option. Then - no matter what happens - you can keep and access your same
email address from anywhere in the world on any internet connection without
much of a problem and you'd not have to change email addresses again (unless
Google goes out of business...)

 

[John Barnett MVP]

TN I think shenan has explained everything you need to know in her reply
post. All I would be doing is repeating the advise.

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[Kelly]

Shenan is a she?

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[Ken Blake, MVP]

Shenan is a she?

Well, the name is not "Henan." ;-)

I don't know.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Shenan is a she?

Well, the name is not "Henan." ;-)

I don't know.

If it helps - I'd ask the same question as Kelly. ;-)

 

[TNorth]

However - your dial-up email address may not be accessible at all unless you
are connected to the dial-up service providers servers - you'll have to
check with them on that.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. That is my question - can I have both a
dial-up connection and a satellite connection on my computer. How can it be
set up for both? I want to be able to dial into my ISP and use that email
and web connection as a backup if the satellite doesn't work.

Thanks also for the tips on gmail. I do use it, but have mail forwarded to
my ISP OE account as I like to functionality of OE.

Please advise as to why my dialup address might not be accessible if I keep
all dialup settings the same.

Thanks!

TN

 

[John Barnett MVP]

My apologies if I got the gender wrong. you obviously know Shenan and I
don't. It looks like I'm going to have to start putting he/she him/her to
cover my back in future.

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[Shenan Stanley]

I'm not sure what you mean by that. That is my question - can I
have both a dial-up connection and a satellite connection on my
computer. How can it be set up for both? I want to be able to dial
into my ISP and use that email and web connection as a backup if
the satellite doesn't work.

Thanks also for the tips on gmail. I do use it, but have mail
forwarded to my ISP OE account as I like to functionality of OE.

Please advise as to why my dialup address might not be accessible
if I keep all dialup settings the same.

Let me try again...

When you are using the satellite - there is no guarantee you can access your
dial-up EMAIL.

Some ISPs - particularly those providing dial-up services - limit access to
their email servers to people utilizing their service - meaning that when
you are not utilizing your dial-up - you may not be able to send/receive
email for your dial-up email address. However - while you are using your
satellite service - there will be no problem utilizing your satellite email.

If your satellite is not working and you wish to dial up - go for it.

If your satellite is working and you wish to use your dial-up - go for it.
You *may* have to disable your network card (you can do this in Windows) or
unplug the USB cable connecting your computer and satellite modem (I have no
idea how your satellite modem will connect - more than likely one of the two
ways I just listed) in order to gain the effect you want and just be passing
data through the dial-up connection.

However - it may be that your dial-up service provider may not have any
limit to where you can check your email from - contact them and see. Ask
them if you can send/receive email using your account no matter where you
connect/how you connect to the Internet. IUf their answer is that it does
not matter where/how you connect to the Internet - you should always be able
to send/receive their email - you are done. Set.

I have DSL, Cable Modem, Dial-Up and Celluar Modem. I can connect to the
internet on my computer with all of them. The traffic is handled for me by
Windows - I did nothing to set it up. Whatever the active and functioning
connection is - it goes through. Thinfgs only get confusing when I have
more than one connected to any given computer - thus why I mention the 'you
*may* have to disable your network card...' line above. Even when I have
more than one going - normal Internet connectivity works.

So if your respective ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and their
corresponding mail servers don't care how you got connected to the Internet
and allow you to still send/receive email as long as you authenticate with
their server using a valid username/password combination - you have nothing
to worry about.

Get your satellite, keep your dial-up. If satellite is working - you're
good to go. If the satellite fails - dial (manually) the old reliable
service and connect. You'll be disappointed that you paid that much to get
it cnnnected and $40-$70/month for it just to stop woking because it is an
overcast day - but you'll still be connected to the Internet.

As for GMAIL - using OE should not limit you as to email providers. SHORT:
You can setup outlook express to pop/smtp with gmail services just like you
have it setup for your dial-up ISP now.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

My apologies if I got the gender wrong. you obviously know Shenan
and I don't. It looks like I'm going to have to start putting
he/she him/her to cover my back in future.

I have found it beneficial to just refer to someone (in type/without knowing
them) as their given name... ;-)
(Or at worst - 'you'/'them'/'they'. *grin*)

I have no idea if John is a she or he - as I have known people who went by
the name John of both genders. John may be male, John may be female - but
if I refer to John as 'John' - John has no idea I don't know and every clue
I don't care.

I have no idea if Stacey or Tracey are he's or she's, as I have known
individuals of both genders who go by either name. I simply refer to them
as Stacey and/or Tracey - neither Stacey nor Tracey have any inkling I do
not know their gender.

The only person you could have offended is me - and you did not. At least
you got the spelling correct. haha

 

[TNorth]

Hi Shenan,

Thanks so much for giving it another try - this makes perfect sense now. I
guess I was having a hard time getting my head around the fact that once it
is connected - all connections should work.

I called my ISP and they said I should be able to access them through the
satellite as well as dialup. You hit the nail on the head - weather issues
that cause the dish to go out are my concern as I need to be able to connect
no matter what. So, I think I am good to go.

I agree - spending the big bucks for a connection that doesn't like rain or
snow will be frustrating - but as long as I have an alternative, I'll be
okay!

Thanks again so much for the help and information! Very much appreciated!

TN

 

[John Barnett MVP]

Well Shenan, here in the UK John is 'male' and I certainly don't know of a
female John and, as my websites are advertised on every post I make, a
simple click on the link will show that I am indeed a male.

I take your point, however, and will have to remember to use the persons
Christian name instead of him/her/he/she etc, or maybe I should use a
'disclaimer'

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[Shenan Stanley]

Well Shenan, here in the UK John is 'male' and I certainly don't
know of a female John and, as my websites are advertised on every
post I make, a simple click on the link will show that I am indeed
a male.
I take your point, however, and will have to remember to use the
persons Christian name instead of him/her/he/she etc, or maybe I
should use a 'disclaimer'

I am unsure...
As I said - "went by the name John of both genders"... Not necessarily their
given name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radclyffe_Hall

Radclyffe Hall
Nationality: British
"Batten gave Hall the nickname John, which _she_ used the rest of her life."

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Well Shenan, here in the UK John is 'male' and I certainly don't
know of a female John and, as my websites are advertised on every
post I make, a simple click on the link will show that I am indeed
a male.
I take your point, however, and will have to remember to use the
persons Christian name instead of him/her/he/she etc, or maybe I
should use a 'disclaimer'

I am unsure...
As I said - "went by the name John of both genders"... Not
necessarily their given name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radclyffe_Hall

Radclyffe Hall
Nationality: British
"Batten gave Hall the nickname John, which _she_ used the rest of
her life."

BTW - that was just for a lark (example of a British woman going by the name
John...) - No offense meant.

To add to that - it should be said that I have long gotten past the worry of
people not knowing the gender of someone based strictly off their name. Too
many names have been used over the centuries for both men and women,
different variations, meaning, cultures - etc.

I have become more careful assuming someone is a male/female in the
newsgroups because (quite likely) of the mistakes with my name. To me the
more annoying mistake is the misspelling of one's name (not a typo, not a
spell-checker gone wild) when the name is in the signature, the quoted text
and such of the original message. (I can understand a typo, spell checkers
can take my name and suddenly make "Shaman" out of it...) But unless I
signed my name "Mr. Shenan Stanley" <- asking for anyone to determine gender
based off name would be asking too much.

 

[John Barnett MVP]

No offence take, Shenan.

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