Upgrade mb and CPU--do I need to do a clean install?

K

Ken

I am considering upgrading my CPU from a Pentium 4 to a Duo Core, which
requires a new mb, as well as different memory. I seem to have acquired
quite a few programs over the past couple of years, enough that it takes
up two screen scrolls when I open Start, Programs.

Is it possible to do the upgrade without doing a fresh install of the
WinXP and the hours it would take to install of my other programs or am
I condemned to a fresh install?

Thanks
Ken K
 
R

R. McCarty

Upgrading a P4 (Hyperthreaded) will automatically detect the C2D
and should boot. It will however, re-enumerate (detect) all the newer
Chipset components from the newer Northbridge chip. I would plan
to do a Repair or In-Place upgrade so all the system level drivers are
correct.

I just built a C2D e6600 for a customer. Amazing - It scored a 3450
on PCPitstop. For comparison my Yonah ( Mobile Core Duo) Sony
notebook only rates 1900 and my Northwood P4 3.0 Gig scores just
under 1500. I'd recommend that anyone looking for a new PC - take
a look at C2D machines.
 
K

Kerry Brown

Ken said:
I am considering upgrading my CPU from a Pentium 4 to a Duo Core,
which requires a new mb, as well as different memory. I seem to have
acquired quite a few programs over the past couple of years, enough
that it takes up two screen scrolls when I open Start, Programs.

Is it possible to do the upgrade without doing a fresh install of the
WinXP and the hours it would take to install of my other programs or
am I condemned to a fresh install?

Thanks
Ken K

Before you change the hardware make sure you have a backup. Once the
hardware is changed if you have the same family chipset (i.e. Intel to Intel
or VIA to VIA) then you may be able to boot into Windows and let Windows
find the new hardware. It is more likely you will have to do a repair
install, also called an in place upgrade by Microsoft.

http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;315341

This procedure should not affect your programs and data but Murphy is always
just around the corner. Make sure you have backups.
 
K

Ken

Kerry said:
Before you change the hardware make sure you have a backup. Once the
hardware is changed if you have the same family chipset (i.e. Intel to Intel
or VIA to VIA) then you may be able to boot into Windows and let Windows
find the new hardware. It is more likely you will have to do a repair
install, also called an in place upgrade by Microsoft.

http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;315341

This procedure should not affect your programs and data but Murphy is always
just around the corner. Make sure you have backups.
Thanks. Learned the backup necessity years ago!! I plan on cloning my
drive AND having a backup. Thanks for the info on repair install.

Ken K
 
K

Kerry Brown

Ken said:
Thanks. Learned the backup necessity years ago!! I plan on cloning my
drive AND having a backup. Thanks for the info on repair install.

Ken K

You're welcome
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Ken said:
I am considering upgrading my CPU from a Pentium 4 to a Duo Core, which
requires a new mb, as well as different memory. I seem to have acquired
quite a few programs over the past couple of years, enough that it takes
up two screen scrolls when I open Start, Programs.

Is it possible to do the upgrade without doing a fresh install of the
WinXP and the hours it would take to install of my other programs or am
I condemned to a fresh install?

Thanks
Ken K


Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM
installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and therefore are
*not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before starting),
unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same chipset, same
IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on which the WinXP
installation was originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair
(a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with WinXP Installed
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with
licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this point.
You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the OS. (If
you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as picking up a
Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch style
foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K before it,
is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to accepting any
old hardware configuration you throw at it. On installation it
"tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This is one of the
reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much more stable
than the Win9x group.

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any
important data before starting.

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a
Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more than
120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most
likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's
been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.


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K

Ken

Thanks for the response. I don't think my processor is a hyperthreaded
model CPU (Intel Pentium 4A 2533 MHz Northwood A80532. Any idea?

What components did you use in the new system (mb, memory), BTW?

Thanks
Ken K
 
K

Ken

Bruce said:
Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM
installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and therefore are
*not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before starting),
unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same chipset, same
IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on which the WinXP
installation was originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair
(a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with WinXP Installed
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with
licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this point.
You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the OS. (If
you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as picking up a
Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch style
foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K before it,
is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to accepting any
old hardware configuration you throw at it. On installation it
"tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This is one of the
reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much more stable
than the Win9x group.

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any
important data before starting.

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a
Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more than
120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most
likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's
been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.
Thanks. I have a legit Win2000->WinXP upgrade version, so there will be
no problem with the license, and it has been in upgraded for about 8 months.

Is the issue the same with Win2K, as I have another computer that I will
be upgrading at some point?

Thanks
Ken K
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Ken said:
Thanks. I have a legit Win2000->WinXP upgrade version, so there will be
no problem with the license, and it has been in upgraded for about 8
months.

You're welcome.

Is the issue the same with Win2K, as I have another computer that I will
be upgrading at some point?

Except for the need for activation, yes.

Normally, and assuming a retail license (many OEM installations and
licenses are not transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before
starting), unless the new motherboard is virtually identical to the old
one (same chipset, IDE/SCSI controllers, etc), you'll most likely need
to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very
least (and don't forget to reinstall any service packs and subsequent
hot fixes):

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q292175

What an In-Place Win2K Upgrade Changes and What It Doesn't
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q306952

If that fails:

How to Move a Windows 2000 Installation to Different Hardware
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q249694&ID=KB;EN-US;Q249694



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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

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R

R. McCarty

I believe all "Northwood's" are HT enabled. Couldn't match your
number - Here is the Intel Chart: (Menu) to reference:
http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/index.htm

If there is such a thing as "State-of-the-Art", I guess I got as close as
I've ever been on this PC around August 10th. Probably already new
hardware available to best it.

Asus P5W DH Deluxe Motherboard (No OC'ing used)
Intel Core 2 Duo e6600 processor
2.0 Gigabytes of matched Corsair DDR2 800-Mhz Memory
Seagate 250-Gigabyte "Perpendicular Oriented"
SATA-2 Drives (X2)
Antec NSK4400 Case w/450 Watt PS included (added 2 Fans)
LG "Lightscribe" DVD-RW
Windows Media Center Edition
 

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