updated Nintendo Wii specs - pinch of salt needed

[Sir Chewbury Gubbins]

you really do just keep showing how utterly clueless you are.

Yeah, but you have to admit that his stupidity is spectacular to the
point of impressiveness.

Choobs

 

[erics]

I know that you clowns think that you are making a point, but new
controllers were needed because newer games called for it. Now, Nintendo
is trying to build games based on a new controller. It is an old concept
and the games take on a 3D movie/First person shooter. Like ROB and the
Virtual Boy, the affect will where off very fast.

Where?

 

[El Guapo]

I know that you clowns think that you are making a point, but new
controllers were needed because newer games called for it. Now, Nintendo
is trying to build games based on a new controller.

Not true. Nintendo has made it very clear that one of their main goals this
generation is to open up gaming to people who currently do not use, or have
limited interest in, traditional gaming consoles. They want to lower the
"barriers to entry" for people who want to try out video games (and yeah,
that includes Nintendo's traditional youth market, who first come in to the
market without preconceptions of how a controller should work). So
obviously the controller has been designed to enable the games Nintendo
wants to make, not the other way around. The fact that it also gives
developers a fresh perspective on old genres, and mainstream and hard core
gamers something new and innovative to try, is a great bonus.

It is an old concept and the games take on a 3D movie/First person
shooter. Like ROB and the Virtual Boy, the affect will where off very
fast.

That's always a possibility of course, though I doubt it. I have a feeling
that once you get used to the freestyle design of the new controller,
traditional controllers will feel confined and limiting. Kind of like
playing a free look FPS on the console after playing on the PC with a mouse
for a while. Can it be done? Sure. Can it be done well? Sure. Is it
still inferior to using a mouse? Yes, yes it is.

 

[Lister]

The GC did have nice graphics, but Nintendo realized that they could not
compete so they did not try to. I knew you would say you liked a game with
a unique controller to justify the Wii. Tell me where that Guitar Hero
remote is now?

GH is a bad example, you wouldn't use the guitar as a sword/gun would
you?

 

[Andrew Krieg]

I have seen some games, I am assuming or hoping that they actually get
better by the time of release. I also hope that most of the games don't
come from Nintendo again. Again, this control is something that the people
did not ask for or need. Just because your boss promotes it does not make
it special.

Nintendo made less than 10% of the games released on the GameCube.
That's a far cry from "most".

 

[neil h]

The GC did have nice graphics, but Nintendo realized that they could not
compete so they did not try to. I knew you would say you liked a game with
a unique controller to justify the Wii. Tell me where that Guitar Hero
remote is now?

I still play Guitar Hero on occasions, usually when we have friends
round - it's excellent as a game to pick up and play with no
explanations needed. Guitar Hero 2 looks like it will be a must buy when
it comes out too.

 

[neil h]

GH is a bad example, you wouldn't use the guitar as a sword/gun would
you?

An axe maybe ...

 

[Chris F]

Yeah, but you have to admit that his stupidity is spectacular to the
point of impressiveness.

Choobs

that's it!

he's jade Goody.

 

[Guest]

Where?

Wear. You got me, now comment.

 

[Guest]

Not true. Nintendo has made it very clear that one of their main goals
this generation is to open up gaming to people who currently do not use,
or have limited interest in, traditional gaming consoles. They want to
lower the "barriers to entry" for people who want to try out video games
(and yeah, that includes Nintendo's traditional youth market, who first
come in to the market without preconceptions of how a controller should
work). So obviously the controller has been designed to enable the games
Nintendo wants to make, not the other way around. The fact that it also
gives developers a fresh perspective on old genres, and mainstream and
hard core gamers something new and innovative to try, is a great bonus.


That's always a possibility of course, though I doubt it. I have a
feeling that once you get used to the freestyle design of the new
controller, traditional controllers will feel confined and limiting. Kind
of like playing a free look FPS on the console after playing on the PC
with a mouse for a while. Can it be done? Sure. Can it be done well?
Sure. Is it still inferior to using a mouse? Yes, yes it is.

See, you guys fail to realize that playing through an entire Mario game on
the Wii, people may get tried after a few stages. Once they get used to the
control, they may not like it. Nintendo realizes this and that is why they
put a conventional controller in the box as well. See, even Nintendo is not
100% sure that it will work. In addition to including a conventional
controller, they should have actually made a next-generation system as more
back-up.

 

[El Guapo]

See, you guys fail to realize that playing through an entire Mario game on
the Wii, people may get tried after a few stages.

They may, or they may not. Who knows? A lot will hinge on how the games
are designed.

Once they get used to the control, they may not like it.

On the other hand, they might like it very much.

Nintendo realizes this and that is why they put a conventional controller
in the box as well.

News to me, though I would welcome it. I think it helps to ease people in
and not go too far past their comfort levels to show a standard controller
in the box art, at least at first when you are pitching the console. I
doubt the "shell" controller will be included in the box, though. The retro
controller might make it in, we'll see.

See, even Nintendo is not 100% sure that it will work.

That's certainly not the impression I get. They have been touting the
"shell" controller as something they will make available for developers who
don't want to use the new controller or who think a traditional controller
better fits their game. It's actually nice to finally see that kind of
attitude towards third parties from Nintendo.

Most third parties seem to be committing to using the new controller,
though, so don't be shocked if the shell never makes it out, or sees limited
use.

In addition to including a conventional controller, they should have
actually made a next-generation system as more back-up.

Why? So they can compete head on with Microsoft and Sony in the specs and
graphics market? Do we really need three iterations of the exact same game,
over and over? Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[Guest]

They may, or they may not. Who knows? A lot will hinge on how the games
are designed.


On the other hand, they might like it very much.


News to me, though I would welcome it. I think it helps to ease people in
and not go too far past their comfort levels to show a standard controller
in the box art, at least at first when you are pitching the console. I
doubt the "shell" controller will be included in the box, though. The
retro controller might make it in, we'll see.


That's certainly not the impression I get. They have been touting the
"shell" controller as something they will make available for developers
who don't want to use the new controller or who think a traditional
controller better fits their game. It's actually nice to finally see that
kind of attitude towards third parties from Nintendo.

Most third parties seem to be committing to using the new controller,
though, so don't be shocked if the shell never makes it out, or sees
limited use.


Why? So they can compete head on with Microsoft and Sony in the specs and
graphics market? Do we really need three iterations of the exact same
game, over and over? Thanks, but no thanks.

Enjoy your Wii. As I play my boy's 360, I like the Madden, even though I
can see it is the same engine with flashier graphics - I still like those
type of graphics. Even something like a tennis game which many think is
boring, until they play is a stunner. Imagine what happens when they master
the thing?

 

[Chris F]

Enjoy your Wii. As I play my boy's 360, I like the Madden, even though I
can see it is the same engine with flashier graphics - I still like those
type of graphics. Even something like a tennis game which many think is
boring, until they play is a stunner. Imagine what happens when they master
the thing?

they wish they were playing it on the wii and actually swinging the
controller instead of pressing a button?

you must admit that he hit the nail on the head when he said there's
no need for us to have 3 iterations of the same game, just on
different systems. at least this time round nintendo are offering the
developers and the public something different.

if it works, fantastic, if it doesn't, at least it was worth a try.

 

[El Guapo]

Enjoy your Wii. As I play my boy's 360, I like the Madden, even though I
can see it is the same engine with flashier graphics - I still like those
type of graphics. Even something like a tennis game which many think is
boring, until they play is a stunner. Imagine what happens when they
master the thing?

Hey, even Microsoft says the Wii is a great complement to the 360. So why
not have both? Why, Microsoft is so sure that the Wii is going to be a big
success that one of their European execs publicly wondered whether or not
Nintendo would be able to manufacture enough units to meet the demand.

 

[Guest]

they wish they were playing it on the wii and actually swinging the
controller instead of pressing a button?

you must admit that he hit the nail on the head when he said there's
no need for us to have 3 iterations of the same game, just on
different systems. at least this time round nintendo are offering the
developers and the public something different.

if it works, fantastic, if it doesn't, at least it was worth a try.
--

They are not really offering something different, they are offering that
same machine with a different type of controller. Similar types have been
tried before in the past and have only had limited lasting power. Any
iteration of a game on the Wii will instantly remind gamers of the last
generation while the 360 and PS3 will look like the future.

 

[Guest]

Hey, even Microsoft says the Wii is a great complement to the 360. So why
not have both? Why, Microsoft is so sure that the Wii is going to be a
big success that one of their European execs publicly wondered whether or
not Nintendo would be able to manufacture enough units to meet the demand.

That is just BS to try and topple Sony. MS came out with an Xbox that
managed to take the #2 spot in systems while Nintendo had to settle for last
place. Not good when a new jack comes along and does that. MS knows that
once Sony falls, Nintendo will be even more laughable as comp.

 

[GMAN]

Hey, even Microsoft says the Wii is a great complement to the 360. So why
not have both? Why, Microsoft is so sure that the Wii is going to be a big
success that one of their European execs publicly wondered whether or not
Nintendo would be able to manufacture enough units to meet the demand.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[erics]

They are not really offering something different, they are offering that
same machine with a DIFFERENT type of controller.

So they are offering something different then - you even said so yourself!

*plonk*

 

[Chris F]

They are not really offering something different, they are offering that
same machine with a different type of controller. Similar types have been
tried before in the past and have only had limited lasting power. Any
iteration of a game on the Wii will instantly remind gamers of the last
generation while the 360 and PS3 will look like the future.

how can it be the same machine with different components, pray tell?

just because it isn't as powerful as the PS3 and 360 doesn't mean it
isn't more powerful than the gamecube, which it is.

yes, similar idea's have been tried in the past, but not in such a
manner.

if anything, it is the PS3's controller which is using past failed
ideas, as they are just ripping off MS's old sidewinder pad, whereas
nintendo's controller offers full spacial recognition.

 

[Stabby Rip Stab Stab]

So according to this, the Wii is just a Gamecube overclocked by 50% with a
new controller?

If you really believe that the clock speed is all that matters, maybe