unused D-Drive

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timOleary

Windows XP pro SP22 WD 250G hdds

My 250G WD Sata D-drive is not being used but it has about 20 gigs on
it according to Properties.
MSOcache
RECYCLER
SYSTEM VOLUME INFORMATION
pagefile.sys
I do not know what theses files are

I want to clean it out and use it. what's the best way?
 
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Shenan Stanley

timOleary said:
Windows XP pro SP22 WD 250G hdds

My 250G WD Sata D-drive is not being used but it has about 20 gigs
on it according to Properties.
MSOcache
RECYCLER
SYSTEM VOLUME INFORMATION
pagefile.sys
I do not know what theses files are

I want to clean it out and use it. what's the best way?

You should want to do some research and figure out what it is you are
asking. ;-)

Do you need that 20GB out of the 250GB? Are you using the 212GB or so above
and beyond the 20GB you seem concerned with? If so - what is your backup
plan and are you actively using the space? If you are actively using that
space - what for exactly - as there is likely a better performing and safer
way that putting everything on one drive (eggs in one basket...)

Now is a great time to point you to one of the easiest ways to find
information on problems you may be having and solutions others have found:

Search using Google!
http://www.google.com/
(How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )

MSOcache - office files - installation.
RECYCLER - just what it sounds like - your recycle bin.
System Volume Information - your system restore points.
pagefile.sys - your swap file, on-disk memory.

If you believe you need space - time to read up a little and optimize what
you have. If you cannot, time to answer some of the original questions and
see what hardware you should purchase to make things work a little better
for you. In any case- the backups question is an important one (that you do
it and how you do it..)

Anyway - you should free up a lot more space by moving *your* stuff
elsewhere. ;-)

Download/install this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301

After installing, do the following:

Start button --> RUN --> type in:
"%ProgramFiles%\Windows Installer Clean Up\msizap.exe" g!
--> Click OK.

(The quotation marks and percentage signs and spacing should be exact.)

If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the
uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed...
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm
( Particularly of interest here - #4 )
( Alternative: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm )

You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your
latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files"..

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you don't use it..

When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's
memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys
file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you
don't use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows
uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps:

- Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings,
Control Panel, and click Power Options).
- Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then
click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the
"System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab doesn't delete the
hiberfil.sys file.
- Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes
tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file.

You can control how much space your System Restore can use...

1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
2. Click the System Restore tab.
3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on
the "Settings" button.
4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving
the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...)
5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again.

You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize...

Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 64MB and 128MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.

You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
temporary files and use that to get rid of those:

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Other ways to free up space..

SequoiaView
http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/

JDiskReport
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html

Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.

In the end - a standard Windows XP installation with all sorts of extras
will not likely be above about 4.5GB to 9GB in size. If you have more space
than that (likely do on a modern machine) and most of it seems to be used -
likely you need to move *your stuff* off and/or find a better way to manage
it.

Come back - let everyone in on what you find out/need/want. Remember -
archived indefintely - so if you do come back - it will help you and others
for years to come.
 
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Twayne

timOleary said:
Windows XP pro SP22 WD 250G hdds

My 250G WD Sata D-drive is not being used but it has about 20 gigs on
it according to Properties.
MSOcache
RECYCLER
SYSTEM VOLUME INFORMATION
pagefile.sys
I do not know what theses files are

I want to clean it out and use it. what's the best way?

Those might be normal files since you say it's installed (by calling it
drive D). Recycler is your recycle bin and system volume information is
System REstore points for that drive, which might make sense if pagefile
is actually set to exist of drive D.
Perhaps this is a properly installed drive but you've simply never
used it for any data? Except for MSO... and pagefile.sys you'll get
those on all drives and sometimes pagefile.sys too.

If that's not the case:
Go ahead and reformat the drive if you want to be sure you stsart from
scratch. Or you could delete them but you'll have some problems with
two of them. Recycler and System Volume Info cannot be deleted; they
would either just come right back or it might cause problems with the
computer if they're needed.
If this was a drive that was just sitting around and you put it inthe
computer, then reformat it for sure. Nothing on it's going to be useful
unless you want some of the data on it.

NOTE: Before formatting, take a look at you pagefile settings (Under
Virtual Memory) and make sure it's not set to use the drive you're about
to format.

HTH,

Twayne`
 
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Don Phillipson

Windows XP pro SP22 WD 250G hdds

My 250G WD Sata D-drive is not being used but it has about 20 gigs on
it according to Properties.
MSOcache
RECYCLER
SYSTEM VOLUME INFORMATION
pagefile.sys
I do not know what theses files are

I want to clean it out and use it. what's the best way?

You have 230 Gb free space on D:\ Go ahead and use it.
Current drive contents are:
MSOcache ; cache = temporary file contents
pagefile.sys ; = WindowsXP swap file (temporary)
RECYCLER ; deleted files available to undelete if you change
your mind: all drives have this
SYSTEM VOLUME INFORMATION ; technical data; all NTFS drives have
this.

If in doubt, you can reformat D: beforehand (and possibly repartition
it into two smaller drives D: and E:) Windows Help explains this.
 
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Nepatsfan

timOleary said:
Windows XP pro SP22 WD 250G hdds

My 250G WD Sata D-drive is not being used but it has about 20 gigs on
it according to Properties.
MSOcache
RECYCLER
SYSTEM VOLUME INFORMATION
pagefile.sys
I do not know what theses files are

I want to clean it out and use it. what's the best way?


To add to the advice the other responders have offered, if this D drive is
only used to store data then you can safely turn off System Restore for D
through Control Panel/ System Properties/ System Restore. System Restore
does not monitor your personal data, only system files.

Just out of curiosity, how did you manage to get Service Pack 22 installed
on your computer? Where can I download SP22, and can I safely skip Service
Packs 4 through 21? Just kidding :)

Good luck

Nepatsfan
 
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timOleary

To add to the advice the other responders have offered, if this D drive is
only used to store data then you can safely turn off System Restore for D
through Control Panel/ System Properties/ System Restore. System Restore
does not monitor your personal data, only system files.

Just out of curiosity, how did you manage to get Service Pack 22 installed
on your computer? Where can I download SP22, and can I safely skip Service
Packs 4 through 21? Just kidding :)

Good luck

Nepatsfan

thanks for the thoughtful responses.
When I first 'built' the PC I put in both drives, but never used the
D.
I now want to use it as my data file, to support the apps on the C
drive.

Maybe I started to copy my external USB drive which is my primary data
storage drive over to D, but it never finished, so that data doesn't
matter its on my external drive and I will archive everything at
once.

And I created a swap file on D. That's optional because it didn't
speed up my system enough for me to notice.I can reset that to stay on
C.
I imagine if I just reformatted the D drive without reallocating the
swap, windows might not run correctly.
<>
As a matter of fact. I never was able to download SP3 successfully. So
I am stuck with SP2.
thanks again
 
D

DL

If you reset your swap to windows managed on C, then reformat D
If sp3 is not being successfully installed via MSUpdate then something is
wrong with your sys, probably drivers

To add to the advice the other responders have offered, if this D drive is
only used to store data then you can safely turn off System Restore for D
through Control Panel/ System Properties/ System Restore. System Restore
does not monitor your personal data, only system files.

Just out of curiosity, how did you manage to get Service Pack 22 installed
on your computer? Where can I download SP22, and can I safely skip Service
Packs 4 through 21? Just kidding :)

Good luck

Nepatsfan

thanks for the thoughtful responses.
When I first 'built' the PC I put in both drives, but never used the
D.
I now want to use it as my data file, to support the apps on the C
drive.

Maybe I started to copy my external USB drive which is my primary data
storage drive over to D, but it never finished, so that data doesn't
matter its on my external drive and I will archive everything at
once.

And I created a swap file on D. That's optional because it didn't
speed up my system enough for me to notice.I can reset that to stay on
C.
I imagine if I just reformatted the D drive without reallocating the
swap, windows might not run correctly.
<>
As a matter of fact. I never was able to download SP3 successfully. So
I am stuck with SP2.
thanks again
 
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Nepatsfan

thanks for the thoughtful responses.
When I first 'built' the PC I put in both drives, but never used the
D.
I now want to use it as my data file, to support the apps on the C
drive.
Maybe I started to copy my external USB drive which is my primary data
storage drive over to D, but it never finished, so that data doesn't
matter its on my external drive and I will archive everything at
once.
And I created a swap file on D. That's optional because it didn't
speed up my system enough for me to notice.I can reset that to stay on
C.
I imagine if I just reformatted the D drive without reallocating the
swap, windows might not run correctly.
<>
As a matter of fact. I never was able to download SP3 successfully. So
I am stuck with SP2.
thanks again

You might want to relocate your swap file to the C drive first before
formatting your D drive. I think you'll find that if you don't, Windows will
simply recreate the swap file on your D drive. As I mentioned earlier, since
D will only contain data, you should turn off monitoring of this drive by
System Restore. SR will not help when it comes to recreating your data.

Once that was done, here's how I'd proceed. Relocate all your data from the
external USB drive to your D drive. Obtain an imaging program such as
Acronis True Image, Norton Ghost, etc. Use this program to create an image
file of at least your C drive and store it on your external USB drive. If
the USB drive has enough capacity, create an image of your D drive and store
it there as well. Do this on a regular basis. Your system will be configured
as follows; C - Operating system and programs, D - Data, USB drive - Backup
images. Bottom line, use the external hard drive as a backup location.

Nepatsfan
 
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Gerry

Tim

Relocating files.

You can generate more space in the system partition by relocation of
folders.

For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet
Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder.

To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express
Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change.
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm

How to Change the Default Location of the My Documents Folder:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310147

You may also need to change Default File locations in the Microsoft
Office programmes you choose to move the My Documents folder. For Word
go to Tools, Options, File Locations, highlight Documents, click on
Modify and change file path. For Excel go to Tools, Options, General
and change default file path.

My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders
including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated
using TweakUi. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to
see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change
Location button.

You can move programmes but to do this you have to uninstall and
reinstall.


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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timOleary

Tim

Relocating files.

You can generate more space in the system partition by relocation of
folders.

For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet
Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder.

To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express
Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change.http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm

How to Change the Default Location of the My Documents Folder:http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310147

You may also need to change Default File locations in the Microsoft
Office programmes you choose to move the My Documents folder. For Word
go to Tools, Options, File Locations, highlight Documents, click on
Modify and change file path. For Excel go to Tools, Options, General
and change default file path.

My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders
including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated
using TweakUi. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from here:http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to
see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change
Location button.

You can move programmes but to do this you have to uninstall and
reinstall.

--

Hope  this helps.

Gerry
 ~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I do not uses any of the "My" folders.
Maybe that is a mistake
I already have moved my Tbird profile onto the external USB a couple
of years ago when a C drive fried. But until I get this sorted out, I
am still almost just as vulnerable
Got to obtain Acronis first.
Thanks for all the direction
 

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