Unlicensed XP - but it's not my fault!

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nicandal said:
Carey wrote:




Did you even read my full post? Do you have an ounce of sympathy for my
situation?

Also I find the phrase "non-HP motherboard" strange, since I installed
another MSI board very similar to the one I took out. HP don't make
motherboards AFAIK.

Yes, I installed a pirate copy as a stopgap, while I argued with HP.
Your use of the scare quotes and two other scary words are clearly an
attempt to frighten me into paying twice for your operating system. Do
you have no shame?
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What is there to sympathize? First, the version of Windows XP
that came with the HP machine was heavily discounted whilst the
retail version is not. Second, when the motherboard failed, a
pirated version of Windows XP was installed whilst it would have
been normal to have HP repair or replace the motherboard and also
to reload a legitimate copy of XP. Or, alternately, for the user
to have bought a replacement non-HP motherboard together with a
discounted version of Windows XP. Justice has been served.
 
Leythos said:
You only have one option to get past this, purchase a full OEM copy or a
full retail copy, the one you have no is no longer valid for the machine
it's installed on.
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LOL, listen to Leythos...

"You only have one option, to shove your head up Bill Gate$ arse until
he has shat enough on, in, and through your head to ensure you are fully
MicroBorg Brainwashed into paying full price for a full retail copy!"
 
LOL, there is a good chance if they explain the situation that it won't
be validated. They are better off not explaining it and just saying that
they replaced a video card.
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Are you advising him to lie?
 
Leythos said:
You know, as well as anyone that's followed the arguments, that the
SBL
rules changed about 4 months ago - the OP would still be under the
licensing agreement where the old SBL stated Motherboard.
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LOL! Then quote the EULA.
If it works.
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It does every time I've done it.

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nicandal said:
Did you even read my full post? Do you have an ounce of sympathy for
my situation?

Also I find the phrase "non-HP motherboard" strange, since I installed
another MSI board very similar to the one I took out. HP don't make
motherboards AFAIK.

Yes, I installed a pirate copy as a stopgap, while I argued with HP.
Your use of the scare quotes and two other scary words are clearly an
attempt to frighten me into paying twice for your operating system. Do
you have no shame?
Click to expand...

You are being gangbanged by the MicroSycophants. Ignore them, as all
they can sympathize with is a soulless convicted predatory monopoly.

These are the nuts that would choose the blue pill to stay in the
Matrix.

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Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
You are being gangbanged by the MicroSycophants. Ignore them, as all
they can sympathize with is a soulless convicted predatory monopoly.

These are the nuts that would choose the blue pill to stay in the
Matrix.
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Wow! Congrats, you're my first author killfile entry for
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.
 
nicandal said:
Did you even read my full post? Do you have an ounce of sympathy for my
situation?

Also I find the phrase "non-HP motherboard" strange, since I installed
another MSI board very similar to the one I took out. HP don't make
motherboards AFAIK.

Yes, I installed a pirate copy as a stopgap, while I argued with HP.
Your use of the scare quotes and two other scary words are clearly an
attempt to frighten me into paying twice for your operating system. Do
you have no shame?
Click to expand...

Most MVPs are volunteers who come here to help people. they don't get a
cent (or shilling) from your Windows XP purchase. It's inconsiderate to
blame them for Microsoft's and HP's policies, since their opinions have
no more influence than yours.

It's common for name brand computer manufacturers to include recovery
disks (or hidden recovery partitions) coded to refuse installation on
hardware other than what you originally bought. Some recovery disks even
erase the existing files on the hard drive so phone support operators
can direct customers to reestablish a known software and data
configuration on their computer. This tactic isn't always compatible
with a substitute model of motherboard, even if the media permitted the
installation. Theoretically it reduces support costs so the manufacturer
can afford a more competitive sale price.

I would be surprised if the product key attached to one of those
machines would work with installation code on generic OEM Windows
installation media. That's a limitation that goes along with the
discount OS license.

Basicly: you should have bought a new generic OEM license with the
replacement motherboard. That MIGHT have been unnecessary if you had
made arrangements to obtain the replacement motherboard from HP.
 
steam3801 said:
Wow! Congrats, you're my first author killfile entry for
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.
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LOL! Killfiles are for those that lack self-control, and need to rely
on technology to control their actions.

Welcome to the Matrix, Coppertop.

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And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
RobertVA said:
Most MVPs are volunteers who come here to help people. they don't get
a cent (or shilling) from your Windows XP purchase. It's
inconsiderate to blame them for Microsoft's and HP's policies, since
their opinions have no more influence than yours.

It's common for name brand computer manufacturers to include recovery
disks (or hidden recovery partitions) coded to refuse installation on
hardware other than what you originally bought. Some recovery disks
even erase the existing files on the hard drive so phone support
operators can direct customers to reestablish a known software and
data configuration on their computer. This tactic isn't always
compatible with a substitute model of motherboard, even if the media
permitted the installation. Theoretically it reduces support costs so
the manufacturer can afford a more competitive sale price.

I would be surprised if the product key attached to one of those
machines would work with installation code on generic OEM Windows
installation media. That's a limitation that goes along with the
discount OS license.

Basicly: you should have bought a new generic OEM license with the
replacement motherboard. That MIGHT have been unnecessary if you had
made arrangements to obtain the replacement motherboard from HP.
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Every Major OEM Product Key has worked with generic OEM media that I've
tried.

Suprise, suprise, Gomer!

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Kurt Kirsch
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"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
Wrong question. It's "Do you have no sense?" directed to you, not Carey.
"Similar", as you found out, doesn't cut it.
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Well it's got personal, like I expected. Ah well, it was worth a try.
Thanks for nothing.
Incidentally, I'm intrigued - what would you have done? Since you
clearly have a monopoly on sense.
 
What is there to sympathize? First, the version of Windows XP
that came with the HP machine was heavily discounted whilst the
retail version is not. Second, when the motherboard failed, a
pirated version of Windows XP was installed whilst it would have
been normal to have HP repair or replace the motherboard and also
to reload a legitimate copy of XP. Or, alternately, for the user
to have bought a replacement non-HP motherboard together with a
discounted version of Windows XP. Justice has been served.
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heh heh. You think you're Judge Dredd? Did typing that get you off?
Listen to youself you superior twit. This is a home PC operating system
license debate, not the United Nations Council on Human Rights.

HP refused to repair or replace the motherboard and refused to supply a
legit copy of XP. I take it you skimmed over my OP in your haste to get
some drooling in for the MVPs.

"Heavily discounted" - like I should care? Oh I see, I should be saying
"No, don't discount it for me, let me pay full price lest I
accidentally fry my motherboard 18 months from now".
 
Most MVPs are volunteers who come here to help people. they don't get a
cent (or shilling)
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We haven't used shillings since 1971.
from your Windows XP purchase. It's inconsiderate to
blame them for Microsoft's and HP's policies, since their opinions have
no more influence than yours.
Click to expand...

You mean I sit there and take that crap? OK.
Basicly: you should have bought a new generic OEM license with the
replacement motherboard. That MIGHT have been unnecessary if you had
made arrangements to obtain the replacement motherboard from HP.
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As I've now said ad-nauseum, HP were totally unhelpful. Thanks anyway.
 
You are being gangbanged by the MicroSycophants. Ignore them, as all
they can sympathize with is a soulless convicted predatory monopoly.

These are the nuts that would choose the blue pill to stay in the
Matrix.
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Thanks - if you weren't here I'd think it was just me!
 
steam3801 said:
Reading your responses, I simply can't imagine why ......!
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LOL! A MicroSycophant that doesn't have an imagination! That's just
par for the course!

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steam3801 said:
Reading your responses, I simply can't imagine why ......!
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Let's see now, I was told the following.....

Do you have no sense?
The shame is on you
Justice has been served.

and very few people were helpful at all. I thought I was fairly
restrained in the circs.

Anyway, I'm still confused at the relationships between an install CD,
the COA, product code and key. Can anyone point me at a primer?
 
nicandal said:
Let's see now, I was told the following.....

Do you have no sense?
The shame is on you
Justice has been served.

and very few people were helpful at all. I thought I was fairly
restrained in the circs.

Anyway, I'm still confused at the relationships between an install CD,
the COA, product code and key. Can anyone point me at a primer?
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Specifically, can I downgrade to XP Home on the fly? With a repair
install from an OEM disk? Cos I can get a genuine copy of that for £60.
 
nicandal said:
Specifically, can I downgrade to XP Home on the fly? With a repair
install from an OEM disk? Cos I can get a genuine copy of that for
£60.
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No. You would need to do a clean install.

Why are you looking to buy another copy? Is your present install not
working?

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And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
nicandal said:
Anyway, I'm still confused at the relationships between an install CD,
the COA, product code and key. Can anyone point me at a primer?
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The Product *Key* is a 25-character alphanumeric (such as
12AB3-C45DE-6FG8H-7IJ90-L2M3N, although, in reality, the "1," "I," "0,"
and "O" are never used) code required to be entered during installation
of the product to demonstrate the possession of a valid license, and is
either stored on the CD packaging on a bright orange sticker that says
"Do not lose this number," or is on a CoA label affixed to an OEM computer.

Product Keys are bound to the specific type and language of CD and/or
license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with which they are
purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't work for any
retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP Pro, and vice
versa. An upgrade's Product Key cannot be used with a full version CD,
and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to install a retail
product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an English CD. Bottom
line: Product Keys and CD types cannot be mixed & matched.


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nicandal said:
Specifically, can I downgrade to XP Home on the fly?
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The only way to change from WinXP Pro to WinXP Home is to format
the drive and start over. There is no supported downgrade path or
technique.

After backing up any data you wish to preserve, simply boot from
the WinXP Home installation CD. You'll be offered the opportunity to
delete, create, and format partitions as part of the installation
process. (You may need to re-arrange the order of boot devices in the
PC's BIOS to boot from the CD.)

HOW TO Install Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;316941

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

With a repair
install from an OEM disk? Cos I can get a genuine copy of that for £60.
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Yes, an OEM version of WinXP Pro would work for this, but I don't think
it can be done with WinXP Home. Perhaps someone whose tried will see
this question and provide a definitive answer.



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